Doug Gottlieb Would Prefer Syracuse Fans Not Pop Off, Stop Balding
One of my favorite parts of this season is that once the dust settled, the critics quieted down, the doubters were converted and the pollsters convinced...we were left to duel it out with our arch-enemy, Doug Gottlieb. The Lex Luthor to our Superman. The Joker to our Robin.

After Syracuse's win over Georgetown, I'm guessing some Syracuse fans wanted to let Doug know they won the game. You know, a friendly heads-up. Doug, to his credit, towed his own party line.
So Cuse gives up 23 ORBs at home,survives G-Town at home and Orange fans are popping off-did u watch Kentucky?
— Doug Gottlieb (@GottliebShow) February 9, 2012
Yeah, jerks. Don't bother Gottlieb until Syracuse beats Kentucky. Until then, they are a vile, completely disgusting team worthy of a vile, completely disgusting fanbase.
SU fans are probably ugly, too. And balding. Definitely balding. Someone should help them with that problem. I mean, really target them and their problem.
If only...

Well played, Gottlieb. Well played. Question, though...can I use my credit card, or someone else's credit card, for this?
H/T: Jeff
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No, I didn't watch Kentucky
Why would I watch a Kentucky game if it’s gonna be vacated in a couple years anyways?
by pegs on Feb 9, 2012 9:41 AM EST via mobile reply actions 6 recs
I did watch Kentucky
And I’ll tell you what. When they say that what makes Kentucky special is that they have Anthony Davis and no one else does, they’re exactly right. Kid is a monster all over the court, and that’s not to mention guys like Terrence Jones, Doron Lamb and Michael Kidd-Gilchrist. As much as it pains me to say, I have to give a slight edge to UK for best team in the country. Believe the hype, they’re that good.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Feb 9, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Yea but
he was up against an undersized UF (who we beat). Put him against Fab in the zone and the dude will be off his game.
May Doug Marrone bless you and keep you.
I wish I could agree 100%
But Davis is just flat out better than Fab. He’s better in every aspect of the game. Now, Davis was a top guard prospect before he grew 8 inches and became a center. And Fab has only been playing ball for like 5 years. So it’s natural and even expected for Davis to be a better player. But he IS better.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Feb 9, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
But thats the beauty of a zone
we dont play guys straight up. We collapse on him with help from a wing. All Fab has to do is make his hesitate or change his shot so someone else can come in and tie him up. And Fab is so tall that he wont be able to go over the top like he did last night. He will have to beat him with moves.
Were we to play UK, I bet they wouldnt put him down low, but keep him at the high post to draw up our back line and open up the back door cut. This would also free him up to crash the boards with momentum on the misses from all the deep 3s UK would take against us.
May Doug Marrone bless you and keep you.
Don't get me wrong
I’m not crowning UK or even labeling them a team that I don’t want to have to play (though I’ll admit I’d rather not). I’m just saying that everyone saying that UK is the best team in the country right now is probably right. If both Syracuse and UK played their best game, Syracuse could win.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Feb 9, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Doug
I watched Kentucky struggled to beat Tennessee and Alabama about 3-4 weeks ago. Did you downgrade their chances and highlight their weaknesses at that point, Doug?
Boom... Roasted
Question, though…can I use my credit card, or someone else’s credit card, for this?
Lacks knowledge or information sufficient to form a belief
by Rocket Ship Science on Feb 9, 2012 9:48 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Beautiful
http://cusepulp.blogspot.com/
by Lots of Pulp on Feb 9, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
What A Moron
Like we need booze to be angry.
Maybe, just maybe more fans would take less offense if he could at least attempt to point out something other than negatives all the time. For instance, people respect Axeman because he does column where he does point out SU flaws but he also has the Sunny Side where he points out the positives. Maybe people would stop refering to this hack with negative names if for once he actually stopped acting like a douchebag and try to stop just pointing out everything negative he can find to instigate a fanbase.
Let’s be fair, if Syracuse played Kentucky like they did last night, it may have been an ugly game but SU won and in the end, that is what matters. And not every fan is a bitter drunk so he needs to stop pretending we are. Frankly, he is the reason I stopped watching ESPN studio shows because I don’t care about his opinion and I don’t even know how the heck he qualifies as an “expert”. Could they not find better former players who don’t sound so pompous? I would rather listen to Dickie V on an infinite loop than this guy and thats a fact baby.
"I'm in a Syracuse State Of Mind"
http://www.syracusestateofmind.wordpress.com/
He was actually pretty spot on
Said it would be very close and Georgetown could give us trouble, but that Syracuse would win a game that would be closer than you think.
Pretty accurate.
http://cusepulp.blogspot.com/
by Lots of Pulp on Feb 9, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
No Offense
But even if he picked SU to win the national championship, I still would not waste a second of my day listing to him. I may not a huge fan of Barkley or Shaq or some of those anaylists but at least they accomplished a lot in their careers and I respect their opinions. Hey Devo played some college ball, let’s give him a mic? He does this BS just like Cowherd sometimes to get a reaction and I seriously do not care to waste my time nor do I like or respect DG opinions on any matter. If he told me that there was a sniper outside the building waiting for me, I would rather take the bullet than listen to his advice.
Let me say this, I do not hate all things ESPN, I think they do some very good things for sports. However when they give guys like him, Bayless, Cowherd and my least favorite ever Steven A Smith airtime that they use to be obnoxious, I prefer not to tolerate them on a regular basis and focus my attention elsewhere. I stopped watching Sportcenter and ESPNNews because they had to add their “expert analysist” opinion into every detail and frankly, I don’t give a rat’s damn what people like them think. I respect many who work for ESPN and some of what they bring to sports fan but I don’t have to support behavior designed to elicit a response and most of it is in a negative matter. Life is too short to spend a breathe more than these posts on these “experts”
"I'm in a Syracuse State Of Mind"
http://www.syracusestateofmind.wordpress.com/
by Orange Chuck on Feb 9, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We don't need booze
to be angry. We all have 40 feet of snow to shovel. Don’t you know that shoveling snow burns off alcohol? Tough to stay lit when you’re constantly dealing with your 80 foot driveway.
Without Gerry McNamara we wouldn't have won 10 f-- games, not 10
by PoetryInMoten on Feb 9, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Gottlieb LIKES this
this is why he does it. He only begrudgingly acknowledges Syracuse strengths when he has to. Also, he and Boeheim arent exactly friendly, which I think paints his opinion negatively of Syracuse. That and hes a credit card stealing hack writer.
Pinker, Bravo analysis! +1,000,000
Gottlieb is just trolling us for a reaction he knows he will get. He gets bored and does this shit. I just hope our fans would stop reacting to this ass-clown. Ignore the ULTIMATE troll!
Since the early 1990's I have not been able to get Mike Hopkins' bloody face out of my brain. I don't remember what game it was but I'll never forget that as my first memory of SU basketball. Mike Hopkins, bloody face, bloody nose, all for the love of Syracuse.
Ultimate troll
hahahaa I had to laugh at that one. I pictured Gottleib leading a balding army of trolls out of their parents basements to steal credit cards.
Why does it matter so much what these guys say?
There is a lot of bitterness in many responses to anything Gottlieb says. Why do so many people care what he and others have to say?
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Feb 9, 2012 3:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Drinking and yelling obsenities...
Though at times can be distasteful, NOT illegal you credit card stealing asshat douche nozzle (sips morning “coffee”).
He's just a jerk
I really don’t think Douggers is out to get Syracuse. I dont think he has a vendetta against Jim Boeheim or our fans. I just think he’s an ass. I don’t know if his mom didn’t hug him enough times when he was younger. But sometimes, he’s just a jerk for the sake of being one.
But I don’t think he has it out for Syracuse. I think he’s an equal opportunity asshole. On his twitter feed last night, he ripped Notre Dame, Austin Rivers, CBS Sports, and Florida State as well. He still lists us as his number-2 team in his ESPN power rankings behind Kentucky. And you know what, UK waxed Florida by 20. We also suck at rebounding. He spouts off facts — he’s just an asshole when he does it.
Not always facts, he is just an ass for the hell of it and he says whatever he wants.
But it’s like the fanpost from the other day, that’s his job. He is a pot-stirrer. His sole purpose is to be the sniveling little weasel that everybody loves to hate.
There is no way ESPN puts him on TV for his “KNOWLEDGE.” And in that we can find solace.
Born in '87, Orange fan since '86
I guess I made a twitter, follow @StealthTurkey
by StealthTurkey on Feb 9, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
exactly this.
It’s his job to stir the pot, and he does that job well. Sure I ticked off at him from time to time, but as it’s been pointed out, he craps on most everybody, and praises them when they do something well.
Also, to be honest, If the effort we saw last night was what SU offered up in a game against UK, I’d expect the Orange to get smoked much like Florida did. SU may be a better team, but that won’t mean squat doodle against the better talent Kentucky has if the Orange aren’t firing on all cylinders.
We will not rest until we see these capitalist octopuses annihilated.
-Che Marrone
We have to remember
ESPN stands for Entertainment and Sports Programming Network. Regardless of what they may think or how they try to present themselves, ESPN is not a sports news operation (Maybe ESPN News is, but I don’t watch enough of it to say). Most of the talking heads at the Worldwide Leader are not reporters. They’re former players and coaches hired to offer their opinions. Opinions only matter when viewers feel strongly about them. So, Dick Vitale is loud, boisterous ACC slurper, Gottlieb is the Syracuse hater and so on. Everyone has their role. Everyone has their job and nowhere in there does that job require them to provide objective analysis.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Feb 9, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
In his defense
Guys, let’s not get carried away. What he says has some merit. I think we can all agree that SOME (but not all) of our fellow SU fans can get a little “blue” after having a few drinks.
Just as I am sure Doug would agree that SOME (actually most) college basketball experts are failed point guards who sported a <40% FG percentage and a <50% free throw percentage.
its all about the ratios.
Lets say that 15% of all fans at the big east tournament are loud, aggressive and drunk. 15% of 8,000 SU fans at the garden would be 1200 drunk loud fans. However, 15% of the 45 Seton Hall fans at the Garden would be 6 guys. 6 guys are not going to make a bunch of noise, no matter how drunk they get.
by SJ on Feb 9, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
That can be said of all fans
For every team. Why single one set out? Like OK St fans aren’t the same. Sorry, they are exactly the same. Syracuse fans are so tame it is laughable anyone would point them out as “vile”. Most fans are normal people who go to see a game. A small percentage are morons who drink too much and/or only want to draw attention to themselves. Never been to a sporting event (college or pro) where that didn’t happen.
by orangetundra on Feb 9, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
love these 'sportswriters'
they spew their crap on ESPN, then when you call them on it they start crying and hiding behind “oh it’s just my opinion, can’t I have an opinion?”.
Obviously we have drunk, rude fans that number in the tens. So does every other arena, with the possible exception of BYU (and that’s even debatable).
Utahns for Orange
He does make some good points. That being said he does have a bias against SU, that he will never admit, but it is there.
So when anything can be said as a negative against SU he says it. And to be honest it is the replies from SU fans that fuel his continued pot stirring towards SU. Take it for what it is worth, nada. Ps. laughed out loud at this " you credit card stealing asshat douche nozzle!" Good stuff!
He does make some good points..
Honestly, he is just smug. Everything he said on Sportscenter last night is true. That’s all it is. He is a fine analyst who comes off like an asshat because of his smirk.
So doug is now on the kentucky wagon?
he was riding the osu wagon for a while….what happened dougie?
You keep chanting one more year, I thought college was four years
by PointBlankPeriodPeriod on Feb 9, 2012 11:21 AM EST reply actions
I will never understand
the obsession some have with worrying/getting upset about the opinions of media personalities.
by mcsteve on Feb 9, 2012 11:24 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Sorry Fellas
but I kind of agree with him. We did struggle to beat Gtown at home. We didnt look that sharp. Outside of Joseph, no one could hit a shot. Kentucky won by 20. Proof is kind of in the pudding here fellas. He isnt wrong.
by Mike Will is DoubleDown on Feb 9, 2012 12:01 PM EST reply actions
With a one game sample size, sure
But watch some of Kentucky’s less impressive performances and the story changes. Right now, yeah, UK has an edge. But to say “Kentucky beat Florida by 20” is not effective analysis.
but
Kentucky did beat florida by 20. And yeah kentucky has struggled in some games. So have we. It shouldnt piss us off because he thinks kentucky is better then us. Many people do and they really arent wrong either. Its just a matter of if they are better then us for one night (if we do play them in tourny)
by Mike Will is DoubleDown on Feb 9, 2012 1:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Kentucky went through a brutal stretch
where they narrowly beat awful Auburn and Tennessee teams – you’re right, small sample. Syracuse has had two atrocious rebounding margins. Two too many, but they won both games and have only lost one game all year to a team shooting red hot and minus their starting center. There are a few small chinks in the armor but SU and Kentucky have both looked fantastic all year.
It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.
by Girardi Party on Feb 9, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
Ditto
As I said above, Kentucky has the goods all around, not just Anthony Davis. And, I mean, facts are facts. Syracuse beat Florida by 4. UK smacked them hard by 20. Syracuse struggled againt G’Town. Does that mean Syracuse isn’t as good as Kentucky or that G’Town is better than Florida? Prolly a bit of both. Syracuse is very good, but has a couple of glaring weaknesses that teams are figuring out how to exploit. I’ll accept simply falling victim to hot shooting, like they did against ND. But when the cracks in the armor start to show, it’s hard to support the argument that Syracuse is the best team in the country. Getting Ws is good, but the Orange need to shore up a few things if they expect to win a national title.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Feb 9, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
I’ve watched Kentucky plenty of times. They are talented all around. I just think Syracuse fans know that we arent as good as Kentucky and we have glarring weaknesses. But, HATE it when people outside of Syracuse point that out. Its like we have this thought process of “Only Syracuse fans can criticize Syracuse hoops” or “If your not from Syracuse, dont say shit about us!”. I mean, if i’m in the media, i’m saying A LOT of what the national media is saying about us. Truth hurts. BUT, i’m also smart enough to realize that we are valid #1 seed and have many more positives then weaknesses. I also know that we can beat anyone on any given night. Unfortunately, so can Kentucky.
by Mike Will is DoubleDown on Feb 9, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly
I think many fans believe they have seen enough to know that if this team gets hot, they could beat even Kentucky. That is not a shot at Kentucky at all because they have a very good team but when everyone is on, and hopefully that will be soon enough, this SU team can compete with and beat anyone. I don’t think all SU fans hate criticism of the team from outside the community, I just think sometimes they get tired of only the negatives getting attention. There are some like Bilas who have given this team a lot of credit but there are others who have also gone out of their way to point at their weaknesses and simply dismiss this SU team and DG is one of them. We know they are not rebounding well lately or for that matter shooting well compared to earlier this season but that does not mean that is all we need to talk about…or especially their road/away schedule that is getting old and tired. You can point out negatives but if you harp on them all day long, you come off as a hater and I think that is why many SU fans are unhappy more than anything. Yes we have fans who take everything personal but so does every other fan base. I dare you to tell a Carolina fan why Duke is so much better than them or dismiss Carolina the way some of these people dismiss Syracuse…SOME of them, not all.
"I'm in a Syracuse State Of Mind"
http://www.syracusestateofmind.wordpress.com/
I'll take it a step further
And say that Syracuse doesn’t need to be “on” to beat Kentucky. The Orange could win just by playing well and within their game. They wouldn’t have to count on being on fire.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Feb 9, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
This
There are some like Bilas who have given this team a lot of credit but there are others who have also gone out of their way to point at their weaknesses and simply dismiss this SU team
There are a ton of people who hear one statistic and just repeat it over and over and over regardless of its relevance or importance. For Gottlieb, it was “who is their go to guy?” Watch that debate he had with Katz about SU vs. Baylor. Katz broke things down, had multiple examples, etc. Gottlieb had a look on his face of “are you shitting me?” the whole time and then just repeated over and over the “who is their go to guy?” thing. Now the rebounding- which is something we’re all concerned with, but it’s something that this team has continued to win in spite of- is his go to thing to talk about.
Dana O’Neill did the same thing in all of her chats earlier in the year. It could be a question about Scoop’s leadership, and her answer would be centered around not leaving New York.
It’s glaringly obvious that so many of these talking heads hear one stat and latch onto it without actually paying attention. And they get paid to weigh in and analyze this stuff, but are completely brain dead to everything but one measly statistic, and they clearly don’t follow the games. It’s the same reasons people get annoyed at the chirping heads on MSDNC and Faux News.
by cuse2012 on Feb 9, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh I agree
that when we get hot, we can beat anybody. There is no doubt in my mind about that. But I must watch different ESPN then everyone else. I do see the constant criticisms of our team. Cant rebound, dont play anyone outside of NY, weak schedule, etc etc. Then, in the same breath, I hear “deepest team in America”, “best fast break in the country” “tremendous length”. So, they say positives and negatives about us. So what? Now, I do agree the NY thing is PLAYED out. But anyone who comes on the air and says we are in trouble cause we cant rebound or shoot very well….would you really disagree with them?
by Mike Will is DoubleDown on Feb 9, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
It isn't everyone at ESPN
There are plenty who love what they see in our team- Bilas, Lunardi, Bob Knight, etc. The only thing is that those guys do their jobs the way it should be done. Gottlieb and Dana O’Neill are just gigantic douches when they present any opinion.
I got over his anti-syracuse
And actually don’t hate him as an analysist anymore.
But i will say this, he is a terrible talk show host. I never listen to his show but every once in a while he will fill in on my boy SVP’s show, and he is just so bad. Always not answering questions, interrupring people to go off on his own unrelated tangents, and making awkward comments that quickly kill the conversation.
And im convinced ryan russillo hates him.
by jimmyBmyhero on Feb 9, 2012 12:13 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I love SVP and Ryan Russillo
Probably the best things ESPN has on the radio.
Born in '87, Orange fan since '86
I guess I made a twitter, follow @StealthTurkey
by StealthTurkey on Feb 9, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
this
i started listening to ESPN radio about a year ago.
Took me 2 days to realize that Cowherd’s and DG’s shows were jokes.
Took me until 1:10 to realize that SVP show was gold, pure gold.
Never laugh so hard listening to sports as I do listening to SVP and Russillo.
pulse of the nation anyone?
I think how he does his radio show and how he does his analysis go hand in hand
He has his mind made up on what the answer is before he looks at the evidence. And no matter what, he’ll find some small, insignificant thing to use as his evidence for being right.
Ugh
Stop with this. Gottlieb is probably the most knowledgeable person on college basketball on the planet. The dude knows the 7th man for teams like Santa Clara. I beg people to listen to the podcast he does on Mondays for College basketball. He makes Andy Katz look like a dolt. Is he smug? Yes, of course he is but to say he doesn’t know anything is flat out wrong.
If Syracuse played Kentucky right now at this moment, Kentucky would win and deep down we all know that. Anthony Davis and Kidd Gilchrist are absolute beasts. And they have a GREAT 3 pt shooter in Doron Lamb. Gottlieb is totally right about Cuse fans popping off. Relax. Cuse was AWFUL in the half court last night and Joseph bailed them out time after time. That team that played last night would beat Kentucky? I mean come on. 23 Offensive rebounds!!! Let’s get serious as fans. Sean, you’re better than this. I know we’re all biased, but it’s ok to admit when people are right about the team.
I don't think Sean was pointing to his pre-game analysis. Anybody can see he was accurate.
My problem, along with a lot of other people, is that he went out of his way to call SU fans VILE. He is a talking head for a major media corporation and he vilified us on social media. At this point, I don’t care if he picks us to win it all, he can suck it.
Born in '87, Orange fan since '86
I guess I made a twitter, follow @StealthTurkey
by StealthTurkey on Feb 9, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
The dude puts UNC 3rd and Duke 9th after last night
Great knowledge there……
The older Gottlieb gets the more and more he sounds and looks like Woody Allen...
Orange you glad it's not football season?
by SUMB44 on Feb 9, 2012 12:53 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Somehow he has UNC in front of us in his top 5
Idc who the team is, a team with four losses in a major conference is not better then a team with one loss in a major conference. I can’t stand this guy.
+1
His top 5 is borderline ridiculous. How in the hell do you put a team that just blew a double digit lead AND got absolutely stomped by Florida State in the top 5 at all?
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Feb 9, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Not just four losses
The refs gifted them a win over Maryland the other day, and they lost by THIRTY THREE to Florida State. That alone should count as 3 losses. If their name wasn’t UNC, I don’t think they’d even be in the Top 20 by the pollsters. Gottlieb has them at number 3, ahead of a 24-1 squad from the Big East? Are you f*cking kidding me?
I think Gottlieb is a good analyst
but also admit that he has an ability to make even the most reasonable arguments sound condescending and smug.
too much doug hate. no need for it.
ps. this cuse team loses by thirty to Kentucky right now. fact.
get a rebound
G-Mac bitches
BC 2011
Teams that Kentucky has beaten by 30+
Marist
Penn State
Radford
Samford
South Carolina
That’s a fact
Teams Kentucky failed to beat by 10
Louisville
Tennessee
Alabama
That’s a fact
Teams that have beaten SU at all:
Notre Dame
That’s a fact.
this cuse team loses by thirty to Kentucky right now
That’s ridiculous speculation.
I don’t think you think before you post.
That’s a possibly rash opinion.
by Mike I. on Feb 9, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
If they play like they played last night
Yes, they lose by 30. If they play like they played against St. John’s, they win.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Feb 9, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously?
You think that Kentucky is so much better than Georgetown that a 3-point victory becomes a 30-point defeat?
Yes, I do.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Feb 9, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
If we played how we did in our worst game
And Kentucky plays how they did in their best game, we still don’t lose by 30.
I hope our team isn't as scared of Kentucky as some of our "fans" are.
No way they lose by thirty to Kentucky AT Kentucky. And unless half the team overdoses on Chipolte and doesn’t make the flight there is no way in fudging hell they lose by thirty on a neutral court. Unbelievable how fickle and negative some of you are.

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