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Syracuse vs. Georgetown: Hoyas Bring Rivalry, Sour Grapes To Dome

When you look at the history of the Big East, the Syracuse Orange and Georgetown Hoyas were the two schools most responsible for building the conference, and not just for what occurred on the court. So it's with more than a tinge of regret that we enter what is sure to be one of the final Big East contests with them on Wednesday.

But what's that you say? That's not how some Georgetown fans see it? Well enlighten me, how do they see it?

As Syracuse prepares to slink off to the ACC, it's possible that we won't see the Hoyas in the Carrier Dome anytime soon. The Big East will also be different, but no worse for the loss of Syracuse. The Big East became an institution in the 1980's. Looking at the numbers this much is clear - Georgetown made the Big East and the Big East made Syracuse.

...Syracuse will miss the Big East a lot more than the Big East will miss Syracuse.

My goodness, if that's not the most Georgetown thing I've ever read, I don't know what is.

I think I've got it now. If it weren't for Georgetown, there would be no Syracuse and hence, there would be no move to the ACC. Got it. Georgetown's going with the "we were really awesome 30 years ago and you owe us for that" approach. Noted and recorded.

It's the perfect Big East mantra, really. "We have tradition! We have legacy! We might not be quite what we used to be, but...it's still real to us, dammit!"

Look, it's not our fault you didn't have the foresight to see that college athletics was about football revenue. Just like the Big East itself, you can't expect those of us that did (and built a quality stadium all the way back in 1980) to wait around for you to figure it out.

That said, yes, let the record show that we think it sucks that our rivalry is ending. Syracuse fans are not happy to see the Georgetown series end, or at least end as a conference battle.

We are, however, realists. We move forward, living in the present. You can live in the past (and considering almost everything written so far on Casual Hoya is about how Georgetown dominated Syracuse in the 1980's, it looks like they are).

Star-divide

ANYWAY, the Georgetown blog Vox Populi takes a pragmatic approach to breaking down the history between our schools, making an excellent point. While most college rivalries are born of geography (Duke - UNC, Mich - OSU, Florida - Florida St.), Syracuse and Georgetown grew merely out of the simple fact that we were both almost always very good. Syracuse vs. Georgetown mattered every single time.

Of course, they then go one to use two instances 30 years apart to paint Syracuse fans as scumbags while glossing over their own player and fan indiscretions, but, such is fandom. I can dig that.

To be sure, I'll miss all of this. They're right when they say it won't be the same when we play Wake Forest, Georgia Tech or Florida State in the Dome. Those rivalries will take years to develop, saturate with emotion and form into must-win contests against hated foes. If they ever do.

Unfortunately, those above both Syracuse and Georgetown's pay grade set in motion the events (or lack thereof) that will end the rivalry. If that quote from above is correct, if Georgetown made the Big East and the Big East made Syracuse, then perhaps it's only fitting that Syracuse knew when to walk away while Georgetown sank with it's creation.

Syracuse expects 30,000-plus fans for Wednesday's game against Georgetown...Syracuse.com

Important Georgetown-Syracuse Information: A Flowchart for Sound Decision-Making...HoyaSuxa

Syracuse scouting report: Georgetown...The Juice Online

Former Player Looks Back to the Beginning of the Georgetown-Syracuse Rivalry...Casual Hoya

A Tradition Unlike Any Other: The Wager with Hoya Suxa on Georgetown-Syracuse 2012...Casual Hoya

Georgetown, Syracuse Set to Clash at Carrier Dome...The Hoya

SU students camp out for Georgetown game...YNN

SU, Hoya Students Join To Combat Hunger...SU Athletics

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Revisionist History

Georgetown made Syracuse? Ok, so in the first year of the BIg East (79-80) G’town was 26-6 and ended up 3rd in the conference. SU was 26-4 and won the conference. SU had two NBA players on their roster (Orr, Schayes) and Bouie who played in Europe forever. SU topped out at #2 in the polls, ending at #6 while the Hoyas were not ranked at the end of the season.

Just how was Georgetown leading the way here?

by crashandflash on Feb 7, 2012 4:08 PM EST reply actions  

Congratulations to Georgetown!!!

They are apparently responsible for creating an awful system in which they were relevant for the first 1/3 of so far.

And Jim Boeheim made Syracuse, not the Big East. That is the sense of self-importance that is leading to the demise of the Big East. “We can accept DePaul, the Big East will make them Good.”

Too bad there hasn't always been a DH...then we never would have to hear about this Ruth guy...

by Brad Spontak on Feb 7, 2012 4:10 PM EST reply actions  

I'm sure the Big East will do just fine without Syracuse...

as it tries to figure out how to make a conference work containing teams spanning the entire length of the country… Apparently they need to be delusional to make themselves feel better – I’m sure they’ll pathetically try to rock the Verizon Center for games against Houston, SMU, and UCF only to have those fans overpopulate it as well…

by cuse1727 on Feb 7, 2012 4:21 PM EST reply actions  

*cough*Michael Graham*cough*

We will not rest until we see these capitalist octopuses annihilated.

-Che Marrone

by jpb531 on Feb 7, 2012 4:27 PM EST reply actions  

Georgetown Also Invented the Internet

And Al Gore is pissed to find out it wasn’t him.

"I'm in a Syracuse State Of Mind"
http://www.syracusestateofmind.wordpress.com/

by Orange Chuck on Feb 7, 2012 4:41 PM EST reply actions  

P.S.

Dang you for making me click on that “it’s still real to me” video.

"I'm in a Syracuse State Of Mind"
http://www.syracusestateofmind.wordpress.com/

by Orange Chuck on Feb 7, 2012 4:42 PM EST reply actions  

God that's

depressing

http://www.syracuserugby.com/

by 'CuseRugby on Feb 7, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Not thatr

I needed any more reason to hate Georgetown, but that trolling article on Casual Hoya is a good enough to hate them more. The Big East won’t miss Syracuse.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA.

When ESPN renogiates the Big East TV deal because they have no interest in broadcasting Houston-Depaul let me know if the Big East misses Syracuse. I hope Georgetown fans are ready for their games to be on CBScollegesports network. Don’t know what channel that is? Exactly.

by krackatoan on Feb 7, 2012 4:53 PM EST reply actions  

Syracuse will be laughing all the way to the ACC...

And to the bank. The new TV deal is rumored to be 15 mil per school per year. The Big East pay out per FB school is 3.2 mil per year. Oh, and for non-fb member it’s around 1.5 mil per year.

So, at current rates, remember that it will take Georgetown 10 years (a full decade) to make as much money as SU will make in one year with the ACC. We be gettin’ paid, son!

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2012/02/06/Colleges/ACC-TV.aspx

by cuselaw on Feb 7, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh sweet

Do you guys get that money as fans?

Because that’s the only reason the money argument would make me feel any better as my basketball fan experience went the way of Boston College.

Why so Syracuse?

by HoyaJoker07 on Feb 7, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

FAT CHANCE.

or should I say YOUR MOM CHANCE

Born in '87, Orange fan since '86
I guess I made a twitter, follow @StealthTurkey

by StealthTurkey on Feb 7, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll just say this:

For those of us that have a football team to root for, that ACC money means something even if we will never see a penny. But then, you wouldn’t know about football, so I shan’t bore you with such talk.

Clear eyes, full bologna sandwiches!

by NOLACuse on Feb 7, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

"Hey, dude who doesn't like strawberry milkshakes, you don't have a strawberry milkshake! Haha!"

Do you know which one you and and which one I am, because I’m too tired to explain.

Why so Syracuse?

by HoyaJoker07 on Feb 7, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

So you're excuse for having a shitty football team is that

you don’t like football?

Born in '87, Orange fan since '86
I guess I made a twitter, follow @StealthTurkey

by StealthTurkey on Feb 7, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

YOUR.

Born in '87, Orange fan since '86
I guess I made a twitter, follow @StealthTurkey

by StealthTurkey on Feb 7, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

So if you don't have children, you don't care about children?

Or since your “child” is in special ed, you don’t want to see him grow, nor do you care if he does?

Born in '87, Orange fan since '86
I guess I made a twitter, follow @StealthTurkey

by StealthTurkey on Feb 7, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually, that is why we are here

The basketball schools do not care about football. As such, they wielded their power to make bad decisions that hurt football. The conference would not have folded had they gone out and grabbed teams a few years ago. But the G’towns and St. John’s had a problem adding Boise St but no problem rolling out DePaul.

by orangetundra on Feb 7, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually, no.

I don’t blame you for not caring about football, at least college football. Why would you? But you can’t blame us either. And the lack of concern for football by the basketball only schools is why the Big East is at this crossroads. There may have been a time when the BE could have used its basketball to leverage a TV deal (or network) comparable to something the ACC has, but the leadership was simply not there. So we are forced to bid you adieu.

Clear eyes, full bologna sandwiches!

by NOLACuse on Feb 8, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, adding Memphis isn’t going to help anything. The Big East is doomed. I’m so glad we got out when we did, and hopefully Georgetown will still be in the back seat with their fingers in their ears when the thing drives off a cliff.

Go, fight, and win.

by Alex O on Feb 7, 2012 5:13 PM EST reply actions  

I read that column on http://blog.georgetownvoice.com

And it only reminded me of what a complete toolbag John Thompson was. Boeheim has his issues but I can’t imagine him ever being so disrespectful to another coach. Georgetown can kiss my bare ass in McDonald’s at noontime

by mrbaskums on Feb 7, 2012 6:03 PM EST reply actions  

"Enjoy the football, and if you're ever in NYC the first week or March, stop in the Garden - they'll be playing some real basketball in there. "

Yeah, it will be the ACC championship in a few years. Have fun holding the BET in Atlantic City in a few years.

It’s 8:21 … and Georgetown still sucks.

http://cusepulp.blogspot.com/

by Lots of Pulp on Feb 7, 2012 8:21 PM EST reply actions  

Wait are you saying

MSG doesn’t want that glorious Rutgers Seton Hall Rivalry putting butts in the seats?

by fatmofo55 on Feb 7, 2012 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure they do.

It’s the UCF-Providence showdown they probably won’t be thrilled about. Or was it the Depaul – Houston matchup? I lose track these days.

Clear eyes, full bologna sandwiches!

by NOLACuse on Feb 8, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

SD State is football only

But they still have to schlepp to Houston and SMU

by cuse2012 on Feb 7, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

you guys do know how air travel works, right?

it’s easier and quite possibly cheaper to fly a team to Houston or Dallas than to Canada…err…upstate new york.

by thejerseytornado on Feb 8, 2012 8:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Do... do you guys not charter planes?

It’s a lot more expensive to fly from New Jersey (or DC) to Houston than it is to fly from New Jersey (or DC) to Syracuse. Unless you’re flying commercial, then you may get some good deals. Does your team fly commercial?

by Mike I. on Feb 8, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

i have no idea.

but charter flights are normally billed on a per-hour basis and it’s only one extra hour to houston from DC than to Syracuse, so you’re talking about a difference of, maybe, $5000 an hour.

basically, the idea that it’s somehow much of a “schlepp” to Houston or SMU when you guys are in bumblefuck NY is just not much of an argument. Nevermind the advantage to recruiting that having trips to Houston can provide (Yates is a basketball powerhouse).

by thejerseytornado on Feb 8, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Great circle from DC to Syracuse is under 300 miles
From DC to Houston is over 1200.

Do you really think that isn’t a gigantic and significant difference? And no, it’s not based on a per hour basis. There are things called fuel, ground crews, landing fees, etc. The difference in fuel alone between coming here and going to Texas is massive.

by cuse2012 on Feb 8, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

my guess is
  1. Louisville leaves (with Cinci or Rutgers) for Big 12
  2. non-football schools leave to form new conference with Xavier and Dayton, because new Big East basketball is not the Big East basketball they signed up for (Memphis is not enough to convince them)
  3. ND and UConn leave for ACC because ND doesn’t want its other sports in the Catholic Basketball League
  4. Big East agrees to sell non-football schools’ new conference the Big East name

by drothgery on Feb 7, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions  

First Final Four

Cuse: 1975
G-Town: 1982
Who made who?
Suck it, clowns.

by Skortchaser on Feb 7, 2012 9:51 PM EST reply actions  

Also

National Championships
Georgetown: 1
Syracuse: 1

Final Fours
Georgetown: 5 (1st in 1943, so who cares)
Syracuse: 4

Final Fours in the last 20 years
Georgetown: 1
Syracuse: 1

National Titles in the last 20 years
Georgetown: 0
Syracuse: 1

Good for you, Hoyas. That 1943 Final Four appearance really made us into the Syracuse we are today, and makes you so much better than us. Thank you SOOO much. We are eternally grateful.

http://cusepulp.blogspot.com/

by Lots of Pulp on Feb 8, 2012 9:10 AM EST up reply actions  

They should all be piss happy

We are finally letting them play in a conference against teams they can dominate.

by Pinker on Feb 8, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

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