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'But Where Does He Rank?': Our Weird Need To Put Everything In Its Place

There is no day that better illustrates our lack of restraint when it comes to quantifying things than the day after the Super Bowl.

How many conversations have you had today that somehow involved trying to figure out whether or not Eli Manning is elite or where he ranks on the all-time quarterback list? Or whether or not Tom Brady is "done," whatever that means.

And of course, "where does this Super Bowl rank on the all-time list?" Is it one of the greatest Super Bowls ever played or one of the worst? We have to know. It's important.

Where does it rank amongst Giant victories and Patriots losses? (As a Giants fan, with as much perspective as I can muster, I say it has to rank fourth. I mean, the other three were our first-ever SB win, beating the Bills in the best Super Bowl ever and then beating the undefeated Pats last time. Hard to top any of them).

And it's not just the game itself. We have to discuss what the best commercials and worst commercials were this year and where each of those rank all-time as well. If we don't decide right now in this very moment, just hours after it all happened, how will we know?

It's how we operate these days. Some people like to say its social media' fault but that's nonsense. We've been doing this long before there was Twitter. Not to say that the Twitter experience can be marred by such events. Ever been on Twitter after someone dies? Not five minutes go by before everyone lays their final judgement down on the life of a deceased.

If you ever want a reason to explain why Skip Bayless rules ESPN on TV and Colin Cowherd on ESPN radio, this is your answer. Those two numbnuts exemplify the "quick, loud and definitive" way we digest information these days.

The Bleacher Reportification, as it were. If I can't boil it down to a Top Ten Slideshow, it's not worth discussing.

Star-divide

Syracuse Orange basketball fans can find a direct correlation between this and the reaction we had to criticism this season. If you think about it, what mostly pissed us off was everyone's need to put this team in a box. "They're not elite." "They don't have the seven things every championship teams needs." "They're not one of the top three teams in the nation." Maybe people weren't saying those exact phrases but it was the basis for almost all of them.

We're guilty of it too but I think the sane fans among us know that it's a fools errand to assign any label to this Syracuse team. One of the best team's ever? How can you even say that right now? They have yet to play the toughest part of their schedule, the Big East Tournament and the NCAA Tournament. As far as anyone is concerned, we know nothing about this or any other college basketball team right now. There's no way anyone can compare this team to the '03 one or the '10 one because this team has yet to even get close to the finish line.

So why do people do it? Why would someone like Jeff Goodman write a column about how this Kentucky Wildcats team, which hasn't even finished the season yet, could beat an NBA team? Because of the reasons I mentioned up top there. It's how we communicate these days, especially in sports. We need to know if Kentucky can beat the Toronto Raptors, even if it will never happen.

What's great about that column is that there's a chance Kentucky could lose in the 2nd round of the NCAA Tournament this year and no one will ever remember the 2011-2012 Kentucky Wildcats other than UK fans. I mean, remember ESPN's ill-fated series about the USC Trojans football team leading up to their title game against Vince Yong's Texas Longhorns? Each day, ESPN would try to measure whether or not this Trojan squad could beat an all-time great team from the past? In the end, they couldn't even beat the team right in front of them and the entire discussion looked silly.

At this point, when someone takes a shot at Syracuse or ranks us low, our disgust is more of an ironic disgust. At least, to me it is. We went through our phase of taking it so serious and came out the other end with the knowledge that none of their opinions matter because the only thing that matters is who wins the championship at the end of the season.

In the meantime, you can make a fool of yourself and rank this team against the all-time greats. You can try to figure out whether this is the best defense we've ever played. You can even figure out who would win, this team or the 2003 title team if you like. It's all meaningless discussion meant to fill space, newspapers, blogs, airwaves and tweets.

If we're lucky enough to watch this squad go all the way to the National Title game, I could care less whether or not the game is "better" than the 2003 one. All I care about is whether or not we win. You can have your ranking.

And yes, to answer your initial question, Eli Manning is an "elite" quarterback, whatever that means.

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not in any major sport, no

I wouldn’t be too shocked if a lacrosse team or a women’s soccer or basketball team could, though.

by drothgery on Feb 6, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I would take the '89 Lax team against a pro Lax team.

possibly the ’08 and ’09 teams also.

A Georgetown degree is life's technical foul. - H/T HoyaSuxa

by theNYsportsguy on Feb 6, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but not if the pro team had as much practice time as the college team.

'Cuse 2010, Michigan 2012

by Orange22 on Feb 6, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I would still take the greatest lax player of all time

and his brother. Not to mention Zulberti and Thomas Marechek, who have 7 AA between them.

A Georgetown degree is life's technical foul. - H/T HoyaSuxa

by theNYsportsguy on Feb 6, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

You forget that the Pro lax team could also include those players

It could even have an attack line of Gary Gait, Tom Marechek, and Mikey Powell. 3 of the best offensive players ever.

'Cuse 2010, Michigan 2012

by Orange22 on Feb 6, 2012 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

huh?

ESPN would kill us, we’re both the home and away team?

A Georgetown degree is life's technical foul. - H/T HoyaSuxa

by theNYsportsguy on Feb 7, 2012 7:40 AM EST up reply actions  

everyone on a pro lax team

was an all american. You have AAs coming off the bench. On those teams if we have 6 or 7 AAs it was a stacked year

May Doug Marrone bless you and keep you.

by ryanwk628 on Feb 6, 2012 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

those arent the things that gets me pissed off

its the fact that they say su cant be better then a unc or uk because of talent level or upside. And the basis of these things have nothing to do with actually watching the players play but just what they thought about players before the season started (these idiots are never wrong about that…. see shabazz napier being a lotto pick in gary parrish’s preseason mock draft.), and box scoring stats. If you really think about it, and look up the definition of upside su would probably have as much or more then the 2 teams i mentioned, have a dominant center that has only been playing basketball for a few years and still playing at the level he is. They have mcd all american future pros, that havent even scratched the surface of what they can do on the court. Have tons off highley athletic raw talent that will develope more and more as the season goes on but already playing at a high level. Also have guys like krisjo and brandon triche, who could totally take over a game and put up huge numbers every night if theyre heads are right. they will have nba draft picks and even though most of them might not go this year (im predictin 3-5 this yr depending on who stays and how scoop finishes the season) they have more from this team most likley for next years draft. Look at unc for example, these are guys who what you see is what you get, they may become more consistent as the season goes on but their talent level is what it its. Also these people dont take in to account intangible factors like, experience, toughness, and chemistry which this team def has more then those others. They can rank us however they want (lower then 2 would be wrong tho based on the resume and what they have done this season factoring in the fact that they didnt have melo for 3 games so in reality being ranked 1 makes more sense) but saying this team can never be better then uk and unc is completely ridiculous and people whodo that are complete morons, who let personal opinions and allegences interfere with professional journalism. (cough gary parrish, goodman, mainley anyone at cbssports.com, espn has actually been pretty accurate this year.)

by kevin66l on Feb 6, 2012 4:28 PM EST reply actions  

No reason to get worked up

SU has the perfect chance to prove all the haters wrong: the NCAA tournament. If SU wins 6 in a row, they cut down the nets in New Orleans and it doesn’t matter if they beat Kentucky, or Western Kentucky in the final. SU needs to remain focused on the next game, and not get too far ahead of themselves. Remember the NFL analysts were talking about a Packers repeat 5 weeks ago? When the games were actually played, that talk was squashed when the Pack couldn’t win a single playoff game. In fact, they were blown out by the champs. These types of articles are written to get clicks, and I’m pretty sure that some of, if not all of, the online journalists are judged in part by the number of clicks an article gets. Therefore, the author has some motivation to write something that has a tendency to anger some fans, because they read a headline they don’t like (or do like) and they will click the link to read the article. The quality of the article takes a back seat to how incendiary it is. Some guys, like Skip Bayless, have parlayed borderline talent into a lengthy career this way. This may not seem like journalism, but how many actual journalists work at CBS, ESPN or Yahoo any more? Not that many. Too many Mark Schwarzes and not enough Peter Gammonses (who left ESPN for mlb.com by the way). We may not like it, but that’s how the internet has transformed journalists. We consume the equivalent of articles that are fast food, and if it (the article) hasn’t grabbed our attention in the first 30 seconds, we are probably navigating away from it.

by orangeskin on Feb 6, 2012 4:57 PM EST reply actions  

shit

the Cuse still have a better backcourt than the Knicks

G-Mac bitches

BC 2011

by jdguggs10 on Feb 6, 2012 5:06 PM EST reply actions  

The New York Necks

have a better backcourt then the Knicks.

by fatmofo55 on Feb 6, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I like how this article

was immediately preceded by the one where we discuss SU’s rankings in the various polls.

Shut up brain or I'll stab you with a Q-tip

by MrPlow99 on Feb 7, 2012 12:26 PM EST reply actions  

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