Syracuse Football Opponent Update: Pickins Gettin' Slimmer
by Sean Keeley on Feb 21, 2012 12:01 PM EST
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PrintA week ago, we took a look at the few schools left to fill the open fifth and sixth slots on the Syracuse Orange 2012 football schedule. Since then, Doc Gross put the kibosh on the Rutgers two-fer, the Boise State possibility remains just that and the Orange still have two open spots on their schedule.
Hopefully, the gears are in motion to fill them sooner than later because quite a few of the schools on that list have filled their open spots.
Arkansas and Rutgers agreed to a series, Houston completed it's schedule with North Texas, both Oklahoma and Oklahoma State filled their two open slots, Middle Tennessee grabbed a game against McNeese, Texas A&M added two games, UAB filled its schedule, UL-Lafayette is all set and UTEP doesn't need us.
And so, removing the current Big East schools from the mix, that leaves...
That's not terribly reassuring. Especially when you remember that Pittsburgh and Cincy still need to fill two slots as well and Rutgers, USF and UConn still have a spot to fill.
If the Boise State situation sorts itself out, that's one less thing to worry about. But with a FCS opponent already schedule, the Orange need to settle on at least one more non-con FBS opponent soon.
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Hawaii is a road trip I'd like to make.
Orange you glad it's not football season?
by SUMB44 on Feb 21, 2012 12:10 PM EST via Android app reply actions
The problem with Hawaii is that the NCAA allows any team that plays at Hawaii to schedule a 13th game. Think he have trouble finding 2 games, try 3.
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by nymetsfan1226 on Feb 21, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Allows them to or forces them to?
and who’d come with such a stupid rule such as that, anyways? I never heard of it, personally…
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allows
and the idea is that you can play an extra home game to make up for the money you spent on going to Hawaii. A similar rule exists for playing the Alaska hockey teams.
Sooo, you/we don't have to then, right?
If that’s the case, just schedule it and don’t bother with the 13th game then, IMHO…..
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May as well have the 13th game too
If it’s a bonus game, is there a downside to scheduling a 2nd FCS opponent? Play Colgate again. You get the revenue from an extra home game at least. It won’t even matter that we can’t count the win towards bowl eligibility.
Of course, we would still need to find one more FBS opponent to round out the schedule…
I'm not positive
but I believe that if you play 13 games w/Hawaii, then you will need 7 wins in order to be bowl eligible.
If you play 2 FCS teams, you also need 7 games to be bowl eligible (assuming that both wins are over FCS teams).
So the question is then, of the 7 games that you need to be bowl eligible w/ Hawaii, can two of those 7 be from FCS teams?
Or, if you play 13 games AND 2 FCS teams, then do you need a total of 8 wins in order to be bowl eligible; in which case, there is absolutely no benefit to playing Hawaii.
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6 wins
UCLA got to a bowl game this year with a 6-7 record. Their situation was a little bit different, since they were a fill in for the banned USC team in the Pac 12 title game.
UCLA example is very different
the Hawaii rule is that Hawaii and their opponents get a 13 game regular season; but if you play the 13th game then you need to win 7 games to become Bowl Eligible.
UCLA was 6-6 at the end of the Regular Season and were therefore Bowl Eligible; if USC were not banned then UCLA would not have played in title game.
The question remains if you play Hawaii and 2 FCS games, do you need 8 wins in order to become bowl eligible?
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Why does anybody play the 13th game then?
…if you’re creating a situation where you HAVE to win that game to be bowl eligible.
You could be sitting at 6-6, poised for a bowl game. Then you play that extra 13th game and lose. You’re out of a bowl then?
if you're good enough that a bowl game should be automatic
or bad enough that it’s unlikely no matter what (or on a postseason ban) or you’re somewhere where flying to HI isn’t a lot more expensive than a regular road game (which is to say on the west coast, pretty much) but your athletic department is short on cash. Also note the rule predates the explosion of bowls that pretty much guarantee a 6-6 barely bowl eligible team will get to go to a bowl.
I think we can all agree...
That @ hawaii is the most logical solution to this.
by djsteveo on Feb 21, 2012 12:55 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
/notes there are direct flights from San Diego to Honolulu
//though timing still would require taking a day off
Would SU please get the hell out of the Big East
Heading to the ACC this year will fix everything.
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for us & Pitt (and FSU, which hasn't replaced WVU yet), it would fix everything
but the other 11 ACC teams would have to buy out a game on extreme short notice, and the 5-team Big East would almost have to play a double round robin (which would mean it would need everyone that managed to get their schedules in order for 8 Big East teams would need to buy out a game).
I was looking at the ACC schedules
Not much as been confirmed yet. Lots of TBA’s. I still think something is going to happen.
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by LeftCoastMan on Feb 21, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, everyone but FSU in the ACC has four non-conference games already
even us & Pitt. Only NC State has a game they can easily drop (since they have two FCS games). So a nine-game ACC schedule would require a lot of buyouts.
Not going to happen
As said, too many buyouts and schools aren’t in the business of losing money which is what would happen by removing a home game from the schedule or buying out a road game. Not to mention the ACC would probably have to pony up some cash to help Pitt and SU get out the Big East. Add that cost to all the buyouts and it makes zero financial sense this year.
What about NC State?
We mention them up top, and I doubt it would take much of a buyout to get themselves out of one of those. Hell, I think we should even volunteer to go down to Raleigh.
I’d assume the ACC’s willing to throw us a bone if possible, and this seems like it would be beneficial to everyone involved.
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by JohnCassillo on Feb 21, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Hawaii is out
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Figured they were longshot anyway
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by Sean Keeley on Feb 21, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Why doesnt the BE just loan Boise the money to come a year early?
There are wayyyyy too many teams inconvinienced by WVa leaving. If you buy Boise in a year early you do your conference a huge favor.
Also, I would bet big money the ACC is making changes to the schedule to link up Pitt or SU with Fla State. One of us will be playing them this year.
by OrangeinJersey on Feb 21, 2012 12:22 PM EST reply actions
If Mizzou had left early and WVU didn't
just as many teams would have been inconvenienced, it’s just that they’d be Big 12 teams instead of Big East teams (and the rules of college football dictate that if the Big 12 or Big East can be inconvenienced, it’s going to be the Big East). But there really was no good reason why Mizzou had to leave right away (or A&M, but that worked out okay because they just grabbed TCU — which was leaving their old conference anyway); the SEC could have an awkward 13-team schedule for a year while counting their money and BCS championships.
Maybe because SU and Pitt have claims to some of that money?
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by LeftCoastMan on Feb 21, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
that's what I'm thinking
Any word on how that will work yet?
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Why should a team give a crap about its old conference
This is a business, it’s not student-athletes playing an amateur game. Once a school decides to leave it’s no longer concerned about what happens to the other schools, just what it needs to do for itself. WVU did exactly what it needed to do to help itself, join the Big 12, which also needed WVU after the debacle of this summer when A&M departed and the Pac-12 almost took 4 of their other schools (which is not what I wanted as a Pac-12 fan).
SU and Pitt are not involved with any decision in the Big East. If SU and Pitt weren’t leaving would they have stood for what had happened with TCU and WVU? Would they have voted to bring in two Western teams? Would they have agreed to anything? The Big East, a dying conference, is circling the drain trying to drag Pitt and SU down with it. Time to go, stick a giant finger out to that loser whose name I won’t mention, but lives in Providence, and who screwed this up in the first place.
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Umm I really don't wanna go the FCS opponent route again, so I guess North Texas and Nevada?
I’m pretty sure the FSU thing doesn’t work because their empty slot is when we play USC, or so I’ve heard others on here say. Missouri would be a big name but also likely be a loss. Same with Nebraska. Damn. I wanted to see Houston or ULL on the schedule. Let’s get this Boise situation sorted out please, Big East! We need to know what we have to do!
Clear eyes, full bologna sandwiches!
We have 2 spots to fill
One will likely be a 2nd FCS team, which means that we’ll need 7 wins (including 2 FCS’s) in ‘12 in order to be Bowl Eligible; and with USC on the schedule we’ll need every win we can get.
I have no problems with having 2 FCS teams, the last time we did that we wound up winning the Pinstripe Bowl.
I’m not crazy about bringing Nevada into the Dome since it will probably be the first time that the Pistol offense was actually effective in Syracuse.
I don’t know anything about North Texas other than their record last year, which was not good, and their coach is recovering from a stroke.
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I would much rather bring in two below-average FBS teams than play another FCS team.
Since, as you mention, we will need every win we can get I don’t like the idea of needing 7 when 6 will be hard enough.
Clear eyes, full bologna sandwiches!
Lets play Missouri twice!
Lacks knowledge or information sufficient to form a belief
by Rocket Ship Science on Feb 21, 2012 1:06 PM EST reply actions
My gut tells me its going to be FSU
and Im only basing that on this feeling I have that the two of us are the teams who will be left when its all said and done. It would be smart to just schedule Boise @ home so in the event they do join we can say “hey BE, dont try and F us by making us travel out there, we already scheduled it at home.” Boise will likely be down this year, I just cant see someone coming in and replacing Kellen Moore
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Of course
Looking at the schedules, the only way that works is if Syracuse an Nebraska play on 10.13 (during the conference season) since Nebraska’s other open date is 9.22 which is when we are scheduled to play Minnesota.
And seeing as how we already have two B1G schools on our schedule, I doubt that we schedule another.
by GrossSuperman on Feb 21, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
the last time we played three Big Ten schools
I was joking that we were already in the Big Ten
Florida State
And Wake Forest both have open dates on Sept. 8 (when we play USC). Why not have them play that weekend, and have us and Florida State the weekend they could have scheduled FSU/WF?
How about Florida State, Mizzou, Syracuse, and Nevada in a Kronum match?
The 'Cuse is in tha house, oh my God oh my God.
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