Syracuse Basketball Recruiting: Will Christmas Come Twice for the Orange?
by Jeremy Ryan on Feb 2, 2012 1:04 PM EST
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But a huge fish just dove headfirst into the 2012 pond, and the Orange just might be able to reel him in.
Nerlens Noel, the #2 overall player in ESPN’s class of 2013 rankings, has decided to ‘reclassify’ and move up to the class of 2012. This is according to a report from ESPN recruiting analyst Dave Telep published Wednesday night. Telep says Noel repeated his sophomore year after changing high schools from Everett, Massachusetts to Tilton, New Hampshire, but will now graduate with his original class. He has already been installed as the new #1 player in the class of 2012, even ahead of stud forward Shabazz Muhammad. Telep says that among the colleges on Noel’s radar are the usual powerhouses such as Kentucky, Florida, Georgetown, North Carolina, Connecticut, and – you guessed it – Syracuse.
I’ll pause now while you get all of the Nerlens Noel – Rakeem Christmas jokes out of your system.
Waiting…
Waiting…
We good?
All right. Let’s move on.
In an odd twist, Noel – Christmas comparisons are appropriate beyond their festive surnames. At a reported 6’10” and 215 pounds, Noel is built similarly to Christmas, and is known as a rebounding, shot blocking athlete who is a bit raw on the offensive end. The same was said about Rakeem just a year ago. The thought of these two big men, along with widebody Coleman, terrorizing opposing offenses together for the next three years has to bring smiles to the faces of SU hoops fans and zone defense aficionados alike. That’s without considering the assumed returns of Fab Melo and Baye Keita, who would obviously only be juniors next year.
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So how would SU be able to go after Noel when they were supposedly finished recruiting this class? Well, the departure of Mookie Jones from the team a couple of weeks ago has opened up a valuable scholarship for next season. The recruitment of Noel could be viewed as a classic case of the rich getting richer, or it could be a hedge against someone like Melo or Dion Waiters leaving early for the NBA Draft. It could also protect SU in the event of another situation like DaShonte Riley’s, where the 7-foot center ended up transferring to Eastern Michigan to join former SU assistant coach Rob Murphy.
Telep also reports that Noel has already visited Providence and UConn, and plans to be at the Carrier Dome when the Orange host the Huskies on Saturday, February 11. That matchup is thought to be SU’s annual effort to break the all-time campus attendance record, but UConn’s recent struggles have taken a little bit of luster off of the game. Regardless of the final attendance, the Dome should be rocking when a longtime rival and the defending national champions come to town to face the #2 team in the nation.
Next week I’ll detail the recruiting war over international guard Felix Navidad, and an underground campaign to convince Kris Joseph to change his last name to Kringle before his SU career wraps up.*
*These are probably not true, but I couldn't help myself.
Jeremy Ryan is a writer and editor for CNYcentral.com in Syracuse. You can follow him on Twitter @JeremyRyan44.
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Please let this happen
Even if Fab leaves, we would still have the best front court in the country by far.
this used to look like a lock for SU
Noel always used to say su is after him the hard, he has the best relationship with the su staff, mcw is his best friend, and then after midnight madness this thing could have a bow on it, it was so wrapped up. but ever since the bernie fine thing the only thing i have read about noel, is that his teammates are pushing him like crazy to goto uk. which uk is obviously a horrible school, who is caught up in scandal just about every year. You would think that he might not get the pt he would like, cus he would be the 5th center on the team (hs center any ways) but i think beoheim is all about playing the best players so that shouldnt be an issue, especially since they project him tobe the only nba allstar player out of the 11,12, and 13 classes. Also even if fab stays coleman/ xmas are more natural powerfowds then centers so he would mainly spit the time with fab and keita redshirt so that shouldnt be an issue either.
by kevin66l on Feb 2, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I saw Blatche play in high school and this kid is almost identical
still think he goes to uk, since Davis will be the #1 pick in the draft
You keep chanting one more year, I thought college was four years
by PointBlankPeriodPeriod on Feb 2, 2012 1:23 PM EST reply actions
This is true
But Noel does come to the hill, then Christmas better make a Fab/Dion sophomore leap if he wants to see the court.
by Mike Will is DoubleDown on Feb 2, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
xmas and noel would play diff positions
xmas doesnt even need to make a leap, if this kid played on a team that needed him he would probably be great at this point of the season. If he was able to play the whole games the enitre season long and adjust he would be putting up way better numbers, but this team doesnt need him like that. Think about it he was considered a way better shotblocker then anthony davis outa hs,
BUT
He isnt a way better shot blocker then Davis. If he put up better numbers he would play more. Christmas got tons of burn vs WVU and had 0 points and 1 rebound. It doesnt really matter who was better then who out of HS. What matters is production. Christmas is having typical freshman ups and downs which is very understandable. But Noel is a very similar player as Xmas. Doesnt really matter the postion. You have two 6’9/6’10 players who are known for rebounding and blocking shots. You dont want both these guys on the court at the same time for too long because your losing tons of offense. So, I stand by what I said. If Christmas doesnt make that sophomore leap and Noel comes to the Cuse, IMO Christmas will get similar playing time next year as he is this year
by Mike Will is DoubleDown on Feb 3, 2012 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
Unlike Blatche
Current players are just about obligated to get at least one year of college, and more if they’re smart. College would have done a world of good for someone like Blatche.
blatche was a lock for SU
but then went to the NBA like a pussy. Anyways if he picks uk he is a scumbag and thats the facts
If he wants to be one and done
He will probably go to Kentucky, If he wants more of a college experience or to stay closer to home I bet he comes here.
being one and done has nothing to do with uk
if hes good enough that really doesnt matter as long as hes at an elite school. more of a college experience?? he could be one and done here, people think coleman is going to be too so what? they said the same thing about coleman not an argument there.
Now
If Syracuse would only recruit a kid name Tannenbaum.
On the lookout!!
Rumor has it Hopkins is scouring the country looking for a kid named Chanukah to keep everyone happy.
Orange since the mid '80s.
Hes also trying to recruit
festus ezeli, and have him change his name to festivus.
Be on the lookout for Chaim Hannukah
a rising recruit out of Marlboro, NJ
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A swing and a miss
Good try, though.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Feb 2, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
got to wonder
if he wants to sit behind Fab, unless Fab is gone for sure (which is very possible).
G-Mac bitches
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Fab being gone is what I'm thinking
If he wanted to reclassify for Calipari, Davis being a one and down has been a known factor since before he stepped foot on Kentucky’s campus. Meanwhile, Fab would have played next year until his academic issues (whatever they may be) showed up. Even if it’s something as silly as other people being caught cheating on an exam – who wants to deal with that nonsense during a basketball season? And if his issue was of a more serious variety (e.g., Fab using up his last get out of jail free card), then I can see him being in a position to go pro.
I don’t know the ins and outs of recruiting rules, but I’m sure that coaches can somehow make it clear to a recruit just how much playing time he would get.
I've been involved in a number of cults, both as a leader and a follower. You have more fun as a follower. But you make more money as a leader.
Not to mention
the extra scholarship that was freed up when Mookie left. I think that could be just as big of a factor as Fab leaving because we have a definite scholarship for him now.
Fab, in all likelihood
will not make it another season in Syracuse.
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by Jameson_Fleming on Feb 2, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
Twin Towers is a real possibility
One thing every big prospect understands these days is that you gotta be able to go outside in the NBA (unless you are Superman). If Fab stays, Noel can get time in the middle and as the PF. He’s athletic enough to play the 4. He would welcome the opportunity to play both spots. Fan talk is different than coaching. As a coach you have to put scoring on the floor with Dfense. You gotta have a ball handler with rebounders. This years team features a Big Bastard, some above average wings, and some better than average guards who are exceptional finishers… It will be awhile before SU features 4 better finishers on the break than KJ, Scoop, Brandon & Dion. IMO way better than our beloved 2009 team. Next year we lose at least two of those guys. If Dion goes, we’ll be a much different team as JSouth, MCW, Cooney are not the transition players that KJ, Scoop & Dion are. Hoping that in the best of both worlds we have it all …Fab & Dion back for a year of national stardom and future lottery money; with Noel coming in to learn & mature. If he wants to audition, he should play for UK, not SU.
Im not sure if the comparison between Davis and Noel can be made as far as 1 and done prospects go.
Davis was/is a basketball anomaly. Up until his junior year he was playing guard an developing a much different skill set as a basketball player. Then he grew 7 inches in a year or something absurd like that and was suddenly a guard in a big mans body. Obviously he’s not playing guard but he did develop athleticism and a skill set that big men like him usually don’t possess. I don’t think Noel is a 1 and done, but probably more of a Rakeem Christmas type player who will make big jumps and possibly be gone after 3 years of getting smarter and bulking up.
Cuse fan in ACC country.
All true
But that doesn’t mean Noel doesn’t see himself as a one and done.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Feb 2, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
people are acting like davis is the best basketball player college has ever seen
truth is he isnt, there is no nba superstars coming to this years draft, they say noel would be that type of player though.
Well
If Noel is the top player in his class then he definitely will see himself as one and done. He may not want to go to NBA after one year in college, but the thought will DEFINITELY be there. Harrison Barnes was elected to 1st team all american before he played a college game. EVERYONE thought he was 1 and done. So, yeah, Noel could stay for an extra year but i’d have to think he is in position to play one year and go pro. BTW- Christmas was no where near the top player in his class. I think we all thought Rak would need a few years to develop
by Mike Will is DoubleDown on Feb 2, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
haha you obviously knew nothing about xmas class
xmas was one of the top playersin his class, when he was a junior (like noel before he was reclassified) he was in the top 5 and was most of his hs carreer. his was in the top 10 most of his senior year as well, wasnt till the end till he dropped to top 20 (which is still the topof his class) If he was on a team that desperatly needed him he would be putting up great numbers at this point in the season.I honestly think all people do is judge players by box scores and stats and nothing else….
LOL
You obviously know nothing about production. Christmas starts and gets every opportunity to put up numbers but doesnt. He had that great game vs Cincy and has been serviceable at best since then. Even when Fab was here, how much did Christmas play? The dude STARTS! He gets opportunities to produce but doesnt. Now, i’m quite aware that he is a freshman and needs time to develop. Not knocking Rak at all. I’m just saying he gets opportunities here and does little to nothing!! I watch every game pal. Oh and you do know the difference between the best player in the class and the 20th best player in the class. I’m well aware that Rak played in McDonalds All American game and well aware he was a top recruit. However, as you said, Rak kept sliding down year after year. Which tells me….he started topping out. Players got better when he didnt. As said, the 20th best player in the class is no where near the “top player in the class”.
by Mike Will is DoubleDown on Feb 3, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
Dude, Noel is 1 and Done with certainty
It’s not even a question, comparing him to Rakeem Christmas is a joke, Noel is way more polished, way quicker, and is already getting comparisons to Bill Russell. With all effect, he is the best prep PF/C combo forward since Kevin Garnett.
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by Nick Petrilli on Feb 2, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Until he gets dunked on
By some 6’2" junior in his first practice scrimmage, loses confidence and starts putting up 3 trillions. I’m not saying the kid can’t be great. I’m just saying that it’s almost impossible to tell with 18 year olds. Sure things out of HS or even college Frosh, like Kobe and Lebron, are very few and far between.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Feb 2, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
So...
Comparing a high school senior to a college freshman is a joke, but comparing a high school senior to one of the greatest players in the history of the sport is ok?
This is scout talk, it's usually hyperbolic, I'm just relaying the information
Syracuse has not had a player like this since Carmelo.
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by Nick Petrilli on Feb 2, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
You forget
Pauls Harris was also supposed to be the second coming of Carmelo Anthony. We all know how well that worked out.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Feb 2, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
That was this fanbase's hype
No one else thought that.
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by Nick Petrilli on Feb 2, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently
they hadn’t seen what he called his “Jump-shot.”
I never saw anything like that
He was slotted as a SF (Height) and had no offensive game away from the basket, no one thought one and done.
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by Nick Petrilli on Feb 2, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
heres a thought
just because YOU never saw anyone say that clearly means that NO ONE EVER EVER EVER OF ANY STATURE EVER thought, wrote or communicated to other people the insane idea that Paul was one and done
G-Mac bitches
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You seem to be getting really angry that I'm taking an opposite viewpoint of you
And apparently seem to think I’m an expert even though I’m positing opinion on a blog comment system. I pay a decent amount of attention to recruiting, and never saw any hype of him as a one and done anywhere but from our fans. I could definitely have missed something or be wrong. Doesn’t change the fact though that you’re still being a dick.
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by Nick Petrilli on Feb 2, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
I think his point was
Noel is clear cut top 2 player in either 2013 or 2012 class for a reason. Paul Harris wasnt even close to that. But us fanbase got so excited over Paul Harris that we had wild expectations of him. PLUS, Paul Harris was 6’4. Noel is 6’10. So, while there may have been a few people thinking Paul was one and done, its not nearly as many as how many people think Noel is one and done.
by Mike Will is DoubleDown on Feb 2, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough
I’m sure someone outside the fanbase thought Paul was one and done. But i’m sure they were few and fair between. I guess we just read it differently. I read it as along the lines of “no one thought the Giants would be in Superbowl” when i’m sure their were people who did have them in Superbowl. Thats all
by Mike Will is DoubleDown on Feb 2, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
You know who I think might end up being as good as Carmelo?
CJ Fair. Obviously Carmelo was better at a younger age than CJ. But what made Carmelo so good was his ability to score from anywhere (especially in the mid-range) and the fact he was a very good rebounder for a SF. CJ already has the rebounding thing down, as well as his mid-range game. If he can develop a consistent 3-pt shot, I don’t see any reason why he couldn’t be a lefty Carmelo by the time he’s done at ’Cuse.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Feb 2, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
He hasn't had much reason to
But niether did/does Carmelo. If you watch him, he’s not one of those guys who dribbles around a lot. Most of his moves are off of jab steps and stop fakes. If he’s dribbling out on the perimeter, most of the time he’s shooting pull ups, not driving into traffic.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Feb 2, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
Well
I’ve watched quite a few Knick games and D’Antoni’s plan was to make Melo a point forward this year cause the Knicks have no point guard. So, Melo has been handling the ball a ton more this year. When they go to isolation, your absolutely correct. Melo is jab step shoot or fade away J.
by Mike Will is DoubleDown on Feb 2, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
If that's D'Antoni's plan
Then he needs to be fired and have his coach card revoked. In order to play point anything, you need to pass the pass. Carmelo is the definition of offensive ball stopper.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Feb 3, 2012 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
D'Antoni's plan is also really, really awful.
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by Nick Petrilli on Feb 3, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed!!! LOL
I’m just pointing out that Melo is handling the ball a ton more this year. Bring on Phil Jackson!!!
by Mike Will is DoubleDown on Feb 3, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
Just
No.
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by Nick Petrilli on Feb 2, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Actually
Yes
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Feb 2, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
That's insulting to Carmelo
CJ Fair is good, but he is not that good dude.
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by Nick Petrilli on Feb 2, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Not yet
But he could be
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Feb 2, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Kind of agree with Nick here
CJ isnt even close to Carmelo. I love CJ. One of my favorites on the team. But Carmelo could do anything on the court at age 18. CJ is still limited with consistent jump shot, average rebounding numbers and lack of a 3pt shot. There is a reason JSouth is getting more and more time then CJ.
by Mike Will is DoubleDown on Feb 2, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
The first thing I said was that, obviously, Carmelo was Carmelo when he was 18 and CJ is not at 20-ish. But my point was that they have similar games and I think CJ has that potential. I mean, Carmelo averaged 22/10 45%/70%/33% FG/FT/3pt. Is it that much of a stretch to think that CJ could average close to that as a senior? I don’t think so.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Feb 2, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Well I'm sure if CJ works his ass off
and he can develop into a player like that. But I’m not gonna hold my breath. Carmelo is just a natural. Its like he was born scoring. One of those talents that comes around the cuse every 20 years (if not more). But i’ll bet my bottom dollar that CJ doesnt average 22/10 his senior year, doesnt get drafted in the top 3 of NBA and isnt going to be a top 5 scorer in the NBA for 10 years. I love CJ and he is a very good player and not trying to discredit him. I’m just making a statement for Melo more then anything
by Mike Will is DoubleDown on Feb 2, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
Again, no arguement
Carmelo was born to make buckets (though not much else). But, to me, it’s where they end up, not where they started out. Look at a guy like Danny Granger. True, he scores a little less than Carmelo, but he’s also considered one of the better pure scorers in the game. Are his numbers diminished because it took him a few years of college and another couple in the pros to figure things out instead of dropping 20pgg from birth? I don’t think so. So, I think CJ can be a similar case; work hard, get better and he has a chance to be just as good.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Feb 2, 2012 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
Ok
Fair enough. Just looking at the end result, CJ could develop to be an NBA all star. I’ll be happy to be proven wrong!
by Mike Will is DoubleDown on Feb 3, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
Funked up... calm down
CJ is a great kid; a player who may get a chance to play at the next level. He’s a vital part of what we think is a final four team and many have compared him to Josh Pace for thte many little things he contributes to winning.. that being said Carmelo Anthony is a SUPERSTAR. He took his team to the NCAA Championship game and WON his freshman year. He’s one of the top ten talents in the game.
people are forgeting
we have coleman who is light years ahead of noel offesnsivley and reboundingwise, xmas was a better shotblocker then anthony davis in hs just needs to adjust to college game, but with his athletism is still gonna be a lotto pick.I think even without noel were fine and if melo stays probably the best frontcourt in basketball. BUT adding noel would defn make it more awsome.
He is not a better rebounder than Noel.
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by Nick Petrilli on Feb 2, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
I hope your saying
that Davis is a lotto pick and not Xmas. Cause if your saying Xmas is gonna be a lotto pick whenever he leaves, I gotta a bridge to sell you. Not sure what you see in Rak that leads you to believe he is lotto pick. Who cares if he was the better shot blocker then Davis in HS. Davis is about to break the shot blocking record! As a Freshman! Its not even close to “who the better shot blocker is now”…just to clarify, its Davis….by a landslide
by Mike Will is DoubleDown on Feb 3, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
if we go with Hannukah we get it for 8, but they are generally smaller and less satisfying?
F#&% the Big East
by dacj501 on Feb 2, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Breakdown on Nerlens Noel
Nerlens Noel is the best prep big man prospect in this recruiting year and next recruiting year, which usually is rarely the case (Being a top prospect in two recruiting cycles). His defensive game is phenomenal, better than Christmas’ was ever considered coming in. He is the premier shot blocker in the nation at the prep level, as well as one of the best rebounders. Adding to that, he is insanely quick. He has the ability to play the 5 or the 4 in the zone with no problem, and could probably even play the 3 (at a collegiate level) if you really wanted him to. He gets a lot of comparisons to Bill Russell now by NBA Scouts in terms of his games, but a more contemporary comparison is Kevin Garnett without as wide of an offensive game. His offense has improved a LOT over the past year, he’s better than Rakeem and Melo were coming in. His wingspan is 7’3", and the kid deserves all the hype he can get.
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by Nick Petrilli on Feb 2, 2012 2:40 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Someone not proofreading
Just take out the usually and that makes more sense.
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by Nick Petrilli on Feb 2, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
Question:
Could Noel buy into the 7-8 starters idea that Cuse has developed the last few years?
No one can give a definitive answer
But I think he sees with Dion that you can get draft hype playing 20 MPG simply if you get your stats at that time.
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by Nick Petrilli on Feb 2, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
If he is as good as advertised
The JB wont take him out.
by Mike Will is DoubleDown on Feb 2, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Also, since he's coming from UConn, figured I'd post this, from a few people who were with Noel and Goodluck at MM
If only you could have seen Noel’s eyes when he walked into the Carrier Dome and saw the crowd an hour before Midnight Madness started. Heck there were only about 15,000 allowed in and probably 10,000 or so there at the time. After he said “Damn, look at that crowd”, someone piped up and said, “that’s nothing wait till you see this place with 34,000.” Nerlen and Goodluck were like two wide-eyed kids at Disneyland that night.
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Should say "For UConn" which I'm hearing will be a game they try and break the on campus record again
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by Nick Petrilli on Feb 2, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Only problem,
UCONN was supposed to be good this year, and they are playing like crap making it harder to sell 35000 tickets.
Still a rivalry game, and it's a Saturday CBS game
Add the top recruit in the nation coming? At the least the student section record should hopefully be broken (Dan).
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by Nick Petrilli on Feb 2, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
Plus Ennis from the 2013 class with be there.
I've been involved in a number of cults, both as a leader and a follower. You have more fun as a follower. But you make more money as a leader.
by Fly Rodder on Feb 2, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thats great news...
He sounds like the type of athletic point guard we need.
Yep, still UConn
And, frankly, if they want to show off for this kid, just have Fab block Drummond once or twice and blow the roof off the place. Having 32,000 people go nuts for a shot block will say something.
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by Fly Rodder on Feb 2, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't we have 3 scholarships available anyways?
Joseph
Jardine
REESE. the photogenic one is on the extra scholarship and is a senior
Mookie's scholly (I really doubt he's coming back)
But yeah we definitely have the room. Boeheim will use his extra on Noel.
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by Nick Petrilli on Feb 2, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
not to hate on the mookpocalypse...
But Syracuse is under no obligation to renew his scholarship. As a matter of principle i think Boeheim does for all returning scholarahip players (except perhaps the occasional guy who was originally a walk-on when he came to SU). However, given that Mookie left midseason for “personal reasons,” i wouldn’t anticipate a scholarship is waiting for him if he decides he wants to come back.
by DMF on Feb 2, 2012 3:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We actually could give mookie his scholarship back
If he is in good standing academically, and is set to graduate, he good be a good APR booster.
That may be why walk ons have been getting schollies.
Walk-ons
Boeheim has on occasion used extra scholarships on senior walk-ons as a reward for their hard work. It’s a nice gesture, plus it allows him extra flexibility by not using it on a four-year player who might be a reach just to fill out the roster.
i know this, presutti before reese.
thats exactly my point though. In the article you hint that we only have two..saying what might free up an extra one. But we already have an extra one available if needed.
Is Reese still on scholarship?
I know he was last season, but I thought he had to give his up to make room for the incoming (2011) glass.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Feb 2, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure
that you’re right. He was on scholly last season.
last year and this year
Jardine, Triche, Joseph, Christmas, Melo
Waiters, Carter-Williams, Fair, Southerland, Keita
Jones, Cooney, Reese
13
NCAA allows 13 scholarships(unless you’re UCONN)
Would a big head of him
be considered a recruiting violation?
I want to thank the good lord for making me a Yankee
Can be
I believe. Just like technically you can’t cheer his name, but I believe initials are ok.
Is there really rules on that?
That fans can’t do signs and chants? How can you control that? Too funny, exactly what the NCAA would try to govern.
I remember way back in like 2001 there was a sign at a football game that said “Julius Hodge: The Fab Four Needs One More” That was the class of Edelin, Pace, Forth and Warrick. Of course he chose NC St and the next year Carmelo Anthony arrived and nobody remembers Hodge.
We should be, it doesn't make sense
Why cant we be stanford East?
by OrangeinJersey on Feb 2, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
Because Syracuse isn't Stanford, CA
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Feb 2, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
Not enough hot Asian chicks.
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by Nick Petrilli on Feb 2, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Or days of 70+ degrees and sunshine
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Feb 2, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
It's Palo Alto, not San Diego
There are fewer of those than you think. More than Syracuse, but that’s really not saying a lot.
/spent winter of ‘09-’10 in San Jose
//it rained every day
It is strange
Fottball experts say the big recruits dont come to Syracuse because its a snowy city and not very nice and blah blah blah. But we play in a dome so that doesnt matter. And it doesnt matter to any Basketball player. I think its just the perception of our football program. Which sucks that it came to this.
Baskeball facilities >>>> Football facilities
by Mike Will is DoubleDown on Feb 3, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
You don't need to call Marvin
he doesn’t play when it comes to his honey
by cusetownstomp on Feb 3, 2012 11:41 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I prefer to think of him as Winnie the Pooh
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by Nick Petrilli on Feb 3, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
UConn
I keep seeing talk about how if he’d want to be one and done, it’d be UK, if he wanted to be close to home it’d be SU. If he went to UConn, he’d slide right into Drummond’s spot and he’d be much closer to home than he would be here. Plus he’d probably get benefits from Calhoun and co. Why would we be higher on his list than UConn?
Orange is > than grey
But where does platinum fall?
Seconded
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Feb 2, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
Even if Fab leaves
I think either Baye would have to transfer away or Dajuan Coleman would have to redshirt (to lose some weight and move to the four) to land Noel. If not this team has three legit centers. Definitely not enough minutes to go around for a kid who probably wants to head to the NBA ASAP.
Coleman, redshirting?
Funny.
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by Nick Petrilli on Feb 2, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
I think Baye will get better than the facepalm performances he's had a lot of this year
But I don’t think his presence would take away from someone like Noel.
Honestly, I think regardless of Noel coming here or not, a redshirt next year would do wonders for Baye. He’d come back in 2013-14 as a great backup to DeJuan, no way Fab is still here then. By a 5th year here he could be a quality starter if Coleman has jumped to the NBA too.
There will always be enough minutes for the motivated
If the kid thinks he’s 1 & done, then he’ll have no problem proving it. He’s not NBA ready if he can’t crack SU’s lineup for 20 mpg. Boeheim isn’t afraid of playing freshmen if they’ve got game. (Anthony, Greene, Flynn, Triche, etc.).
I've been involved in a number of cults, both as a leader and a follower. You have more fun as a follower. But you make more money as a leader.
I'm really starting to wonder
If Hopkins reached out to Noel and said, “Look Fab is going to be gone this year because of Academic problems, and won’t be back next year. Rakeem is better suited to play the four so we could use you to come in with Coleman and anchor the center of the zone. With Fab gone we’ll definetly be able to find you 25 minutes a game.”
Is that you, Hop?
Born in '87, Orange fan since '86
I guess I made a twitter, follow @StealthTurkey
by StealthTurkey on Feb 2, 2012 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
Nah, but another thing
If Melo does stay, that could actually help recruit Noel. By pitching A) Big east big men, and B) the chance to go up against Coleman, Fab, Keita and Christmas in practice. That would make the most value out of his one year on campus. Honestly who would he play against or practice against at UK?
love the local blogs
“leaning PC” http://www.golocalprov.com/sports/exclusive-nerlens-noel-leaning-towards-pc
“Gators among favorites” http://hailfloridahail.com/2012/02/03/nerlens-noel-reclassifies-florida-gators-favorites-2012-basketball-recruiting/
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