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Syracuse Basketball Drug Test Report: So This Isn't Actually That Big A Deal, Is It?

Now that we've had some time to process the information in the Yahoo! Sports report and find out what else is going on, it turns out this isn't the massive program-destroyer that it was posited as.

The report hit and we heard things like "lack of institutional control" and comparisons to the Baylor Scandal, which by the way, involved a murder.

Then DOCTOR Gross came out and said the school has already self-reported these violations to the NCAA ("We self-report constantly").

Not only that, but the Daily Orange notes that the NCAA released a statement, saying "Syracuse University appropriately self-reported possible violations to the NCAA several months ago and we currently have an ongoing investigation."

And Gross told the Post-Standard that SU's self-report to the NCAA was "years ago."

You can add the fact that no current player is a part of this investigation and breathe easy on that.


Related: Syracuse Basketball Program Repeatedly Violated Drug Tests, According To Report

Jake Crouthamel told the D.O. that he knew of several failed drug tests during his time as athletic director, but in those cases the players did not practice or play after failing (He was unaware of the Yahoo! report).

As for this drug policy that Syracuse has and must enforce, this is a whole can of worms. You're not required to have one by the NCAA, but if you do, then you have to enforce it. Brett McMurphy shared this list of school policies and they vary greatly depending on the school.

All of this boils down to...Syracuse should have followed it's own policies, it didn't, it will get its hand slapped (hopefully) and then new, stricter policies will be put into place by either the school or the NCAA moving forward.

Here's my video report on the, uh, report.

Now, this isn't to say that SU is out of danger here. The school may have been playing ineligible players after they should have been suspended. And if that's the case, in theory, games could be forfeited. And remember, this era includes the 2003 National Title season. So...it's dicey.

What's more interesting to me is the timing of all this. Now I don't want to get all conspiracy theory but while the timing of the report is interesting (day before Big East Tournament), it's when the investigation began that I'm most curious about. Robinson and Forde say this was a three-month report, which means they likely started it in December. Late December was just as the Bernie Fine Saga was starting to die down.

So the question becomes, is there a relationship between this story and the Bernie Fine story? Is this a payback shot from someone wronged? Is this a leverage attempt by someone with a financial interest? Or is this just the result of reporters digging around based on the initial story and finding out a brand new angle?

And a note on Pat Forde. I said in my initial post that I don't like the idea of him being involved with this. I think it speaks to a bigger issue, which is that Forde spends most of his time as a columnist, trading in opinion. He made his opinion of Jim Boeheim crystal clear in November. So for him to then engage in an investigative report on Boeheim and the man's program, it's impossible (for me) to separate the two entities and know for sure that Forde's intentions are pure. Either you're a journalist or you're a columnist (with rare exception). Maybe I'm just not trusting of many in the media anymore, but, it is what it is.

And so the weirdest season in the history of Syracuse basketball rolls on...

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NCAA Rules

Don’t even require that the university test for recreational drugs. Each school has its own policies. Furthermore, the policies at most schools are not strictly enforced and testing is a joke. Simply ask any current or former Division I athlete (in any sport) and they will tell you the same. This story will be dead in 72 hours tops.

The Sun Never Sets On The Orange Empire

by orangeman77 on Mar 5, 2012 9:14 PM EST reply actions  

Actually this can lead to NCAA sanctions

I forget what the precise term is, but the essence is that by willfully violating internal policies repeatedly the NCAA can step in and sanction an institution. It’s not lack of institutional control, but it’s along those lines.

As for everyone doing it, that may well be, but if you get caught with your hand in the cookie jar often enough someone’s going to slam the lid down on your fingers.

We will not rest until we see these capitalist octopuses annihilated.

-Che Marrone

by jpb531 on Mar 5, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Camera Man Intership

Dude…Your camera guy sucks. It’s all shaky and it almost looks like you’re holding the camera.

You make a GREAT POINT, Sean, when you mention that Forde can’t be BOTH a colunmist AND an investigative reporter. Well done, sir.

by Cooper's Dad on Mar 5, 2012 9:14 PM EST reply actions  

I'm going to fire him.

He is the worst.

Troy Nunes Is An Absolute Magician - The Syracuse blog that cares.

If you've got time, buy my book "How To Grow An Orange", visit SeanKeeley.com and follow me on Twitter and Facebook.

by Sean Keeley on Mar 5, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

buy a tripod?

"We don't lose hat and t-shirt games" - Tedy Bruschi

by chrisbee13 on Mar 5, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

So you're saying..

Hopkins and Davis were high while having a 3 way with Mrs. Fine. Now everything in clear.

The Hoyas shuffled off with their twin cocktails of discontent - Dana O'neil 2/18/10

by Boscoball on Mar 5, 2012 9:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

THIS

I saw this happen. 1992 was a CRAZY year…

by Cooper's Dad on Mar 5, 2012 9:16 PM EST up reply actions  

"And so the weirdest season in the history of Syracuse basketball rolls on..."

Ya, it’s been a weird one alright, but one of the best too. However, with this new report of supposedly of wrong doing, ESPN and their mouth breathing brethren, now has the credibility of a Syracuse.com poster. But then again, maybe that’s who’s been posting over there lately, ESPN and company.

Life is what you make of it, and mine is all Orange!

by Elitist on Mar 6, 2012 8:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Basically

I don’t care if the NT gets stripped by some backwards organization like the NCAA. Are they going to use one of those MIB red flashy things to erase my memory of the Hakim Warrick block? No? Those things aren’t real? Hmm.

Without Gerry McNamara we wouldn't have won 10 f-- games, not 10

by PoetryInMoten on Mar 5, 2012 9:24 PM EST reply actions  

Sports Illustrated

Levels similar allegations against UCLA in this week’s issue.

by Joe Doherty on Mar 5, 2012 9:36 PM EST reply actions  

"And this is a whole bunch of grass"

ha, made me laugh.

Check out buddynixon.com for more of my work.

by cjf4 on Mar 5, 2012 9:37 PM EST reply actions  

agreed

I “LOL’D” very loudly

by Acera on Mar 5, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Sean Keeley, I love you and want to have your babies

And I can comfortably say that as a heterosexual male. Thank you for posting this last piece tonight so that I can sleep easier’ish. (who can sleep now that the madness is beging tomorrow?)

Too Early For Flap Jacks?

by Benny The Red on Mar 5, 2012 9:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Fair enough.

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If you've got time, buy my book "How To Grow An Orange", visit SeanKeeley.com and follow me on Twitter and Facebook.

by Sean Keeley on Mar 5, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Excellent Points

Sean,

Thanks for keeping things in perspective this year.

SUMB44,

Did you see Stu Scotts ‘Poetry Corner’ on last night’s SC on UK? It proves our collective point of paranoia.

by imisseditnews on Mar 5, 2012 9:40 PM EST reply actions  

Stu Scott Poetry Corner

So basically the set goes to black, an announcer introduces Scott, and he goes into a Slam Poetry reading about how great Kentucky is…that segues into the highlights on the Florida game. While the highlights are running, they have Scott in a double box still on camera reading his poetry on the greatness of UK basketball.

But there’s no media bias against SU at all. None whatsoever.

by imisseditnews on Mar 6, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks

That sounds like the dumbest dumbshit I’ve ever heard of. With Kentucky, Duke, UNC, UConn at the top, ESPN starts a suckfest. With Syracuse at the top, it’s as if they’re just waiting for us to lose. F em

by pegs on Mar 6, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Forde's a muckracking jack-hole

Charles Robinson most certainly is not.

Personally I blame Forde for stirring the post and handing the spoon to Robinson because he’s still irritated at Syracuse for blowing his whole Rutgers/Seton Hall white hot rivalry theory out of the water.

Egg faced fool.

We will not rest until we see these capitalist octopuses annihilated.

-Che Marrone

by jpb531 on Mar 5, 2012 10:01 PM EST reply actions  

Guys, you need to know a little more about Forde.

He has had a business relationship with Rick Pitino, helped him write one of his books. Has had journalistic ethic breaches in the past and was pulled from covering the University of Kentucky while he worked at the Courier Journal in Louisville. He has a personal vendetta against the University of Kentucky and I wouldn’t be surprised if he isn’t doing Pitino a favor in coming after you guys. Pitino is very upset with your leaving the Big East.

Making waves in a sea of blue.

by kywineman on Mar 5, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

my MONEY is on Calipari

Shabazz is looking at UCLA; Noel is looking at Syracuse. Calipari’s frosh five concept crashes & burns if these two go elsewhere…

by supgs on Mar 6, 2012 8:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Ah, Pitino gets over things pretty quickly

He was probably upset for 15 seconds and then just moved on.

http://atlanticcoastconfidential.com/

by ezcuse on Mar 6, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

jack-hole

Dan is that you??? I didn’t know anyone outside of my friend group used that word…

by JB44ever on Mar 6, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

More importantly

ESPNU is running the 6 OT Syracuse/UCONN game right now.

by kd bart on Mar 5, 2012 10:31 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Oh my

Thanks for the heads up

follow me @buffaloexplorer

by riverssyr on Mar 5, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Now that is real reporting.

I was just thinking to myself “Self, is there anything on TV right now that I can watch until 2:30 in the morning?” Thanks to this reporting, I have an answer.

Seriously, the only thing this game is missing is a Cipolla fade away shot from the corner and a clutch John Wallace three with time expiring.

by ElvirFor3 on Mar 5, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I was going to say, "How did I miss this on my Cuse Classics update?"

Then I realized that I never thought to look at ESPNU for games.

Go Cuse!
....And Georgetown still sucks!
CRS/HST '05

by nymetsfan1226 on Mar 5, 2012 11:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's an interesting tidbit...

We play more guys in our rotation this year (10 – yes, I’m including MCW) than we played in that entire 6OT game. (9 – Including a walkon)

Go Cuse!
....And Georgetown still sucks!
CRS/HST '05

by nymetsfan1226 on Mar 6, 2012 1:46 AM EST up reply actions  

odd thing is

I didn’t see this post til 1:52 AM – tuned in with 4:52 left in OT #5…

by dacj501 on Mar 6, 2012 1:52 AM EST up reply actions  

What's funny

is you still came in before I did that night when my cable blacked out for 30 minutes.

Without Gerry McNamara we wouldn't have won 10 f-- games, not 10

by PoetryInMoten on Mar 6, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Best part of that airing right there....

High Definition. ESPN Classic needs to get on that.

Go Cuse!
....And Georgetown still sucks!
CRS/HST '05

by nymetsfan1226 on Mar 6, 2012 2:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Honestly Though

If this is all that Forte mm dick could find after all his digging post Bernie Fine, I think their aren’t as many skeletons in the closet as we feared, or they are reallly well hidden.

On a seperate note, Dgross said the incidents were from 01-04, is there a statute of limitations on these type offenses?

by fatmofo55 on Mar 5, 2012 10:36 PM EST reply actions  

Four years

Unless they play the “loss of institutional control card”

by Mike I. on Mar 5, 2012 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

My theory

is that all these media members hating us is a potential result of getting rejected by newhouse. haters gonna hate, huh?

by ashylarry703 on Mar 5, 2012 10:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

If its a school policy

Then why is the NCAA allowed to vacate wins. Thats like a school principal punishing a kid for breaking a rule his mom has in place for him. A principal isnt allowed to punish a kid for not making his bed. Same idea. The NCAA should have no say in this if its a school policy.

by Collin B on Mar 5, 2012 10:44 PM EST reply actions  

No one with knowledge has said that

We’re all just spitballing. My guess, as uninformed as everyone else’s, is a tighter policy and probation.

by Mike I. on Mar 5, 2012 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

You’re not required to have one by the NCAA, but if you do, then you have to enforce it.

Thats what it sounds like to me. I could be wrong. But youre not required to have one. So if you didnt have that policy and this happened then no big deal. But if you do have it then the NCAA is allowed to start taking away wins if you dont follow it. Doesnt make sense. Conferences should have their own sets of rules, and the NCAA should too. Schools should not be able to be in charge of rules that differ from other schools. Everyone should be on the same level.

by Collin B on Mar 5, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

According to the reports

The NCAA requires that schools adhere to their own policies. This approach makes sense. Drug laws vary so much from state to state, that it would be impractical for the NCAA to try to have a blanket recreational drug policy. So, to avoid any potential legal hangups they say, “We have no drug policy, but if your school has one, you’d better follow it.”

So, no, the NCAA doesn’t really care if student-athletes smoke weed. That they care about is, “lack of institutional control” (i.e. student athletes running amok) and “willful violation” (i.e. coaches/ADs knowing athletes are running amok, and not doing anythign about it). Normally those things usually involve recruiting or extra benefits violations, like if the coach knows an assistant is giving players cream cheese for their bagels and does nothing. But I don’t see why they same couldn’t be applied here.

"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes

by FeloniousPhunk on Mar 6, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Let me see what I can do

Do I have to use modern rap? I grew up in the era of RunDMC, Beastie Boys, LL Cool J, and Public Enemy though.

http://atlanticcoastconfidential.com/

by ezcuse on Mar 6, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Great point on Forde

He really is no different than Mark Schwarz was a few months ago when he made it clear he believed Davis, had a friendship with him for a decade and put him in contact with Tomaselli. Forde has already interjected himself into this. Which is fine as long as you’re not going to pretend to be a “fair investigative journalist” a couple months later.

by cuse2012 on Mar 5, 2012 11:08 PM EST reply actions  

The night the Tomaselli thing was beginning to fall apart

That fucking douche was laughing it up covering LeBron in South Beach. He hasn’t done a single thing on the Fine story since, hasn’t stepped foot in CNY, nothing.

by cuse2012 on Mar 5, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Well given the timing (Gross reporting conduct from Crouthamel's tenure)

It could be self-reporting a cover up.

Also, the article does say there’s a statute of limitations of 4 years for violations, provided they are not “Willful Violators.” I don’t think we know enough to say if it was wilful or not

Lacks knowledge or information sufficient to form a belief

by Rocket Ship Science on Mar 5, 2012 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I withhold judgment on Forde

until everything shakes out. If we did wrong, and wrong enough that it merits punishment, I don’t want to shoot the messenger.

But if it’s a mountain out of a molehill dropped right before the BET, then I’ll hate on him with all the rest.

by Mike I. on Mar 5, 2012 11:25 PM EST reply actions  

No need to withold judgement

Even if he happens to be right, it doesn’t make him not a d-bag.

"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes

by FeloniousPhunk on Mar 6, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Something really confuses me about this story...

College kids do recreational drugs?

Shut up brain or I'll stab you with a Q-tip

by MrPlow99 on Mar 5, 2012 11:58 PM EST reply actions  

I know.

I am just as surprised as you are.

I am shocked, shocked, to find that recreational drugs are being used in college!

Clear eyes, full bologna sandwiches!

by NOLACuse on Mar 6, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

OK, No Reason to freak out.

A.) The report says 10 players since 2000-01. It says this because that is the year this rule was put into effect at Syracuse.

B.) With that being said, it’s totally possible that no one on the Championship team, or before that squad had anything to do with this.

C.) This is Big East Tournament Week. Back in 2008 I was at the B.E.T. and there were rumblings that Paul Harris was being forced out of school early; People knew Flynn was probably going to leave, but word on the street was the University (and Daryl Gross in particular) wanted a clean sweep. I’d bet cold hard cash that these drug accusations have something to do with the “Dynasty” era of Cuse basketball. (Harris, Greene, Flynn, Devo). They sure did often times go out on that court and “die-nasty”.

D.) The report flat-out says they don’t know of anyone on the current squad doing that puff-puff-pass. This team has already played through the Fine fiasco. If anything this will be something for the current players to giggle about for 5 minutes on the bus before getting down to business. This won’t affect them whatsoever.

by Quint Stevenson on Mar 6, 2012 5:04 AM EST reply actions  

correction

meant to type Flynn probably wasn’t going to leave. That’s why you shouldn’t post after rolling over and waking up.

by Quint Stevenson on Mar 6, 2012 7:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Its a smear on the PROGRAM and Coach Boeheim

Out of consideration for COY; and brand SU as a “druggie” program. COY would have been the Phil Knight redemption moment for our Coach this year. And IMO… to put our program in the same sentence with Baylor is slander.

by supgs on Mar 6, 2012 8:44 AM EST up reply actions  

But as you pointed out, this is just a "smear campaign" and nothing more

and when all the dust settles, it will be proven that Syracuse did everything right and one more ESPN reporter/journalist will have gone down in flames for suspect reporting..(hopefully)

Life is what you make of it, and mine is all Orange!

by Elitist on Mar 6, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

to point B

According to MY sources, some members of the 2003 did enjoy some herbal realaxation. But, that doesn’t mean they failed any drug tests.

"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes

by FeloniousPhunk on Mar 6, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Lets Also Not Forget....

That the guys who tested positive could be walk-ons…..they are part of the roster…..

by SpartyCuse on Mar 6, 2012 9:03 AM EST reply actions  

How does that work?

I know that if an inelgible athlete plays in a contest, that contest is forfeited. But what if it’s a walk-on who didn’t play? Or even a scholarship player that just didn’t play? Does the forfeiture take effect simply because that player was suited up as an active member of the roster, or would it only take effect if he played in the game?

"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes

by FeloniousPhunk on Mar 6, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

We're still talking about forfeited wins

But the NCAA doesn’t declare people ineligible for recreational drug use. They can punish us for not following our policy, but if College B would not vacate wins, I don’t think they can make College A do so.

by Mike I. on Mar 6, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

"if College B would not vacate wins, I don’t think they can make College A do so"

Good point. I think we can guage how this is going to go by how the UCLA case is handled. Obviously, it depends on how UCLA’s own drug policy is set up. If they didn’t have one (unlikely), then they’re in the clear as far as the NCAA is concerned. But, assuming they do hav policies in place, if they ignored player drug use and don’t suffer for it, there’s no reason to think Syracuse would. Especially if Syracuse self-reported.

"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes

by FeloniousPhunk on Mar 6, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m not sure we’re testing the walk-ons that often…

'Cuse 2010, Michigan 2012

by Orange22 on Mar 6, 2012 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

At SU I was tested 4 times

always on a Thursday morning, and would get a call at 8-9 PM the night before saying “be at Manley at 6AM. Dont go to the bathroom when you wake up.” Every time it was conducted by someone from an independent lab. We would wait in the training room until we had to go, then go int a bathroom where a guy (or girl for the ladies) would instruct you to drop trou to the ankles and watch you fill up the cup. Then you would bring it back out to the lab people who would cross a random number off the board and put a tamper resistant strip across the top. And that was the end of it. No one ever heard back as to the results unless they were positive (and I dont think anyone I knew ever was). The compliance office was very clear about what would get us in trouble and to bring any questions to them.

Honestly, until the McMurphy’s Law report, I had no idea that the policies varied from school to school (though that makes a lot of sense when I think about athletes at other programs I know). I know guys from 1AA football teams who put the fellas from half baked to shame. Most schools test all sports equally, so a hoops team at a school with BCS football will get tested much more than a Georgetown type school. Then theres D2 and D3 which I know D3 does not test at all so most of those football teams (the good ones at least) are all 5’9" juiced up little white kids. I was at a D3 volleyball party once and all the girls decided to get high, then when they went to pass it my way I passed and said “Thanks but Im a student athlete.”… bitches.

I know we have to enforce our own policies, but if 1st offense at UConn is “no action”, same for UofL, Rutgers, USF, WVU, Duke and UNC…. then this is just bogus

May Doug Marrone bless you and keep you.

by ryanwk628 on Mar 6, 2012 9:14 AM EST reply actions  

lol I remember lots of people had stage fright and had to wait in the "lobby" for another try

I had trouble going myself cause they’re intent on being absolutely certain you’re not cheating.

by crouton on Mar 6, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I just couldnt wake up and not pee

so Id end up drinking Gatorade all morning until I could go again.

May Doug Marrone bless you and keep you.

by ryanwk628 on Mar 6, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

D3

Doesn’t test unless you go to Championships. So basically in 4 years of XC, I didn’t get tested once. And even then, you only get random tested from what I understand.

Without Gerry McNamara we wouldn't have won 10 f-- games, not 10

by PoetryInMoten on Mar 6, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Been watching ESPN all morning

haven’t heard a peep. Either it’s not on their radar(hard to believe) or they don’t think it warrants comment.

by Rich Pageant on Mar 6, 2012 9:19 AM EST reply actions  

It's been the bottom line, but yes, they haven't talked about it, yet.

They may have learned their lesson with the way they handled the Bernie Fine fiasco.

Life is what you make of it, and mine is all Orange!

by Elitist on Mar 6, 2012 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I hate to say it folks, but it is a big deal

first off, great piece Sean (as usual).

I am not going to make myself crazy trying to think about whether there is a conspiracy here, though there are a lot of interesting angles — none of which I believe, but they’re fun to think about if you are a fiction writer.

1) The jilted, revenge-minded conference commissioner pulling some old school Providence mob tactics to drag ’Cuse down in retribution for leaving the conference
2) The influential blue-blood Carolina booster, threatened by the possibility of seeing Syracuse break the stranglehold of Tobacco Road, puts Syracuse “in its place” prior to joining the ACC
3) The slack-jawed ESPN writer who was rejected by Newhouse 20 years ago exacts his revenge at the point when the program is poised to reach the zenith of college basketball
4) The ex-SU AD, still bitter over his loss of influence to a younger, more dashing, and frankly effective man, decides to settle some scores in hopes of taking his legacy down
…I could go on

I don’t know what, if any, agenda is driving this for sure, but what I do believe is that the Bernie Fine story drove serious viewership and public opinion at a time when the program is at its strongest, and media outlets are following the “if there’s smoke” theory of journalism to the letter. ESPN also got some egg on its face the first time around with Fine, so I do think they are working this angle in-part due to save some face, and the other media outlets are going with the story as well.

Regardless of facts or whether the violations make Syracuse Basketball any different than any other of dozens of programs, the fallout is that public opinion is not going to be kind to us, and we need to be prepared for that.

Just as opinion generalized the following:

Bernie Fine = Pedophile (unproven but suspicious), therefore Jim Boeheim = as bad or worse than Joe Paterno (not proven, not likely)

we need to get ready for

Syracuse University = drug taking cheaters therefore Jim Boeheim = as bad or worse than Jim Calhoun AND Joe Paterno; = witch hunt

Even if it isn’t a big deal, it’s a big deal. So put your thick skin on boys and girls. You know, the kind that gets you through a Central New York winter. We’re gonna need it.

by The Invisible Swordsman on Mar 6, 2012 9:30 AM EST reply actions  

I disagree

Any opposing fans/journalists that get worked up over this are blinded by sanctimonious homerism.

by Rich Pageant on Mar 6, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

it's not that simple

Agree with you 100% on the sanctimonious homerism comment…seen any Penn State boards? Boeheim is the anti-christ

I’m not saying that this is going to be a story in the medium or long haul or that the general public is going to get worked up over this, but the lingering afterglow is that there’s just something not quite right about Syracuse University basketball. People generally forget the details and go with their rough understanding of what they have seen or heard. In this case SU had something to do with pedophelia, drugs and lack of institutional control…all bad things.

Look, it may just wind up as nothing more than fodder for some clever and douch-ey Duke student to put on a place card during a mid-week conference game at Cameron in 2014, who knows. But the bottom line is there is a stain on us. It’s not going away. To think otherwise is naive. It just kind of sucks given how much most of us care about the school and program.

by The Invisible Swordsman on Mar 6, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll buy this

I mean, Jim B. doesn’t have a squeaky clean track record. He’s had his run-ins with the NCAA in the past, though nothing major. But for all this to come out in such a relatively short period of time; Fab in court, Bernie, drug accusations, it puts a stain on the program.

"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes

by FeloniousPhunk on Mar 6, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Unless its nothing to be worried about at all?

“The NCAA told ESPN that Syracuse had self-reported the potential violations more than a year ago. "

All the sexiness goes right out of the story with that statement, and with it almost all of the coverage.

The sports entertainment media wants sordid details, institutional coverup and heads to roll for something to be newsworthy, and so far its been robbed of all 3 by Syraucse getting ahead of the story, um literally years in advance.

Essentially, SU scooped Yahoo Sports! (still not convinced Yahoo still exists) and ESPN at the story.

by Pinker on Mar 6, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Dana O’Neil’s tweet here annoys me. If it’s about the policy, that’s one thing. But if it’s about the drugs, there’s a massive double standard in play.

by Mike I. on Mar 6, 2012 10:00 AM EST reply actions  

So Dana O'Neill doesn't want to parent her own kid?

After the age of 13 or so my parents always said “I’d much rather you turn out to be a pothead than an alcoholic”. I’m not telling you to tell your kids to do drugs, Dana, but just because our retarded society (and that is the only way to describe the public sentiment about weed) basis so many opinions in right and left wing fear mongering doesn’t mean you have to tell your kids to buy into it.

by cuse2012 on Mar 6, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

To me, the self reporting is the key

I’m not at all familiar with the NCAA bureaucracy, so I dunno the typical TAT for this type of investigation. But it seems to me like they don’t mess around, especially with a high profile program like Syracuse. If the NCAA is good at anything, it’s making an example of people who think they’re above the rules.

So, to me, if the timeframe is correct in that SU self-reported this a year ago, then I would think that the NCAA would have done something by now if there were anything to do. There has to be records. Player X was sample 1234 which failed a drug test on date Y. This action was or was not taken against player X. This is not a Bobby Davis situation where maybe he was or wasn’t in New Orleans. Everything needed to prove or disprove this is going to be factually recorded somewhere. So, the way I see it, either A) this isn’t true or B) whatever cases are true aren’t serious enough for the NCAA to go apeshit over it. Maybe it was walkons. Maybe it was one fo the many players that left the program (Deshaun Williams, Dayshawn Wright, Louis McCroskey, etc.).

In any case, the point remains. The NCAA doesn’t exactly sit on its hands when it has a chance to vacate wins. They act fast and they’ve done nothing in a year. I’m worried, of course, but not as much as I could be.

"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes

by FeloniousPhunk on Mar 6, 2012 10:06 AM EST reply actions  

Look

In the big picture, a school has to have control over the program. It’s less about the smoking of pot and more about disregarding the school policy for pot with respect to eligibility. If any coach or AD does not like the policy, change it. But once you disregard a policy, you open yourself up to criticism as to how well you are self-policing. Is winning more important than following your own rules? In the end—just do the right thing and you avoid issues. If you sweep a good player’s violation under the rug, that will end up biting you in the arse ultimately.

In the bigger picture, everyone needs to stop worrying so much about perception. Wasn’t Tom Izzo suspended this year? Duke has had violations, right? It will all blow over soon enough.

http://atlanticcoastconfidential.com/

by ezcuse on Mar 6, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Heard Robinson being interviewed

on the radio last night. Said they were in town investigating the Fine scandal and someone told them they should be looking into SU drug infractions instead.

by ruggerpa on Mar 6, 2012 10:16 AM EST reply actions  

Makes sense

http://atlanticcoastconfidential.com/

by ezcuse on Mar 6, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Colin cowherd thinks its a joke of a story.

Didn’t mention anything on Mike & Mike.

I've been involved in a number of cults, both as a leader and a follower. You have more fun as a follower. But you make more money as a leader.

by Fly Rodder on Mar 6, 2012 10:24 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

I just like

how they say it was a 3 month investigation, as if it were Pilitzer prize worthy.

by Piety Hill on Mar 6, 2012 10:57 AM EST reply actions  

No shit

Give me a lead on this story and I’ll have it done in a week or two. The hell did it take you three months for?

by cuse2012 on Mar 6, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

That's kind of my point

About the drug test records. I’m sure that, legally, there are privacy issues and all that, but aside from that, everything in regards to the test results and whatever disciplinary actions were taken based on those results has to be recorded somewhere. And, given the fact that Syracuse apparently self reported, SU would have likely handed over any material they had to the NCAA at the time of reporting. So, again, it’s unlikely that NCAA would have to dig too much that it would take them months to decide if there was enough to hand down penalties.

"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes

by FeloniousPhunk on Mar 6, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

ESPN won't talk about it much

because ESPN did not break the story, If ESPN had broken the story, they would talk it up endlessly.

by kd bart on Mar 6, 2012 11:09 AM EST reply actions  

I just love that

its not ok at SU, but it would be fine and half the other schools out there. Its like the BYU premarital sex thing and if ESPN got up their asses for not reporting it with former players. Its a school rule, not an NCAA rule.

May Doug Marrone bless you and keep you.

by ryanwk628 on Mar 6, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

We need to start a pool for which former SU player told.

I can’t decide whether to put money on Josh Wright or Louie McCroskey.

by M53k on Mar 6, 2012 11:11 AM EST reply actions  

This goes one of two ways...

Either the NCAA will consider this to be a minor issue (that SU has already reported) and consider the matter closed …

or the program will be dismantled and we’ll all be eating s**tsnacks for the rest of the decade.

Nothing to worry about. ;)

by DanteAmore on Mar 6, 2012 11:34 AM EST reply actions  

3 days ago something broke about UCLA.

Three days later………..-crickets-

This is (fingers-crossed) much ado about nada, & will be a footnote by 2morrow.
On Thurs, before we play UConn in the BET, the preamble will be:
“Syracuse has had a year filled w/ distractions, but ended up winning the BE reg season championship”.
Its just not sexy enough of a story to last more than 24-48 hrs.

by VerbalKint on Mar 6, 2012 12:20 PM EST reply actions  

Media spin

This isn’t UCLA, this is vendettas brought to the front. ESPN had this thing going about every 2 minutes on the bottom line. Everyone is running this JB quote about him not knowing anything. But, I think that quote comes about the fact there is a story and not the actual drug tests. But that’s not how it is being sold. The media knows the lifespan of SU is another month (maximum) and this all goes away until next fall when everyone will not care about any of this.

This isn’t coincidental timing. This is a real effort to make Syracuse pay.

by orangetundra on Mar 6, 2012 12:34 PM EST reply actions  

Why does ESPN want Syracuse to pay?

They are going to need to leverage the Syracuse name to justify the additional expense to the ACC. If anything, they are trying to get this stuff out of the way so that the ACC years will be without distraction. But that’s hardly trying to make Syracuse pay.

http://atlanticcoastconfidential.com/

by ezcuse on Mar 6, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

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