Syracuse 64 - Georgetown 61: The Canadian Went Bakin'
Hubert Davis only knows 47 words and seven of them are "Syracuse doesn't have a go-to guy." For all our sakes, lets hope that he watched the Syracuse Orange defeat the Georgetown Hoyas 64-61 in overtime Wednesday night so that he is aware of what Kris Joseph is capable of.
Joseph exploded for a career-high 29 points and hit the game-winning shot in overtime to propel the Orange over the hated Hoyas. He was simply on fire all night, adding five rebounds and three steals to his stat sheet. KrisJo was everything we hoped he'd be on this evening and let's all pray to God that he keeps this up.
Not to be forgotten is Fabricio Melo. The Brazilian waxed the Hoyas for eleven points, seven rebounds and six blocks. Fab has developed a swagger that's been missing from the Syracuse front-court for some time, even wagging a Mutumbo-like finger at once point.
Dion Waiters scored nine points, grabbed five boards and dished three assists. Scoop scored three, dished eight assists and had a typical "NO/YES/NO/YES/NO" Scoop Jardine evening (the play at the end of regulation was Classic Scoopid). C.J. Fair added five points but had a relatively off-night.
Six Orange scored and only six played double-digit minutes. Now, I'm not saying that the dirty little secret of Syracuse Basketball is that we don't actually play our depth and usually only play 6-7 guys, but...we kinda do. Clearly, Rak and MCDubz almost only get significant time in blowouts and James Southerland is a non-factor more often than he's a factor. BMK is in the doghouse these days.
When it matters most, we're a 6-7 player rotation. Hear that, Ron Morris?
The Orange looked like they were in deep trouble in the first-half as the Hoyas abused us on rebounds and slowed the game just enough to take away our transition. Not to mention they dared to try and out-zone us. While it seems to take forever for SU to adjust, they finally did and then it turned into another classic SU-G'town battle. Of course the game went to overtime because...of course it did.
And of course, we have to recognize that the win gives Jim Boeheim his 880th career coaching victory, moving him past North Carolina legend Dean Smith for third on the NCAA’s Division I list. Mazel Tov!
One last note on the refs. Maybe I'm biased cause we won but I thought it was one of the most well-refereed games I've seen in the Big East in a long time. They let'm play. They called fair and smart fouls and kept the dumb ones to a minimum. I think we're just so used to horrible officiating to the point where we get pissed off when refs DON'T make bad calls, so it's hard to appreciate. However, no coincidence that Tim Higgins and Jim Burr were far away from the Dome tonight.
The Orange now continue Hell Week with another Dome tilt against UConn on Saturday before heading to the dreaded confines of the YUM! to face Louisville. They overcame a tough start against a quality opponent and watched as their go-to guy emerged and took over. Great win and great addition to the rivalry.
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The go-to guy argument will continue
They will argue that the go-to guy is the guy who has the ball with time running out and hits the shot. Not the guy that goes for nearly 30. I’d put money on it. We know who our go-to guy is and if no one else does, good.
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For me
Joseph hitting that shot tonight changed everything. Once you make that first one, suddenly you want the ball more. We’ve seen it again and again. Good for him for proving me wrong…
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Not just the last shot
But the whole game. He carried the offense from start to finish and never backed down from that responsibility.
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by FeloniousPhunk on Feb 9, 2012 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
at one point in the first half though
before they started falling I said to my gf, “Oh great, seems we’ve decided to let Kris audition and go 3 for 21 from 3 tonight…” Glad I was wrong there…
F#&% the Big East
How long you been sacing that one?
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by theNYsportsguy on Feb 8, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
saving*
Spelling things wrong is always a good way to get the post count up.
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by theNYsportsguy on Feb 8, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
Bout two weeks.
Hell, I thought about waiting until (a little less than) 8 weeks from now. Couldn’t do it. This win was too sweet. Can always use it again, or come up with another one.
by Anon5QADEtU4 on Feb 8, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
Well your going to be interweb famous
Already been tweeted by me and voteprime(with due credit). Get ready for the money to start pouring in.*
*May not really happen
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by theNYsportsguy on Feb 8, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
This is beautiful.
I am so using this in the future.
Clear eyes, full bologna sandwiches!
by NOLACuse on Feb 8, 2012 10:49 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Just doesn't get better than this
http://cusepulp.blogspot.com/
25 rec's. This must be a record.
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by theNYsportsguy on Feb 9, 2012 6:21 AM EST up reply actions
44 Recs - I want to make it 45, but I can't move it passed that number
by LvilleOrange on Feb 9, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
I couldn't help but being the 50th rec
I've been involved in a number of cults, both as a leader and a follower. You have more fun as a follower. But you make more money as a leader.
Someone please post this on Casual
I refuse to go there and A) click their little thing about not saying good things about God aka Boeheim and B) troll, since they are so delusional that’s what it amounts to. Their basic arguments this morning are the refs refs refs, we outplayed you, refs. Klassy. Sorry JTIII can’t figure out a basic substitution at crunch time.
Hoya fans chirping about how they "showed how to beat us"
Lol, congrats if you think that.
We got average to bad games from 9 out of 10 guys and still beat the 11th ranked squad. Sure the tourney will be all about matchups, as always, but if we can play that poorly and beat a top squad like that, it’s good news to me.
I don't see Syracuse
playing that badly against a zone D – if they even see one – the rest of the year.
And on offense, yes, Georgetown, as usual, got some easy buckets on pretty Princeton cuts, but Syracuse clamped down on D and most of the game was an ENORMOUS struggle for the Hoyas offensively.
So if the blueprint is… “play zone and hope CJ Fair/the three point shooters go cold; on offense, run some pretty set plays and when those fail, huck up bricks and hope Syracuse decides not to rebound”… right. I’ll take my chances with that “blueprint.”
(The rebounding just HAS to get better, right?)
It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.
by Girardi Party on Feb 8, 2012 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
I noticed late in the game
we had someone watching for the Princeton cut, probably Fab. I know I saw them try to run it almost every time down the court and we quickly adjusted to it.
Without Gerry McNamara we wouldn't have won 10 f-- games, not 10
by PoetryInMoten on Feb 9, 2012 1:01 AM EST up reply actions
One guy I'd really like to see stepping up
Is Southerland. He’s been downright brutal for a while now. And the ones he’s missing are WIDE open.
Re: officiating
it was a relatively easy game to call imo.
Hoyas sitting in a zone + launching a ton of threes. Not as many interesting spots to put refs in compared to a typical BE games.
I had a whole group of people watching the game at my daughters dance studio, it was awesome
Bubba Army
by AdirondackOrange on Feb 8, 2012 10:38 PM EST reply actions
Boeheim saying "we're not a good team"
because the team can’t rebound.
This team does so many things well to make up for that deficiency but it is a glaring weakness that is holding them back from being, in my eyes, a truly elite team.
Thoughts?
http://cusepulp.blogspot.com/
I think we CAN rebound.
We just WON’T. I noticed for a lot of those rebounds we were being lazy, either not boxing out or being laxadasical chasing down the ball. This is fundamental stuff that we ought to be doing that we’re not. Give CJ credit for actually working the glass.
I agree
I think that it honestly at this point is will.
It is hard to rebound out of a zone. We are struggling not only because of that, but because we are not doing a good job of clearing out. But to say the team isn’t good seems a bit far, we do so much to make up for reb. differential.
http://cusepulp.blogspot.com/
if it is indeed just will
that is just another way to say want. If if Boeheim thinks his team just doesn’t want it bad enough he’s gonna be pissed. If he wasn’t he wouldn’t have 880…
F#&% the Big East
I've noticed 2 things Re: Rebounding
First, guys seem to try and tip at rebounds rather than come down with them. K Jo is the worst offender here. He never goes up and gets a board in traffic, he always goes up and tries to tap it out to the back court and hope one of the guards grabs it. That is why G’Town got that one rebound off the missed free throw and a few other big ones.
Second, the guards are too quick to give up on the offensive glass. One or two guys getting back is fine, but at least three should stay and fight for the board. 3 times I saw melo alone fighting for an offensive board for about 3 seconds surrounded by 5 Gtown players
great observations
and both a “symptom” of our love of transition. If KJo tips the defensive rebound to a guard who is already about a half step into sprinting down the court while the 2 guys next to him are a step ahead coz they all went together, the transition is a thing of beauty. Of course, the other 23 times that the other team manages to get the rebound because we don’t like to actually grab and hold the ball are kind of a bummer…
F#&% the Big East
Defensive rebounding in the 2-3 zone drives the runouts we rely on in transition.
Having Melo get his mitts on it and dishing out to Scoop/Dion is paramount to our scoring.
Our half-court isn’t that great, it never has been.
The 'Cuse is in tha house, oh my God oh my God.
Because our offense involves
ball-screen and either shoot a three or drive and dish…and that’s about it. There isn’t a whole lot of off-the-ball movement compared to other offenses. Is it true that JB tells them to play defense his way and he’ll let them play offense however they want?
I'm torn on this
and my opinion changes every game. Most games I don’t care because we make up for the lack of rebounding with steals, blocks and turnovers. Then there’s games like tonight where it almost killed us because we were only getting those three in small numbers and not in consecutive possessions. So my opinion is now, eff it. If we win I don’t care hwat the numbers look like.
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by theNYsportsguy on Feb 8, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
Ws definitely matter.
That is correct.
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I agree
Tonight is a different game without some VERY clutch three-point shooting by Kris and Dion. They cannot allow that many second chances to good teams. We’re very lucky Georgetown was so bad from close range (and a lot of that is due to Fab’s presence, but still).
There were too many quick shots where rebounding help hadn’t been established on the weak side – not a white shirt in sight.
It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.
by Girardi Party on Feb 8, 2012 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
Dion had some very Sccopid plays at the end of Reg
Two or three times he put up off balance threes as the shot clock was dying rather than penetrating. If that keeps up, he’s going to find himself on the bench and watching MCW. His game is drive and shoot or drive and dish, not try to make unassisted, challenged, off-balance threes.
Not even
when the shot clock was dying. With like 3 seconds left on the shot clock and at the end of regulation. If he had just run the offense, we probably would have won in regulation and saved the 5 minutes of wear on our guys.
Without Gerry McNamara we wouldn't have won 10 f-- games, not 10
by PoetryInMoten on Feb 9, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Kris' no look entry pass down the lane through 2 defenders that "somehow" got intercepted
was not a terribly high IQ pass either…we made a number of BS flashy “moves” (aka turnovers) late in a very tight game. After a few of these I was sure we’d lose. Joseph made up for it with the 3…I understand why coach is pissed.
F#&% the Big East
Too bad the game was on CBS here in the Triangle. It would have been awesome to make the Tobacco road wait for the one thing they cherish most here.
by twang84 on Feb 8, 2012 10:50 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Cousin Lovin'?
The 'Cuse is in tha house, oh my God oh my God.
by StrawHatGuy on Feb 8, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That’s actually put on hold for the Puke, Unc games.
by twang84 on Feb 8, 2012 10:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's only on a private feed to Pat Forde's basement.
He’s equipped with plenty of Aveeno and Kleenex for the occasion.
The 'Cuse is in tha house, oh my God oh my God.
by StrawHatGuy on Feb 8, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That game is so huge
It’s not on TV, it’s being broadcast on the moon.
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by theNYsportsguy on Feb 8, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
Epic choke
Rivers with ice water in his veins
You keep chanting one more year, I thought college was four years
by PointBlankPeriodPeriod on Feb 8, 2012 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
CJ Fair had some nice moments in the game
and this is certainly a different conversation without his 9 boards… but it was tough to see him struggle shooting against the zone, which afforded him so many nice opportunities to hit that nearly automatic mid-range jumper. I don’t know how much more zone we’ll see but given that this team is streaky (at best) from three, it’s a decent strategy to employ against this team. I think tonight was just an anomaly on offense for CJ, though – if he is hitting those 10-15 footers from the heart of a zone, teams won’t be able to play it. CJ could be the Zone Eater.

It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.
by Girardi Party on Feb 8, 2012 11:27 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Fair had a number of buckets bounce out.
While he had a number of missed FGs, I was actually really happy with every look he got, I just think he got a few unlucky bounces.
He is the key against a zone. He plays the foul line very well. I just wish that Dion would actually pass it to him there. (Part of the reason Scoop was left in was for those passes)
by Gregory Tuers on Feb 8, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
Except for the shots Mike I mentioned below, I didn’t dislike his shot selection. He’ll bounce back. Agree that Scoop was doing a nice job setting up the offense.
It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.
by Girardi Party on Feb 9, 2012 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
CJ should have drove to the basket from the top of the key
His shot wasn’t falling, but he had that one play where he turned and drove to the basket and got the foul. That play was open frequently last night, either through getting in the paint or kicking out to an open three. He made the play 3 or 4 times, but could have about 10.
Overall, solid effort and great hustle by CJ though.
Unc had 82 points with 2 mins left and finished with 84
Slow down killed them and it nearly cost us tonight
You keep chanting one more year, I thought college was four years
by PointBlankPeriodPeriod on Feb 8, 2012 11:31 PM EST reply actions
To recap on this week in college basketball
Duke lost, UConn lost, Georgetown lost, North Carolina lost, and Syracuse won. Great week in college basketball.
by pegs on Feb 8, 2012 11:38 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I would sympathize a lot more
If one Georgetown fan could explain to me why Hollis Thompson, with whom they TOTALLY WOULD HAVE WON, was not already a) in the game or b) waiting to come in if they were going offense defense.
triche
was triche hurt? because waiters and scoop were terrible. especially dion, boeheim called for an iso at the end of regulation and dion decided to throw up a 40 footer.
ugh. dion was TERRIBLE
Dion did not play a smart game
and I would have liked to have seen Triche late in the game – I wondered if he was hurt, too. (But he came into the game in OT. He looked dejected on the bench.)
Scoop had a fine game, though. He was running the offense very well for the most part – Dion and Triche aren’t doing that nearly as well on a consistent basis. Scoop had 8 assists, including I think six in the second half. He wasn’t the issue.
It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.
by Girardi Party on Feb 9, 2012 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
Triche
almost always looks dejected. I was listening to UFR and DC was on saying he always tells Triche to play with some more emotion which I think would be great for him.
armchair psychoanalysis time
I think Triche is in his own head too much – he thinks too much and analyzes everything coz he wants to be perfect and if he makes a mistake and that perfection starts to tick away it really eats at him. I wish he could let that go and just enjoy the very, very good that he could/can/sometimes will be/is…
F#&% the Big East
Rebounding can be fixed
But I think it will take a wholesale change in approach. Besides the issue of the zone, Fab is trying to block everything and that just leaves him out of position. Really, the team has to decide if they will have the guards attack the glass or continue to leak out. Plus, Fab has to understand that sometimes he has to let the shot go and turn around to rebound. If you make those adjustments, the margin comes down. But, you lose shot blocking and transition opportunities. There has to be a tradeoff.
In these slow down, half court games, the guards might as well stay back because they aren’t doing anything anyways. Transition will just have to come off turnovers. As bad as the offense is, they hold G’town to about 40 points if they just rebound.
this is exactly right
It’s a trade-off that comes with playing zone, allowing the guards to leak out and having fab challenge every shot. I think you make a good point that in a slowed down game, the reward might not be worth the risk.
by 49982072 on Feb 9, 2012 12:21 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
We won.
I’m happy. Hoya fans are mad. Georgetown sucks. Syracuse doesn’t.
Good night. LET’S GO ORANGE!
Dedicated Syracuse Orange, New York Yankees, New York Jets, New York Knicks and New York Rangers fan. Riding and dying with 'em.
I wasted my time with espn this morning in attempt to catch a piece on SU/g town
Nothing at all for 20 minutes, but there were no less than 7 mentions of unc/duke.
Don’t know why this spun me up, but it did. We’re #2 in nation, we beat our long time rival and I have to listen to the duke radio guy make the rivers ‘call’ 3 times on espn. F them all. As long as we keep winning at some point they’ll be forced to talk about us.
It surprises you
that ESPN ran with UNC/Duke? ESPN’s whole model is based on playing up certain teams, rivalries and/or athletes. For example, in baseball, it’s Red Sox/Yanks. In College Basketball, it’s Duke/UNC and in golf, it’s Tiger. Doesn’t matter what else is going on in that sport that might be better or more interesting, they will always go with first and/or concentrate more on those teams and/or athletes.
When we're spanking them and dominating the conference
We’ll get all the pub we want, and we’ll be loved nationally for being the team that shuts duke and UNC up every season.
It will be fun to watch ESPN analysts head explode as they try to simultaneously explain how Duke/UNC are great and SU is flawed, while SU is beating them. Look forward to lots of unconvincing moral victories for Duke and UNC in future years.
More Importantly
Look at the score, 84-82. Either they don’t play defense, or everyone shoots 100%. I like syracuse’s tempo in that conference better then with teams like ND and Gtown.
A war of attrition
The only way to describe it. Both teams under 65 point…in an OT game. Both teams shot under 35% from the floor. An old school Big East style slug fest and given the fact that Syracuse came out on top, it couldn’t have gotten any better. Key stats.
KJ, 29 points, 9-20 FG, 6-11 3pt, 5-6 FT, 5 reb 3 stl. I won’t go on a “here’s our go-to guy” diatribe. KJ’s game spoke for itself. No one else outside of Fab played particularly well, so KJ had to carry them and he did it in spectacular fashion.
Fab, 11 pts, 7 rebs, 6 blk. It’s amazing to see Fab improving so fast. I mean, he was a completely different player between last season and the start of this season. And he’s a completely different player between the start of this season and now. If he continues to get better at this rate, we’ll have to legitimately worry about him leaving, cuz he’ll be a lottery pick.
Syracuse, 8-24 3pt. Normally I’d say this is far too many 3pt attempts, but I’m not mad at it this time for a few reasons. For one, they were mostly good shots, mainly coming off of drive and kick action. For everyone outside of Fab, Rak and Melo, that’s a good shot. Two, they still shot around their average. And three, KJ accounted for almost half the attempts and all but 2 of the makes. Again, normally I’d complain about KJ taking so many 3s, but I’ll take it for all the same reasons I don’t mind the team totals. I’ll second Paul Harris’ in-game tweet, though. The Orange can’t think the 3 ball is going to bail them out every game.
Hoyas, 48 rebs, 20 Oreb. The stat that everyone is talking about. Terrible, terrible work on the glass. Deplorable. Putrid. Disgusting. Feel free to add other adjectives as you see fit. I mean, Otto Porter had as many rebounds (9) in the first half as the entire Orange team. In a game like this that’s played primarily in the half court, rebounding is paramount. I know that the guards tend to hang out to set up the break, but I agree with one of the earlier comments. When it’s obvious that it’s not going to be a running game, the guards need to abandon the break, except on TOs, and help out on the glass.
Otto Porter, 14 pts, 13 rebs. Kid killed Syracuse, plain and simple. I’ll admit, I don’t look forward to playing him in the future.
A great game between great teams locked in a great rivalry. I’ll admit, the Duke UNC game was great. But this one was just as good.
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