Syracuse Basketball Drug Test Report: So This Isn't Actually That Big A Deal, Is It?
Now that we've had some time to process the information in the Yahoo! Sports report and find out what else is going on, it turns out this isn't the massive program-destroyer that it was posited as.
The report hit and we heard things like "lack of institutional control" and comparisons to the Baylor Scandal, which by the way, involved a murder.
Then DOCTOR Gross came out and said the school has already self-reported these violations to the NCAA ("We self-report constantly").
Not only that, but the Daily Orange notes that the NCAA released a statement, saying "Syracuse University appropriately self-reported possible violations to the NCAA several months ago and we currently have an ongoing investigation."
And Gross told the Post-Standard that SU's self-report to the NCAA was "years ago."
You can add the fact that no current player is a part of this investigation and breathe easy on that.
Jake Crouthamel told the D.O. that he knew of several failed drug tests during his time as athletic director, but in those cases the players did not practice or play after failing (He was unaware of the Yahoo! report).
As for this drug policy that Syracuse has and must enforce, this is a whole can of worms. You're not required to have one by the NCAA, but if you do, then you have to enforce it. Brett McMurphy shared this list of school policies and they vary greatly depending on the school.
All of this boils down to...Syracuse should have followed it's own policies, it didn't, it will get its hand slapped (hopefully) and then new, stricter policies will be put into place by either the school or the NCAA moving forward.
Here's my video report on the, uh, report.
Now, this isn't to say that SU is out of danger here. The school may have been playing ineligible players after they should have been suspended. And if that's the case, in theory, games could be forfeited. And remember, this era includes the 2003 National Title season. So...it's dicey.
What's more interesting to me is the timing of all this. Now I don't want to get all conspiracy theory but while the timing of the report is interesting (day before Big East Tournament), it's when the investigation began that I'm most curious about. Robinson and Forde say this was a three-month report, which means they likely started it in December. Late December was just as the Bernie Fine Saga was starting to die down.
So the question becomes, is there a relationship between this story and the Bernie Fine story? Is this a payback shot from someone wronged? Is this a leverage attempt by someone with a financial interest? Or is this just the result of reporters digging around based on the initial story and finding out a brand new angle?
And a note on Pat Forde. I said in my initial post that I don't like the idea of him being involved with this. I think it speaks to a bigger issue, which is that Forde spends most of his time as a columnist, trading in opinion. He made his opinion of Jim Boeheim crystal clear in November. So for him to then engage in an investigative report on Boeheim and the man's program, it's impossible (for me) to separate the two entities and know for sure that Forde's intentions are pure. Either you're a journalist or you're a columnist (with rare exception). Maybe I'm just not trusting of many in the media anymore, but, it is what it is.
And so the weirdest season in the history of Syracuse basketball rolls on...
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NCAA Rules
Don’t even require that the university test for recreational drugs. Each school has its own policies. Furthermore, the policies at most schools are not strictly enforced and testing is a joke. Simply ask any current or former Division I athlete (in any sport) and they will tell you the same. This story will be dead in 72 hours tops.
The Sun Never Sets On The Orange Empire
Actually this can lead to NCAA sanctions
I forget what the precise term is, but the essence is that by willfully violating internal policies repeatedly the NCAA can step in and sanction an institution. It’s not lack of institutional control, but it’s along those lines.
As for everyone doing it, that may well be, but if you get caught with your hand in the cookie jar often enough someone’s going to slam the lid down on your fingers.
We will not rest until we see these capitalist octopuses annihilated.
-Che Marrone
Camera Man Intership
Dude…Your camera guy sucks. It’s all shaky and it almost looks like you’re holding the camera.
You make a GREAT POINT, Sean, when you mention that Forde can’t be BOTH a colunmist AND an investigative reporter. Well done, sir.
I'm going to fire him.
He is the worst.
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So you're saying..
Hopkins and Davis were high while having a 3 way with Mrs. Fine. Now everything in clear.
The Hoyas shuffled off with their twin cocktails of discontent - Dana O'neil 2/18/10
by Boscoball on Mar 5, 2012 9:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions
"And so the weirdest season in the history of Syracuse basketball rolls on..."
Ya, it’s been a weird one alright, but one of the best too. However, with this new report of supposedly of wrong doing, ESPN and their mouth breathing brethren, now has the credibility of a Syracuse.com poster. But then again, maybe that’s who’s been posting over there lately, ESPN and company.
Life is what you make of it, and mine is all Orange!
Basically
I don’t care if the NT gets stripped by some backwards organization like the NCAA. Are they going to use one of those MIB red flashy things to erase my memory of the Hakim Warrick block? No? Those things aren’t real? Hmm.
Without Gerry McNamara we wouldn't have won 10 f-- games, not 10
if anything, if I find out Hak was on weed, I'll be MORE impressed
"We don't lose hat and t-shirt games" - Tedy Bruschi
and people wonder why the Syracuse fan base is angry and paranoid...
Orange you glad it's not football season?
by SUMB44 on Mar 5, 2012 9:29 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Sports Illustrated
Levels similar allegations against UCLA in this week’s issue.
"And this is a whole bunch of grass"
ha, made me laugh.
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Sean Keeley, I love you and want to have your babies
And I can comfortably say that as a heterosexual male. Thank you for posting this last piece tonight so that I can sleep easier’ish. (who can sleep now that the madness is beging tomorrow?)
Too Early For Flap Jacks?
by Benny The Red on Mar 5, 2012 9:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Fair enough.
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Excellent Points
Sean,
Thanks for keeping things in perspective this year.
SUMB44,
Did you see Stu Scotts ‘Poetry Corner’ on last night’s SC on UK? It proves our collective point of paranoia.
Stu Scott Poetry Corner
So basically the set goes to black, an announcer introduces Scott, and he goes into a Slam Poetry reading about how great Kentucky is…that segues into the highlights on the Florida game. While the highlights are running, they have Scott in a double box still on camera reading his poetry on the greatness of UK basketball.
But there’s no media bias against SU at all. None whatsoever.
by imisseditnews on Mar 6, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks
That sounds like the dumbest dumbshit I’ve ever heard of. With Kentucky, Duke, UNC, UConn at the top, ESPN starts a suckfest. With Syracuse at the top, it’s as if they’re just waiting for us to lose. F em
Forde's a muckracking jack-hole
Charles Robinson most certainly is not.
Personally I blame Forde for stirring the post and handing the spoon to Robinson because he’s still irritated at Syracuse for blowing his whole Rutgers/Seton Hall white hot rivalry theory out of the water.
Egg faced fool.
We will not rest until we see these capitalist octopuses annihilated.
-Che Marrone
Guys, you need to know a little more about Forde.
He has had a business relationship with Rick Pitino, helped him write one of his books. Has had journalistic ethic breaches in the past and was pulled from covering the University of Kentucky while he worked at the Courier Journal in Louisville. He has a personal vendetta against the University of Kentucky and I wouldn’t be surprised if he isn’t doing Pitino a favor in coming after you guys. Pitino is very upset with your leaving the Big East.
Making waves in a sea of blue.
Boeheim gave Pitino his first break in the coaching business
It would be a total dirtbag move for Pitino to do this to Cuse.
You’re right, it’s m’fing Pitino!
Well we all know that Pitino is always faithful to the ones who are close to him
Lacks knowledge or information sufficient to form a belief
by Rocket Ship Science on Mar 5, 2012 11:30 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
my MONEY is on Calipari
Shabazz is looking at UCLA; Noel is looking at Syracuse. Calipari’s frosh five concept crashes & burns if these two go elsewhere…
Ah, Pitino gets over things pretty quickly
He was probably upset for 15 seconds and then just moved on.
http://atlanticcoastconfidential.com/
More importantly
ESPNU is running the 6 OT Syracuse/UCONN game right now.
by kd bart on Mar 5, 2012 10:31 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Now that is real reporting.
I was just thinking to myself “Self, is there anything on TV right now that I can watch until 2:30 in the morning?” Thanks to this reporting, I have an answer.
Seriously, the only thing this game is missing is a Cipolla fade away shot from the corner and a clutch John Wallace three with time expiring.
I was going to say, "How did I miss this on my Cuse Classics update?"
Then I realized that I never thought to look at ESPNU for games.
Go Cuse!
....And Georgetown still sucks!
CRS/HST '05
by nymetsfan1226 on Mar 5, 2012 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
Here's an interesting tidbit...
We play more guys in our rotation this year (10 – yes, I’m including MCW) than we played in that entire 6OT game. (9 – Including a walkon)
Go Cuse!
....And Georgetown still sucks!
CRS/HST '05
by nymetsfan1226 on Mar 6, 2012 1:46 AM EST up reply actions
What's funny
is you still came in before I did that night when my cable blacked out for 30 minutes.
Without Gerry McNamara we wouldn't have won 10 f-- games, not 10
by PoetryInMoten on Mar 6, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
Best part of that airing right there....
High Definition. ESPN Classic needs to get on that.
Go Cuse!
....And Georgetown still sucks!
CRS/HST '05
by nymetsfan1226 on Mar 6, 2012 2:29 AM EST up reply actions
Honestly Though
If this is all that Forte mm dick could find after all his digging post Bernie Fine, I think their aren’t as many skeletons in the closet as we feared, or they are reallly well hidden.
On a seperate note, Dgross said the incidents were from 01-04, is there a statute of limitations on these type offenses?
My theory
is that all these media members hating us is a potential result of getting rejected by newhouse. haters gonna hate, huh?
by ashylarry703 on Mar 5, 2012 10:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions
If its a school policy
Then why is the NCAA allowed to vacate wins. Thats like a school principal punishing a kid for breaking a rule his mom has in place for him. A principal isnt allowed to punish a kid for not making his bed. Same idea. The NCAA should have no say in this if its a school policy.
No one with knowledge has said that
We’re all just spitballing. My guess, as uninformed as everyone else’s, is a tighter policy and probation.
You’re not required to have one by the NCAA, but if you do, then you have to enforce it.
Thats what it sounds like to me. I could be wrong. But youre not required to have one. So if you didnt have that policy and this happened then no big deal. But if you do have it then the NCAA is allowed to start taking away wins if you dont follow it. Doesnt make sense. Conferences should have their own sets of rules, and the NCAA should too. Schools should not be able to be in charge of rules that differ from other schools. Everyone should be on the same level.
According to the reports
The NCAA requires that schools adhere to their own policies. This approach makes sense. Drug laws vary so much from state to state, that it would be impractical for the NCAA to try to have a blanket recreational drug policy. So, to avoid any potential legal hangups they say, “We have no drug policy, but if your school has one, you’d better follow it.”
So, no, the NCAA doesn’t really care if student-athletes smoke weed. That they care about is, “lack of institutional control” (i.e. student athletes running amok) and “willful violation” (i.e. coaches/ADs knowing athletes are running amok, and not doing anythign about it). Normally those things usually involve recruiting or extra benefits violations, like if the coach knows an assistant is giving players cream cheese for their bagels and does nothing. But I don’t see why they same couldn’t be applied here.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Mar 6, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
Where is ezcuse and his rhymin capabilities?
I want a cover of Afroman’s “Because I Got High”….
Can this be the 2012 Rap song we’ve all been waiting for?
I can start us out:
I was gonna beat Vermont, until I got high.
I was gonna beat Bama in the sweet sixteen, then I got high.
My team flamed out in the tourney in 04 and 05, and I know why (“Why man?”)
Because I got high, because I got high, because I got high.
(La da da da da da da da da)
Damn I love that song….
I stopped questioning Boeheim's basketball decisions on April 7th, 2003.
by ex-Townie on Mar 5, 2012 10:55 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Let me see what I can do
Do I have to use modern rap? I grew up in the era of RunDMC, Beastie Boys, LL Cool J, and Public Enemy though.
http://atlanticcoastconfidential.com/
How about something a little more classic rock oriented?
To the tune of Mother’s Little Helper by the Rolling Stones…
What a drag it is getting old.
“Playin’ is different today,”
I hear ev’ry Senior say
A player needs something today to calm him down
And though he’s not in any pain
There’s a little Mary Jane
He goes running for the shelter of the player’s little helper
And it helps him on his way, gets him through his college day.
“Playin’ is different today,”
I hear ev’ry Senior say
Running drills for the coach is just a drag
He goes running for the shelter of a players’s little helper
And to help him on his way, get him through his busy day.
Dealer, please, some more of these
Outside the Dome, while walking home
What a drag it is getting old.
“The game just aint the same today,”
I hear ev’ry alumnus say
Coach just don’t appreciate that you get stressed
The fans are so hard to satisfy. You can tranquilize your mind
So go running for the shelter of a player’s little helper
And a toke will help you through the night, help to minimize your plight.
Dealer, please, some more of these
Outside the Dome, while walking home
What a drag it is getting old.
“Playin’ is just much too hard today,”
I hear ev’ry Senior say
Practice and classes just seem a bore,
The fans and blogs make you sore, so you toke a little more
More running to the shelter of a player’s little helper
It just helps you on your way through your busy college day….
http://atlanticcoastconfidential.com/
by ezcuse on Mar 6, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Great point on Forde
He really is no different than Mark Schwarz was a few months ago when he made it clear he believed Davis, had a friendship with him for a decade and put him in contact with Tomaselli. Forde has already interjected himself into this. Which is fine as long as you’re not going to pretend to be a “fair investigative journalist” a couple months later.
Schwarz was reporting from miami for the heat/knicks game before the all star game
You keep chanting one more year, I thought college was four years
by PointBlankPeriodPeriod on Mar 5, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
The night the Tomaselli thing was beginning to fall apart
That fucking douche was laughing it up covering LeBron in South Beach. He hasn’t done a single thing on the Fine story since, hasn’t stepped foot in CNY, nothing.
Well given the timing (Gross reporting conduct from Crouthamel's tenure)
It could be self-reporting a cover up.
Also, the article does say there’s a statute of limitations of 4 years for violations, provided they are not “Willful Violators.” I don’t think we know enough to say if it was wilful or not
Lacks knowledge or information sufficient to form a belief
by Rocket Ship Science on Mar 5, 2012 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
I withhold judgment on Forde
until everything shakes out. If we did wrong, and wrong enough that it merits punishment, I don’t want to shoot the messenger.
But if it’s a mountain out of a molehill dropped right before the BET, then I’ll hate on him with all the rest.
No need to withold judgement
Even if he happens to be right, it doesn’t make him not a d-bag.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Mar 6, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
Something really confuses me about this story...
College kids do recreational drugs?
Shut up brain or I'll stab you with a Q-tip
I know.
I am just as surprised as you are.
I am shocked, shocked, to find that recreational drugs are being used in college!
Clear eyes, full bologna sandwiches!
I, personally, have never met a college student who used recreational drugs.
'Cuse 2010, Michigan 2012
OK, No Reason to freak out.
A.) The report says 10 players since 2000-01. It says this because that is the year this rule was put into effect at Syracuse.
B.) With that being said, it’s totally possible that no one on the Championship team, or before that squad had anything to do with this.
C.) This is Big East Tournament Week. Back in 2008 I was at the B.E.T. and there were rumblings that Paul Harris was being forced out of school early; People knew Flynn was probably going to leave, but word on the street was the University (and Daryl Gross in particular) wanted a clean sweep. I’d bet cold hard cash that these drug accusations have something to do with the “Dynasty” era of Cuse basketball. (Harris, Greene, Flynn, Devo). They sure did often times go out on that court and “die-nasty”.
D.) The report flat-out says they don’t know of anyone on the current squad doing that puff-puff-pass. This team has already played through the Fine fiasco. If anything this will be something for the current players to giggle about for 5 minutes on the bus before getting down to business. This won’t affect them whatsoever.
correction
meant to type Flynn probably wasn’t going to leave. That’s why you shouldn’t post after rolling over and waking up.
by Quint Stevenson on Mar 6, 2012 7:20 AM EST up reply actions
I agree. This is no big deal for the present players on the team..
Life is what you make of it, and mine is all Orange!
Its a smear on the PROGRAM and Coach Boeheim
Out of consideration for COY; and brand SU as a “druggie” program. COY would have been the Phil Knight redemption moment for our Coach this year. And IMO… to put our program in the same sentence with Baylor is slander.
But as you pointed out, this is just a "smear campaign" and nothing more
and when all the dust settles, it will be proven that Syracuse did everything right and one more ESPN reporter/journalist will have gone down in flames for suspect reporting..(hopefully)
Life is what you make of it, and mine is all Orange!
to point B
According to MY sources, some members of the 2003 did enjoy some herbal realaxation. But, that doesn’t mean they failed any drug tests.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Mar 6, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
I'm sure at least one member of every basketball team ever since like 1962
enjoyed some herbal relaxation.
Lets Also Not Forget....
That the guys who tested positive could be walk-ons…..they are part of the roster…..
How does that work?
I know that if an inelgible athlete plays in a contest, that contest is forfeited. But what if it’s a walk-on who didn’t play? Or even a scholarship player that just didn’t play? Does the forfeiture take effect simply because that player was suited up as an active member of the roster, or would it only take effect if he played in the game?
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Mar 6, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
We're still talking about forfeited wins
But the NCAA doesn’t declare people ineligible for recreational drug use. They can punish us for not following our policy, but if College B would not vacate wins, I don’t think they can make College A do so.
"if College B would not vacate wins, I don’t think they can make College A do so"
Good point. I think we can guage how this is going to go by how the UCLA case is handled. Obviously, it depends on how UCLA’s own drug policy is set up. If they didn’t have one (unlikely), then they’re in the clear as far as the NCAA is concerned. But, assuming they do hav policies in place, if they ignored player drug use and don’t suffer for it, there’s no reason to think Syracuse would. Especially if Syracuse self-reported.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Mar 6, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
At SU I was tested 4 times
always on a Thursday morning, and would get a call at 8-9 PM the night before saying “be at Manley at 6AM. Dont go to the bathroom when you wake up.” Every time it was conducted by someone from an independent lab. We would wait in the training room until we had to go, then go int a bathroom where a guy (or girl for the ladies) would instruct you to drop trou to the ankles and watch you fill up the cup. Then you would bring it back out to the lab people who would cross a random number off the board and put a tamper resistant strip across the top. And that was the end of it. No one ever heard back as to the results unless they were positive (and I dont think anyone I knew ever was). The compliance office was very clear about what would get us in trouble and to bring any questions to them.
Honestly, until the McMurphy’s Law report, I had no idea that the policies varied from school to school (though that makes a lot of sense when I think about athletes at other programs I know). I know guys from 1AA football teams who put the fellas from half baked to shame. Most schools test all sports equally, so a hoops team at a school with BCS football will get tested much more than a Georgetown type school. Then theres D2 and D3 which I know D3 does not test at all so most of those football teams (the good ones at least) are all 5’9" juiced up little white kids. I was at a D3 volleyball party once and all the girls decided to get high, then when they went to pass it my way I passed and said “Thanks but Im a student athlete.”… bitches.
I know we have to enforce our own policies, but if 1st offense at UConn is “no action”, same for UofL, Rutgers, USF, WVU, Duke and UNC…. then this is just bogus
May Doug Marrone bless you and keep you.
lol I remember lots of people had stage fright and had to wait in the "lobby" for another try
I had trouble going myself cause they’re intent on being absolutely certain you’re not cheating.
I just couldnt wake up and not pee
so Id end up drinking Gatorade all morning until I could go again.
May Doug Marrone bless you and keep you.
D3
Doesn’t test unless you go to Championships. So basically in 4 years of XC, I didn’t get tested once. And even then, you only get random tested from what I understand.
Without Gerry McNamara we wouldn't have won 10 f-- games, not 10
by PoetryInMoten on Mar 6, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Been watching ESPN all morning
haven’t heard a peep. Either it’s not on their radar(hard to believe) or they don’t think it warrants comment.
It's been the bottom line, but yes, they haven't talked about it, yet.
They may have learned their lesson with the way they handled the Bernie Fine fiasco.
Life is what you make of it, and mine is all Orange!
I hate to say it folks, but it is a big deal
first off, great piece Sean (as usual).
I am not going to make myself crazy trying to think about whether there is a conspiracy here, though there are a lot of interesting angles — none of which I believe, but they’re fun to think about if you are a fiction writer.
1) The jilted, revenge-minded conference commissioner pulling some old school Providence mob tactics to drag ’Cuse down in retribution for leaving the conference
2) The influential blue-blood Carolina booster, threatened by the possibility of seeing Syracuse break the stranglehold of Tobacco Road, puts Syracuse “in its place” prior to joining the ACC
3) The slack-jawed ESPN writer who was rejected by Newhouse 20 years ago exacts his revenge at the point when the program is poised to reach the zenith of college basketball
4) The ex-SU AD, still bitter over his loss of influence to a younger, more dashing, and frankly effective man, decides to settle some scores in hopes of taking his legacy down
…I could go on
I don’t know what, if any, agenda is driving this for sure, but what I do believe is that the Bernie Fine story drove serious viewership and public opinion at a time when the program is at its strongest, and media outlets are following the “if there’s smoke” theory of journalism to the letter. ESPN also got some egg on its face the first time around with Fine, so I do think they are working this angle in-part due to save some face, and the other media outlets are going with the story as well.
Regardless of facts or whether the violations make Syracuse Basketball any different than any other of dozens of programs, the fallout is that public opinion is not going to be kind to us, and we need to be prepared for that.
Just as opinion generalized the following:
Bernie Fine = Pedophile (unproven but suspicious), therefore Jim Boeheim = as bad or worse than Joe Paterno (not proven, not likely)
we need to get ready for
Syracuse University = drug taking cheaters therefore Jim Boeheim = as bad or worse than Jim Calhoun AND Joe Paterno; = witch hunt
Even if it isn’t a big deal, it’s a big deal. So put your thick skin on boys and girls. You know, the kind that gets you through a Central New York winter. We’re gonna need it.
by The Invisible Swordsman on Mar 6, 2012 9:30 AM EST reply actions
I disagree
Any opposing fans/journalists that get worked up over this are blinded by sanctimonious homerism.
it's not that simple
Agree with you 100% on the sanctimonious homerism comment…seen any Penn State boards? Boeheim is the anti-christ
I’m not saying that this is going to be a story in the medium or long haul or that the general public is going to get worked up over this, but the lingering afterglow is that there’s just something not quite right about Syracuse University basketball. People generally forget the details and go with their rough understanding of what they have seen or heard. In this case SU had something to do with pedophelia, drugs and lack of institutional control…all bad things.
Look, it may just wind up as nothing more than fodder for some clever and douch-ey Duke student to put on a place card during a mid-week conference game at Cameron in 2014, who knows. But the bottom line is there is a stain on us. It’s not going away. To think otherwise is naive. It just kind of sucks given how much most of us care about the school and program.
by The Invisible Swordsman on Mar 6, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
I'll buy this
I mean, Jim B. doesn’t have a squeaky clean track record. He’s had his run-ins with the NCAA in the past, though nothing major. But for all this to come out in such a relatively short period of time; Fab in court, Bernie, drug accusations, it puts a stain on the program.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Mar 6, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
Unless its nothing to be worried about at all?
“The NCAA told ESPN that Syracuse had self-reported the potential violations more than a year ago. "
All the sexiness goes right out of the story with that statement, and with it almost all of the coverage.
The sports entertainment media wants sordid details, institutional coverup and heads to roll for something to be newsworthy, and so far its been robbed of all 3 by Syraucse getting ahead of the story, um literally years in advance.
Essentially, SU scooped Yahoo Sports! (still not convinced Yahoo still exists) and ESPN at the story.
Dana O’Neil’s tweet here annoys me. If it’s about the policy, that’s one thing. But if it’s about the drugs, there’s a massive double standard in play.
So Dana O'Neill doesn't want to parent her own kid?
After the age of 13 or so my parents always said “I’d much rather you turn out to be a pothead than an alcoholic”. I’m not telling you to tell your kids to do drugs, Dana, but just because our retarded society (and that is the only way to describe the public sentiment about weed) basis so many opinions in right and left wing fear mongering doesn’t mean you have to tell your kids to buy into it.
To me, the self reporting is the key
I’m not at all familiar with the NCAA bureaucracy, so I dunno the typical TAT for this type of investigation. But it seems to me like they don’t mess around, especially with a high profile program like Syracuse. If the NCAA is good at anything, it’s making an example of people who think they’re above the rules.
So, to me, if the timeframe is correct in that SU self-reported this a year ago, then I would think that the NCAA would have done something by now if there were anything to do. There has to be records. Player X was sample 1234 which failed a drug test on date Y. This action was or was not taken against player X. This is not a Bobby Davis situation where maybe he was or wasn’t in New Orleans. Everything needed to prove or disprove this is going to be factually recorded somewhere. So, the way I see it, either A) this isn’t true or B) whatever cases are true aren’t serious enough for the NCAA to go apeshit over it. Maybe it was walkons. Maybe it was one fo the many players that left the program (Deshaun Williams, Dayshawn Wright, Louis McCroskey, etc.).
In any case, the point remains. The NCAA doesn’t exactly sit on its hands when it has a chance to vacate wins. They act fast and they’ve done nothing in a year. I’m worried, of course, but not as much as I could be.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
Look
In the big picture, a school has to have control over the program. It’s less about the smoking of pot and more about disregarding the school policy for pot with respect to eligibility. If any coach or AD does not like the policy, change it. But once you disregard a policy, you open yourself up to criticism as to how well you are self-policing. Is winning more important than following your own rules? In the end—just do the right thing and you avoid issues. If you sweep a good player’s violation under the rug, that will end up biting you in the arse ultimately.
In the bigger picture, everyone needs to stop worrying so much about perception. Wasn’t Tom Izzo suspended this year? Duke has had violations, right? It will all blow over soon enough.
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Heard Robinson being interviewed
on the radio last night. Said they were in town investigating the Fine scandal and someone told them they should be looking into SU drug infractions instead.
Colin cowherd thinks its a joke of a story.
Didn’t mention anything on Mike & Mike.
I've been involved in a number of cults, both as a leader and a follower. You have more fun as a follower. But you make more money as a leader.
by Fly Rodder on Mar 6, 2012 10:24 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I just like
how they say it was a 3 month investigation, as if it were Pilitzer prize worthy.
No shit
Give me a lead on this story and I’ll have it done in a week or two. The hell did it take you three months for?
That's kind of my point
About the drug test records. I’m sure that, legally, there are privacy issues and all that, but aside from that, everything in regards to the test results and whatever disciplinary actions were taken based on those results has to be recorded somewhere. And, given the fact that Syracuse apparently self reported, SU would have likely handed over any material they had to the NCAA at the time of reporting. So, again, it’s unlikely that NCAA would have to dig too much that it would take them months to decide if there was enough to hand down penalties.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Mar 6, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
ESPN won't talk about it much
because ESPN did not break the story, If ESPN had broken the story, they would talk it up endlessly.
I just love that
its not ok at SU, but it would be fine and half the other schools out there. Its like the BYU premarital sex thing and if ESPN got up their asses for not reporting it with former players. Its a school rule, not an NCAA rule.
May Doug Marrone bless you and keep you.
We need to start a pool for which former SU player told.
I can’t decide whether to put money on Josh Wright or Louie McCroskey.
This goes one of two ways...
Either the NCAA will consider this to be a minor issue (that SU has already reported) and consider the matter closed …
or the program will be dismantled and we’ll all be eating s**tsnacks for the rest of the decade.
Nothing to worry about. ;)
3 days ago something broke about UCLA.
Three days later………..-crickets-
This is (fingers-crossed) much ado about nada, & will be a footnote by 2morrow.
On Thurs, before we play UConn in the BET, the preamble will be:
“Syracuse has had a year filled w/ distractions, but ended up winning the BE reg season championship”.
Its just not sexy enough of a story to last more than 24-48 hrs.
Media spin
This isn’t UCLA, this is vendettas brought to the front. ESPN had this thing going about every 2 minutes on the bottom line. Everyone is running this JB quote about him not knowing anything. But, I think that quote comes about the fact there is a story and not the actual drug tests. But that’s not how it is being sold. The media knows the lifespan of SU is another month (maximum) and this all goes away until next fall when everyone will not care about any of this.
This isn’t coincidental timing. This is a real effort to make Syracuse pay.
Why does ESPN want Syracuse to pay?
They are going to need to leverage the Syracuse name to justify the additional expense to the ACC. If anything, they are trying to get this stuff out of the way so that the ACC years will be without distraction. But that’s hardly trying to make Syracuse pay.
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