Unhappy St. John's Fans
by IraSez on Feb 6, 2012 10:18 AM EST
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If haven't seen this, you should take a look. The St. John's faithful (all 10 of them) are very unhappy about this past weekend's events at MSG. I'm not sure these people realize the current state of things in the Big East or the fact that they are playing in a league that is on the verge of losing it's luster. Instead of bitching at us for leaving, why don't they bitch at the folks who caused this mess.
Bitter and sad state of affairs for these folks, funny reading for us. http://www.redmen.com/forum/4-redmentalk/17831-things-that-bugged-me-about-todays-syracuse-game.html
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"Things that bugged me about today's Syracuse game"
Aside from the Johnnies getting spanked hard.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
Yeah, that site has been a world of fun
A couple of us posted some incredibly hilarious quotes from there in one of the other threads
Reading their thread right now.
It looks like spelling is not their strong suit.
Also, one of the guys is complaining that we’re standing? Well IF YOU ARE AT A SPORTING EVENT AND YOU ARE SITTING YOU HAVE A SERIOUS PROBLEM.
They do have a valid point
with their fans selling tickets though. Just b/c the team sucks doesn’t mean you should pawn off great tickets to the highest bidder. Would you want to sit next to georgetown fans on Wednesday? Well, hypothetical fans?
Without Gerry McNamara we wouldn't have won 10 f-- games, not 10
I can't understand them selling tickets either
It’s a game that goes back 100 years.
In state rival.
- team in the nation that spent 6 weeks #1.
I can’t understand why someone would buy season tickets if they don’t have respect for the school’s history and love of the game, no matter what they think is going to happen in the game.
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by theNYsportsguy on Feb 6, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Guy who started that thread
was in the same section I was. Glad I could help make his stay in the Dome more enjoyable.
Wait, what? That wasn’t the Dome? I call bulls&#%.
A Georgetown degree is life's technical foul. - H/T HoyaSuxa
Jim Boeheim is Mick Jagger of college basketball. He gets cooler as he gets older. - Jay Wright
I was in that section too
I was also happy to help in any way i could to ruin his day. Me and my buddy stood the wholllle game, i just wish i was in the row ahead of him. He was a complete tool. He actually went and got an usher to have the guy in front of him sit down, its a freaking basketball game bud stand up get into jeez. And if i remember correctly he didn’t even have red on, wasn’t he wearing a black sweater? yea what a supper alumni/fan he was…
Can't have it both ways
If we had a 75/25 split at MSG, doesn’t that feed the argument that MSG is not a road game and only arguably neutral.
Compare that to the atmosphere of Notre Dame and Cincy. The fans helped their teams in both games. THOSE are road games.
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Normally I agree with your posts but
It’s not our fault their fans sold their tickets to the opposing teams better fans. If it’s not in the Dome, and not in the other teams home building it’s a neutral site game. A road game is a road game. If our fans weren’t so great and theirs so shitty maybe the Johnnies would have seen the support and pushed harder and made a game out of it.
A Georgetown degree is life's technical foul. - H/T HoyaSuxa
Jim Boeheim is Mick Jagger of college basketball. He gets cooler as he gets older. - Jay Wright
by theNYsportsguy on Feb 6, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Who said it was anyone's fault?
All I am saying is that we cannot be proud of how MSG is our home away from home, but then get all bent out of shape when someone TV says it is too. Until everyone stops crying about every thing ESPN says, I will continue to point out the hypocrisy.
A road game is a useful metric because it shows how teams perform in a hostile environment. We had anything but a hostile environment. It is what it is.
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I agree with the spirit of what you're saying
and agree that the ESPN Anti-Syracuse Conspiracy Theorists have definitely gone above and beyond all reason this year, but I don’t really see anyone on either side complaining about this one. As far as I’ve seen, nobody at ESPN has gone out of their way to say this was not a road game, nor has anyone on this site complained about it.
I really think we as a fanbase shouldn’t get worked up about complaints that MSG is decidedly pro-Cuse. If anything, that should be a point of pride. I would love to see us consistently schedule a home-and-home or two at a time with a decent BCS-caliber program to end this “reputation” Syracuse has for its schedule but the ACC move and an annual Georgetown/St. Johns series will render that complaint mostly moot anyway.
It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.
by Girardi Party on Feb 6, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
when Duke goes to UNC
its still a road game even though its right down the road. It doesnt matter whos in the stands. If its in either teams home building, its a home game for them and a road game for the other team.
If we played at Lemoyne and it was 100% SU fans it would still be a road game. If PSU played @ SU and their fans bought ever ticket so it was 99% PSU fans, it would still be a road game for them.
This BS about whats a road game and whats not is a joke. We take issue with it because they penalize us for having good fans that travel well, as if us being supporters hurts the team.
May Doug Marrone bless you and keep you.
I don't think anyone doubts that we get huge crowds anywhere we go
But when that’s the case, you can pretty much say anything is a “practical home game”. We have huge numbers of fans relative to he home team when we play at Rutgers, Providence, Seton Hall, ‘Nova, G’Town, USF, DePaul, etc. etc. etc. Hell, even when we played Florida in Tampa. Maybe not more than them, but a large ratio. By that logic, practically everything we play is a home game
Kentucky had what looked like more fans in Columbia than the Gamecocks did, but nobody thinks of counting that as something other than a road game.
How is that our fault?
We should be penalized because we have awesome fans?
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Again
How is FAULT a part of this? Who is PENALIZING anyone?
If Georgetown suspends all of their scholarship players and we beat their walk-ons… great, we won. Not our fault that Georgetown was not at full strength. Georgetown did not penalize us.
And does that tell us anything useful about our team? It would have been better to play them full strength.
And, for people who do rankings and have to separate teams, beating Oklahoma State or Georgia Tech in its arena is more impressive than beating Oklahoma State in Los Angeles. It just is. It doesn’t matter who you are or where it is.
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MSG isn't a "neutral site" when we play St. John's.
That’s a St. John’s home game—ipso facto, a Syracuse road game. They consider MSG a home arena the same way Nova does with the Wachovia Center. Nobody’s saying @Nova in the Wachovia Center is a neutral site game. This is no different.
You originally advanced the notion above that Saturday wasn’t really a road game because of fan support, and I think there’s a distinction to be made. In the eyes of the Selection Committee / pollsters / record books / talking heads, that was unequivocally a road game. PBP. In terms of being a hostile environment for building team character and other nebulous qualities attached to road games, though, you’re right: it really wasn’t.
I think Sean (and others) are defending the first point, and you’re defending the second point. Neither side is wrong. It WAS a road game officially, but it WASN’T in spirit because of the friendly atmosphere. I don’t think, in this instance, Syracuse is being punished for that.
It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.
by Girardi Party on Feb 6, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Not at all
Re-read what I said. I never advanced any such notion at all.
All I said is that, if we can get 75% of MSG against St. Johns, doesn’t that SUPPORT—rather than refute—the suggestion that games at MSG are quasi-home games for us?
The bottom line is that the win over St. Johns does not tell me nearly as much as the games against Providence, Notre Dame, Cincy, Louisville, UConn, Rutgers, etc., will. In those games, part of the adversity will be an imposing road environment. Not merely the absence of being in the Dome.
Regardless, the issue was never whether the games qualified as road, home, or neutral in the final tally—-but whether the games truly live up to the label provided. If Syracuse played a “neutral” game at Lemoyne against Canisius… would that REALLY be neutral? It will be called neutral…but not mean nearly as much as playing that same exact game in Hilton Head or San Antonio would. Ergo… the concept of a “true road game.”
If we can get 75% of the stands at a “St. Johns home game,” what chance did Va Tech or Stanford have of playing in a truly neutral venue? And wasn’t that the same argument we made when playing Kansas in Kansas City? “No fair, that was like a home game for Kansas.” We’ll cry about it does not go our way, but then we will not admit it when it goes our way. Is it possible for a majority of this fan base to ever stop whining about everything?
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I'm going to start whining about how reasonable you are.
YOU RUIN EVERYTHING EZ.
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by StealthTurkey on Feb 6, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
I think the ACC move is going to kill off a lot of our travelling fan base
Right now? Syracuse is within about 6 hours of 8 Big East schools, a little more from about 4 others. You can travel for games if you want to. Almost all the ACC games (except Pitt and BC (ug)) – -you’d need to get on a flight unless you lived within a few hours of the other schools home site.
So, I think a lot of our traveling fan base days might come to an end soon, sadly.
I disagree
We had a crapload of fans at NC State, and we never have any problems packing the house in places like Tampa or Chicago, and that’s playing against crummy teams. Not to mention all the DC alumni will takeover the Comcast Center, and I’d expect a lot of those to travel down to UVA, as well. I think there are really only four places- UNC and Duke (tough ticket to get) and FSU and Clemson (out of the way places away from any large alumni base).
Agree with 2012
There is a decent enough contingent of alums in the NC triad area. Hell, 80% of the time I hear/read about alums that are upset that they can’t get to games or get games on TV, they’re from NC. Now, I don’t expect the type of takeovers like the Orange get in MSG or the Verizon center, but I think there would be a good showing wherever tix available (UNC and Duke would likely be nearly impossible to get).
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Feb 7, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
Not in the student section
Apparently….we should take that over when we get there.
And it will take ACC athletic departments a few years
to realize they should stop selling tickets to Cuse fans ;-)
Eh Im sad still about the end of an era where I can travel readily to support the team. Most of Syracuse is too. NC/Southern Cuse Fans, I pass the torch to you!
You see this right here:
Those f’ing Syracuse fans. Come on you morons – starting a “Let’s go Orange chant” when you are up by 25 points is way uncool. The game was over, you are whipping a six man team of first year pleyers with an undersized front line, and you are acting like its nip and tuck against Kentucky. F’ all of you SU losers.
HEY GUYS!!! HEY! HEY! THEY’RE TALKING ABOUT ME!!!!!!!!!
%$#* ’em if they cant take a joke.
Cause John at the bar is a friend of mine.
We were cheering on our second team, full of underclassmen.
A Georgetown degree is life's technical foul. - H/T HoyaSuxa
Jim Boeheim is Mick Jagger of college basketball. He gets cooler as he gets older. - Jay Wright
by theNYsportsguy on Feb 6, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Again, I can see why they are angry
They don’t realize how emotional that game was because they only seen the score. Fab back in the lineup restored the championship hopes. After 3 tough games, a blowout just let everyone express their emotions. Sucks it happened there, but blame your school for putting that game in a neutral venue instead of on campus.
by orangetundra on Feb 6, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
get angry at their program for sucking
and hell, get angry at us too if it makes you feel better, frankly I’m surprised we seem to give such a shit about their fans at all.
F#&% the Big East
Up/Down by 25
Yet the Johnnies were still pressing until the last possession.
THIS.
You CANNOT—as a coach, opposing player, opposing fan, whatever—get mad when a team has a flashy play or keeps pouring on the points if you’re still pressing like it was a two-possession game. A good example was Fab’s 360 dunk at the buzzer against Villanova. Perhaps a bit in poor taste, yes… but if you didn’t press and just played a token zone or man to man D, Syracuse wouldn’t have taken a shot.
It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.
by Girardi Party on Feb 6, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Yes yes yes
All the complaints about running up the score when we have freaking Reese and Resavy out there and they’re pressing.
Hell, even if they’re not pressing, they’re walk-ons for Christ’s sake.
I see their resentment
But they need to put some blame on the TV talking heads who have spent the past few years declaring MSG a Syracuse home court. So, when SU fans arrive, they are going to have a little fun with it and act like they do in the Dome. If they don’t like it, put the games in the on campus gym. You can’t blame Syracuse fans when it is really St. John’s that is trying to squeeze a few bucks out of the game. Turn your anger inward.
Pretty lame complaining about the dunks late in the game. Must be their first game because that always happens in 25 point bore-fests.
I don't think putting it in their on campus gym would matter
Something tells me the crowd would still be SU partisans.
F#&% the Big East
Not only that
But the “flashy dunks at the end” came with 9 minutes left in the game…..
Rutgirls game
A couple of seasons ago, we played at RU during winter break and the place was probably 70/30 Orange. Student section was almost all Orange because they had sold their tix knowing they couldn’t be at the game. Reporters for the Star-Ledger went crazy over this.
The Jonny Flynn teabag dunk game.
A Georgetown degree is life's technical foul. - H/T HoyaSuxa
Jim Boeheim is Mick Jagger of college basketball. He gets cooler as he gets older. - Jay Wright
by theNYsportsguy on Feb 6, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Wait
You mean this game?
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Feb 6, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
Also
It was after that game that they stopped selling tix to Syracuse fans.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Feb 6, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
SJU Gripes
I live in the city and they should be embarassed by their turnout. I’ve been to several games of theirs at MSG this season and they don’t even come close to selling out. When they play Duke is mostly Duke fans. Lavin was supposed to be the guy carving out this great St. John’s identity – yet he sits in a luxury box during games and is on the road recruiting but won’t sit on the bench. Gimme a break. It’s not our fault they have all those freshman. It’s THEIR fault their fans don’t show up or sell their tickets. If I was a die hard SJU fan I’d be pissed – but not at the SU fans – I’d be pissed at their students, alumni and local people who root for them for not turning up. I love in their posts how they say they hope their AD doesn’t give in and schedule us when we go to the ACC. Well, if you want to make $ you should, because getting 10K in MSG for Villanova isn’t paying the bills. SU packs the house. They actually should play on campus. Then they’d have an advantage. And lastly – when I got home from MSG I looked at the game on DVR. Their student section had a guy holding up a sign that said BOEHEIM KNEW. Classless. Maybe I should hold up a sign with the names of all the pedophile Catholic priests ? (Spoken as an Irish Catholic).
Remember
Boeheim did know, he was informed in 2005 during the SU investigation, which led nowhere which led him to assume that Bernie was innocent and it was extortion.
Boeheim knew very well
in 2005 that this whole thing was bullshit just like he still knows it now. Only thing the Johnnies got right all day.
F#&% the Big East
The Pope Knew
Actually, I think he did.
by orangetundra on Feb 6, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
In fairness to Lavin, he is going through a tough battle that Boeheim went through himself
But i don’t get how he can keep travelling around the country recruiting if he can’t coach.
Right on about the "Boeheim Knew" stuff
These dudes wanna talk about “class” and their fans are chanting “Bernie Fine” and holding up signs like that? Pot, meet kettle.
I will agree, though. “Boeheim Knew,” all right….that SU would whoop the Johnnies’ asses.
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Proper spelling not a requirement
I laughed out loud at the guy that wrote we were “obnoxious pieces of dog FIECES”.
I saw that too
And had myself a little chuckle.
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by FeloniousPhunk on Feb 6, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Change of perspective, Let's all pretend that we've been here before
You can’t really blame SJU fans for being pissed at us. 1. we wrecked them. 2. we took over their building. 3. we’re leaving the conference. As fun and as easy as it is, I see no point in jumping on these guys. What’s the point? We beat them on the court, and they haven’t relevant as a basketball school in 20 years.
Someone once told me that when you’re cool, you’re cool all the time. Karmicly speaking, let’s think of ourselves as the best program in the country, that we’ve been here before, and that there is no use in belittling a team or it’s fanbase after they’ve been crushed. Let’s focus our hate and discontent at a program that really deserves it, like Georgetown. Militarily speaking, sometimes you have to drop bombs in crowded neighborhoods to get the job done, and there is collateral damage, women and children, so to speak. I take little pleasure from destroying overmatched teams like SJU or DePaul…they are collateral damage on our way to the BE title. If they bitch about the reasons they lost the game, or how our fans acted, let ’em. Paying attention to that crap is beneath us now.
Let’s kick ass, and move on the next one. Don’t worry about how badly the fans from other teams feel about getting beat.
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by Benny The Red on Feb 6, 2012 12:38 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
+1
Oh, look at me! I'm making people happy. I'm the magical man from. Happyland in a gumdrop house on Lollipop Laaane! Oh, by the way, I was being sarcastic.
Thank you
for refocusing my hate in the proper direction – F’ Georgetown.
May Doug Marrone bless you and keep you.
Brian Cook of mgoblog
does a brilliant feature called “”http://www.sbnation.com/authors/brian-cook" >This Week in Schadenfreude" for SBNation during college football season, in which he publishes the best/worst of violent fan overreactions following losses. The slop he finds on message boards / blog comments are hysterical. I wonder if there’s a similar publication for college basketball? If not, I may have to start one. And in any case, this St. John’s stuff is classic.
While I do agree with Benny The Red that we probably don’t need to spike the football, sometimes it’s fun to read that stuff. Most years, that’s us, and it could very well be us come March. Smoke if you got ’em.
It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.
by Girardi Party on Feb 6, 2012 1:06 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Sorry, but I can't help myself
And I’m sorry, rivalries with NC State, Wake Forest, Clemson, and yes, even Duke and UNC, will not be the same as the Orange rivalries with UCONN, Georgetown and ND. Now, having said that, they’ll still be playing Pitt and they may develop a new rivalry with BC
“New rivalry with BC”. Yeah, we’ve never played them before…..
We have a rivalry with Notre Dame?
And we already only play Georgetown once. We will play them once when we leave the Big East as well.
We have a rivalry with Notre Dame?
Only in football!
I dont care about UConn, their coach is on the way out, their campus sucks, their arena is awful…. I think there is going to be a major drop off there.
Georgetown we should sign an even split alternating series from now until forever. Let it be so.
As for St. John’s, I know JB still thinks they matter, but he is old and we give him a pass on that one.
May Doug Marrone bless you and keep you.
Gotta love the sneak attack
There were some St. John’s students in front of us today (or so we thought) who came in a group of about 5 or 6, all wearing red and ready to root for us so it seemed. A few minutes into the game one of the so-called St. John’s student takes off his red STJ shirt and throws it on the chair to reveal his orange SU t-shirt. Someone asked him about & one if the guys still wearing red said that they needed to do that so he could get into the student section with them. They brought SU fans with them disguised as STJ fans until they got to their seats. Unreal
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of Ninjitsu. Its a secret school that teaches the ways of the Ninja.
How the hell
did you type changed instead of trained?
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by theNYsportsguy on Feb 6, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
That's beautiful!!!
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by StealthTurkey on Feb 6, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
ha I was in Section 109
My ticket definitely had St Johns written all over but I didn’t realize it was the Alumni Section. I counted 5 people in red in the section, and one was just screaming “Boeheim knew!” over and over again. Until the shellacking started that is.
So interesting how all those 8×11 photos of Laurie Fine went down 4 min into the game. thats a lot of wasted paper
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What's interesting
is that it took random fans probably 10 minutes to find a picture of Laurie Fine, yet it took ESPN 7 years to validate what her voice sounded like.
Without Gerry McNamara we wouldn't have won 10 f-- games, not 10
by PoetryInMoten on Feb 7, 2012 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
I honestly don't see what the big deal is
Am I supposed to be shocked that the home team’s fans are angry that their team got absolutely crushed, at home, and the visiting team’s alumni, which are known for populating that city, flooded in to watch? I’d be angry too if it happened to us.
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