Shabazz Muhammad Would Appreciate It If Syracuse Would Say Hi
by Sean Keeley on Feb 14, 2012 1:00 PM EST
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PrintAny other year, Syracuse might have an offer out to Shabazz as well. Unfortunately for him, the Orange are pretty locked up. They already filled their two open spots with DaJuan Coleman and Jerami Grant. When Mookie Jones left the team that opened up one spot, which, coupled with SU recruit Nerlens Noel's reclassification to 2012, meant that the No. 1 recruit in the nation was the top choice for it.
All of which seemed to be irking the hell out of Shabazz this past weekend (assuming this is a real FB profile):
It's unclear if the Las Vegas native is a huge Cuse fan or if he's just having a tantrum because Syracuse hasn't shown interest in him as the No. 2 recruit in the nation. The fact that the Orange decided to offer Grant over him might also be seen as a slight, but clearly Boeheim and his staff see something in Jerami and, let's face it, are you going to second-guess their recruiting from the last few years?
Not much will come of this, I'm sure, unless we play whatever team Muhammad ends up on.
H/T: Jeremy
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I'll preface this with I know nothing about this kid other than rankings and his scout.com profile
But Grant looks like the prototypical SU small forward. He’s tall and skinny with long arms and looked pretty athletic when I caught a few minutes of his game on ESPN the other night.
Muhammad is 6-6, which is only an inch shorter than Grant, but I don’t know his wingspan. He also seems to be recruited more by west-coast schools, so SU probably didn’t even think they had a shot.
It’s possible Boeheim saw Grant as the perfect complementary player to the zone and someone he could develop into a starter. He’s also from a pipeline region, so the coaches probably got to see him play more.
Muhammad might end up being the better player, but Grant might end up being the better player to fit into the Syracuse system.
Again, I have no idea. But it could make sense.
http://cusepulp.blogspot.com/
being recruited by west coast shcools means nothing but im calling bs on that FB acount
Brandon ashley was a west coast player and su was on him hard, hop was flying out to all his games. I just dont buy this account unless he was just kidding, the kid would has make up of a SU wing. Highley athletic, versatile, small forward, lefty with huge wingspan, who excels in transition? He has a great handle so he could spend time at 2 spot, mcw is 6’6" (listed at 6’5" but closer to 6’7")so it wouldnt be crazy to have him play there. Everyone and theyre mother knows dion is going pro so there would be room. I really dont buy it tho, esp. since the whole reason kyle anderson chose ucla was because shabazz was tlking him into going to the same school as him at the elite 24 so i think thats pretty much a lock he wll go there. also unless the coaches think noel is a lock there would be no reason for the coaches not to offer him if he wantedto goto su, the small fowards and gaurds are gonna be the thinnest positions next year (unless cj is a 3 man next year) would be cool tho if him and Noel were planning some package deal, su would have the most epic team ever.
I'll agree
Yeah, you obviously want to get the best overall players. But Jim B plays a particlar brand of basketball and I think he values players that fit his system more than overall talent.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Feb 15, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
Highly interesting
Shabazz has shown no interest in SU up until now, so this is a surprise. I think it’s more of a tantrum than anything else. Besides, the way Grant looked against a stacked Gonzaga team last Friday (5 star recruits all over the court), he’ll be a worthy successor to Kris. He’s long, athletic, a good defender, has a good handle, and can shoot a little too. This comment is more about Shabazz being pissed that he’s been bumped down, and the school going after the new #1 is not going after him too. Why would SU offer a kid that flat out isn’t coming East? He’s going to either UCLA or UNLV and SU offering him isn’t going to change that. I thought that SU was one scholarship under the limit with no Mookie, so they could offer Shabazz, but why? He’s likely one and done, and I don’t think SU should fall into the Kentucky trap of loading up on one and done guys. Grant fits the program and probably won’t gripe too much if he sits a lot his freshman year. Shabazz will expect to start immediately, and since he’s never played the SU zone, we all know JB would have little patience with him.
why the hell not???
think about it with a coach like beoheim he would have way more success with one and dones, the cal. He led a freshman heavy team with a one and done on it to the champs. He wants his players to have sucsess and be one and dones if they are ready, he said the only reason he recruited so many players last year was cus he thought fab, dion would be one and done and krisjo would leave early. The one and done thing has nothing to do with it, its more about players who will fit su’s system… but that post was either a joke or not his real account so i dont get why people are getting all crazy about it anyways
Sounds like tantrum behavior
BUT…if he wants to wait to see if Dion declares, then why not give him an offer. Getting 3 recruits in the top 13 of the country would be sick! Of course, it could hurt us in the long run. As Lots of Pulp said, getting guys like Grant who fit your scheme more and seems like a 4 year player is huge! Just signing all the stars could hurt your program (see 2011 Philadelphia Eagles).
by Mike Will is DoubleDown on Feb 14, 2012 1:15 PM EST reply actions
Dion
He would be a fool to declare for the NBA. If you can’t hit open jump shots in college, it’s not
time to go to the NBA yet, because there most of them will be contested. I suspect DIon’s coming back for another year, and Fab is probably gone as I believe he is or is about to be 21.
Dion
is only projected at the end of the 1st round. I havent seen any one that has him as a lottery. Same for Fab. One draft site had them both going to LA
May Doug Marrone bless you and keep you.
Fab is already 21 yrs old
And the way his game is evolving, his 7 foot height and willingness (and ability) to draw the charge and newfound range (?) I could see Fab moving up those mock draft boards…
Yeah
Fab could get drafted purely on potential and size. If he has a down year next year or at least doesn’t improve, he only has his size. He could turn himself into a lottery pick by coming back, or he could turn himself into a 22 year old (ancient in the NBA) who may have already peaked.
He should go pro. Plus he clearly isn’t hitting the books hard.
http://cusepulp.blogspot.com/
by Lots of Pulp on Feb 14, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
(see 2011 Philadelphia Eagles).
Goddammit.
Being an Eagles fan is like being friend-zoned by the girl you love
Lol
I’m a diehard too…we should know best. Of course, at least Juan Castillo wont be on the Syracuse sidelines
by Mike Will is DoubleDown on Feb 14, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
Grant seems like
he would be a 4 year guy. We cant have too many one and dones, look at what happened to uconn with their graduation rates.
May Doug Marrone bless you and keep you.
hahahah
If grant has a good year, i promise he is one and done, he is a lot better then people think but we will see how his game translate. dont get why people are so anti one and done, its great for the school, and beoheim would have a lot more sucess with it cus cals a great recruiter only not good coach.
Im just basing it on rankings
and he seems to be more in the Kris Jo category as opposed to say Donte Greene
May Doug Marrone bless you and keep you.
Why would Syracuse (or any school)
Lock up a scholarship on a player with no interest? Seriously, has he shown any interest in the east coast? If Fab and/or Dion declare, they may have one to offer. But it doesn’t matter, he isn’t going to come to Syracuse anyway.
how would they lock it up if he has no interest
i he doesnt want the scholarship he wouldnt take it, dont really think you know how these things work, actually have to sign up with the school to get the scholarship.
maybe after the uconn game, he liked what he saw from Cuse' guards, how boeheim lets em play
the tweets were after the Cuse/uconn game, a game on national tv
You keep chanting one more year, I thought college was four years
by PointBlankPeriodPeriod on Feb 14, 2012 1:18 PM EST reply actions
Shabazz is a SF, though
It’s a weird tantrum to be throwing. Otherwise, just accept the fact he’s only got 12 schools recruiting him and not 13.
Looks like a fake account.
I've been involved in a number of cults, both as a leader and a follower. You have more fun as a follower. But you make more money as a leader.
damn, he has a nice handle for a SF, they had him bring the ball up a bunch of times...
Guess that’s why I assumed he was the teams guard.
You keep chanting one more year, I thought college was four years
by PointBlankPeriodPeriod on Feb 14, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
interesting double post.
anyway, I think it’s probably a fake account.
I've been involved in a number of cults, both as a leader and a follower. You have more fun as a follower. But you make more money as a leader.
ugh. 3!!! scholarships
Reese graduates too, and the 13th doesn’t have to go to a walk-on, even if its Boeheim’s trend.
Anyways, besides the whole west coast thing, another reason we probably didn’t go after this guy is he screams one and done, which i’m sure boeheim and co. would prefer not to go after tooo many of at one time. Nerlens of course is a possible once in a lifetime guy.
He could try and pull and OJ Mayo
and just call Boeheim and tell him he’s coming to SU.
"We got a lot of young players," Boeheim said. "If we kept’em all, we’d probably be pretty good next year. But it’s not going to happen. That’s college basketball. It’s what it is."
Wonder who he is talking about…we know Fair will be back…I would rather have Melo back than waiters, since we still have a bunch of guards
You keep chanting one more year, I thought college was four years
by PointBlankPeriodPeriod on Feb 14, 2012 1:57 PM EST reply actions
Scoop, Kris, Reese and Mookie are definitely gone
Those four spots are filled by two so far, Noel could be a third, and there is no fourth. Shabazz could be the fourth. Add in either Fab or Dion (or both) maybe declaring, and we could have 5 maybe 6 guys gone with only 2 spots filled. If he actually wanted to come here I don’t see why you wouldn’t offer.
It blows my mind
How many times it has been said on here that Reese is on Scholarship and no one pays attention. Its about time someone explains it clearly that we have a 4 scholarships available for next years class, regardless of who leaves.
Thanks for ending the 3 Scholarship rumor that keeps on being perpetuated.
If one pseudo-anonymous poster
Says we have three and another says we have four… where does the authority lie to break the tie?
He's on twitter, why wouldn't he replicate his thoughts there?
Points to a bogus FB account to me….
On Twitter he is talking about UNLV’s game and how awesome the T+M center was…..Nothing about Cuse at all……
Fab
What’s his reasoning for staying? He obviously dislikes school work. He’s 7 foot and everyone is talking about how important he is. His timing is so good now and he can run the floor. Add into that an emerging mid range game and soft touch and scouts will be drooling all over him at the combine. I said it before, big guys with his skill set always get drafted in the lottery even if they didn’t do much in school . Enes Kanter (never played), Derrick Favors ( 1 year) ,Spencer Hawes (1), Brook Lopez (2), Ekpe Udoh.
Here are Ekpe Udoh’s career college stats. 8.4 points, 6.3 rebounds and 1.5 assists in 103 career games. He averaged 14, 9 and 3 one year and poof he’s in the top 10.
Fab will be a lottery pick when the scouts see him in individual workouts.
Makes me wonder if the scouts ever go:
“well he was forced to play zone, let’s give him the benefit of the doubt for the draft.”
Born in '87, Orange fan since '86
by StealthTurkey on Feb 14, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
And thats because I hate logic
Feel free to debate me. Personally, I think Fab owes us 1 more for his freshman year. ;-) On the other side, I don’t know if he could even graduate from college, so why bother trying?
And Dion – I think Dion is good, but I don’t think hes hit even his college peak yet. He’s a 6’4 combo guard competing for a spot in the NBA against many many guys that are obviously better than him right now. If he takes over the BET or NCAA, I could see it, but another year is going to raise his stock a lot, and give him an actual stating role on the team to prove he deserves all the credit we as fans give him. On him, I really don’t think he has done anything spectacular during Big East play except be a role player so far.
We seem to treat him like he’s our Kemba Walker or something. Kemba Walker helped take UConn to a Final Four and then a Championship. Whats Dion done for us? Why is he so deserving? Unless he really shines in tournament play, I think hes coming right back next year.
There's as much risk as there is potential upside for both
Fab could prove that at his age (21 already, 22 next year), he already is what he is, and the NBA scouts could realize that if he levels off between this year and next year. Then his stock is way down, as opposed to a 7-footer who is trending upward.
Dion could prove he can’t sustain his play for 40 minutes every night for 35 games. Maybe his explosive style is diminished with more playing time, and maybe defenses key on him more next year. This happened to Joseph between sophomore and junior season. Right now, Dion is this freakish athlete who could turn into something.
I’m not leaning either way on this just yet, but there are certainly positives and negatives for each decision for each player. It’s not a slam dunk (pun intended) either way.
http://cusepulp.blogspot.com/
by Lots of Pulp on Feb 14, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
I agree, its tough to be that age
look at all that money on the table, and then all the bad things that could happen to you next year: injury, poor play, etc
I have always thought it was in every players best interest to get their degree. No matter what happens when you leave, you always take that with you. I don’t think I will ever waiver from that. But, if you want to go make a million dollars over a few years before you wash out (and 99% of players wash out of the NBA) I guess it doesn’t matter. You can always go back to school, but your body is on a different schedule when it comes to playing pro ball.
I dont even know why I really care. I think part of it is I dont really care for the NBA much, so watching good players leave is always somewhat sad to me.
But Im a 34 year old with hindsight and they are 19 year old athletes who get told every day how awesome they are, so I could see how that would easily warp reality.
that sound pretty rediculous
if joseph went his sophmore year he woulda been lotto, does no body no how the nba draft works??? dion is the type of player that would excel in the nba more then in the college game, if you guys were scouts you d be fired in a heartbeat, i get it, your praying the players read your posts and hoping they stay another year but not going to happer. also dions played big mins before and that wasnt the problem with kris, he was killing it last year until he got some injuries.
It depends what he wants
right now Dion is projected at the end of the first round. He could help his draft stock being a starter next season and improving his shot. Devo and Paul Harris both thought they were NBA ready. And its not a “what if he stays and blows out his knee” issues because he can get personal injury insurance for the projected value of his future contract.
May Doug Marrone bless you and keep you.
I dont think players would ever read this board
Id hope they would have more important things to be doing.
I need you to tell me the last bench player you can prove who was a lotto pick. Go ahead, dig that up and come back so we can discuss.
If Dion gets 1st Round Draft Guarentee
he should go; but personally I cannot understand how that could be possible. If he can get 1st round money and contract in this draft TAKE IT and go for it; it might not be available next year… as per Fab…. he can do nothing but improve with another year of game experience. His inexperience is his biggest weakness now; and if he stays another year, with insurance, he not gonna get any shorter…and he needs to play to learn. Theres little risk he falls out of the first round next year. In his case, its about his second contract as they say… wait another year now, have better skills, play more in his first two years and nail a huge payday with his 2nd contract.
With Fab
he needs experience. D Nic said that in the NBA, you dont get the one on one coaching. If you want that you need to hire someone and go get help on your own. Thats why his shot went to shit. Fab still NEEDS individual coaching and development. He could easily become Roy Hibbert if he gets help. If he went to the NBA would he be a starter? No. And because of that he wouldnt get the work he needs and would get in college. I dont want to see him go the way of Hasheem Thabeet and go to the NBA without being ready to defend athletic guys with paint moves.
That being said, he maybe going anyways. Especially if you look at who we have coming in, its probably at least expected.
May Doug Marrone bless you and keep you.
hows this for debate
you dont know anything about the nba, college, or drafts. dion is a superprospect and your argument makes no sense
Dion
lets call it what it is… hes a bottom of the first round guard who isnt a PG and is undersized for a SG in the NBA and doesnt have a great shot. hes freakishly athletic (so was paul harris) and has a good dribble (so did devo), He will be drafted by a team that already has two solid starters and be a 6th man at best until he is traded.
I think a good example of the progress Dion could make is Blake Griffin. He could have gone pro but stayed an extra year are really helped his draft stock.
May Doug Marrone bless you and keep you.
Some UK fan???
That’s GOT TO BE an NCAA rule violation, no? Wouldn’t that be hilarious?
Nearly all of his "friends" on that profile are for upstate NY
Which doesn’t mesh with a guy who goes to high school in Las Vegas
by DukePettyjohn on Feb 14, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree completely, at least one is gone....
Hmmm….Fab will be 22 at this year’s draft. For him to stay until he is 23 would be surprising. No one knows if he likes college – he seems to love playing hoops with his teammates, but the classroom stuff, meh. He also would make a guaranteed $2MM even at the lower end of the first round. People saying he’s not ready. Think he cares? Look how far he’s come in the short time he’s been at Cuse, much less playing hoops. He’ll be a solid NBA center, maybe not spectacular, but give him five years. He develops his 15 footer and can play with his back to the basket, watch out. Personally, I feel that he’s gone and honestly, if I were him, I’d go….Hell, I hated college too….
As for Dion – his cousin is gone after this year. His other Philly guy left last year. He will continue to share time next year with BT, MCW and GMAC2. He will still make around $2MM next year in the League. He has the athleticism and game to play at the next level and likely will be lower round 1. That’s still a ton of money for a kid who probably didn’t have much growing up. I don’t think he should go, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he did.
If I were to bet who stays and who goes, I’d say Fab first – 50% chance of Dion but just not likely….
Gotcha
I do that all the time too. Yeah, I could see Fab leaving over Dion. If we get DC 2.0 in the middle, it would certainly soften the blow, and we will of course have a serviceable backup in BMK.
While I like Dion, I think he can do better if he waits 1 more year. There are a lot of really good 6’4 combo guards that are starting for teams and proving they can still make plays while being a big target for defenders, but not a lot of good 7" centers, which automatically makes Fab much more of a target for NBA scouts and raises that stock.
That and I am not sure if Fab could even last another year academically.
Unless you're Kentucky or 2003 Syracuse...
I don’t know how attractive one and done players really are. Fact is Boeheim knows what he’s doing and unless you know your program can recover from the decimation caused by a bunch of one and done players in the same class, it may not be worth it unless you know you can perpetually restock with 5 new one and done players (Kentucky) or get the once in a decade talent that can carry an otherwise above-average team to a national title (2003 Syracuse). It sounds crazy, but I think the best players for the program may not always be the best players available – for basketball.
You have to blend 1 and dones in
And recruit replacements, look at Kyrie Irving at duke, he was irreplaceable pretty much. We could bring in a Noel and Shabazz because we have kids like Dejuan and Christmas here, and we have more kids looking to come.
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