Syracuse 52 - Louisville 51 - Jim Burr 50: Orange Overcome Whiteout
Despite losing their previous games to them, despite a raucous crowd dressed in their finest white and despite the worst referees ever to walk the Earth (for both teams), the Syracuse Orange emerged victorious Monday evening 52-51, surviving Hell Week a perfect 3-0 and retaining their spot atop the Big East.
It was not pretty and it was not fun and it was not a treat to watch and did I mention it wasn't pretty? The Orange overcame their own unbelievably-bad shooting night, going 1-for-15 from three-point range and making only two shots outside of the paint all night. Thankfully for them, the only team that shot as poorly as they did was the Louisville Cardinals.
Syracuse shot 34.4%, Louisville shot 34.7%. Syracuse went to the line a mere 11 times but made 8 of them. Louisville, meanwhile, went to the line 21 times and made only 12.
C.J. Fair carried his weight as many of the other SU stars fell off, scoring 13 points and grabbing five rebounds. Whenever the Orange needed a crucial basket or big play. Fair was there.
Fab Melo was pretty key as well. He scored 11 and grabbed six boards, but he continued to alter the traffic in the paint and do everything he could to keep SU in control (which he couldn't do all by himself).
A big help to the Orange was Peyton Siva's foul trouble. Siva ripped up SU early on but found himself on the bench with three fouls early on. Siva was scoreless in the second half after leading all players with eight points in the first half. He was Scoop-esque in his decision making.
The teams will meet again for their regular season finale on March 3 at Syracuse and you can bet it will be another fight. The Orange were the team on top when the clock expired tonight but it could have easily gone the other way. However, credit due to this SU team that continues to find ways to win. It's not the kind of winning that impresses folks like Digger Phelps but it's winning, and that's more than most other teams can say.
Take it and run, Orange fans. 26-1.
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Thank God Barely a W
is still a W. I was starting to think we were cursed, or Pitino was possibly dabbling in black magic.
Yep.
They’re winning games that they would have lost in previous years. As ugly – and by that I mean Big 10 ugly – as it was, they won. That’s all that matters.
Bologna
by AndyKinsella on Feb 13, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
That was awful officiating.
I really think I could’ve watched Syracuse vs. Towson out there, and it still would’ve come down to the final possession. Refs have no business dictating tempo like that.
That being said, barely a W is indeed a W. And how about Fab converting both ends of the 1 and 1 to make it a 1 point game late?? Clutch.
by Syracuse is Oranges on Feb 13, 2012 10:45 PM EST reply actions
Cuse is 2-0 vs white outs
3-0 on big mondays and most important they are 3-0 to start the gauntlet of the final stretch
You keep chanting one more year, I thought college was four years
by PointBlankPeriodPeriod on Feb 13, 2012 10:49 PM EST reply actions
Fab keeps on
surprising me. Jump shots against uconn, knocking down free throws. Pretty soon he’s gonna knock down a 3.
C.J. Fair has been absolutely clutch these past few games.
Is this your homework, Larry?
Fab has made his last 10 FTs
they’re smooth too. He has great form on his shot. I remember those recruiting videos that were up on youtube of him taking jumpers and thinking how smooth he was then. Of course, that was on an empty court, so he still had to figure out how to do it in a game. But it seems like he is. I feel like we’re watching his offensive game develop and evolve before our eyes. And it’s happening very quickly. He even got the ball on the block a few times tonight – he didn’t score on those possessions, but once that shot starts falling, he’s going to be extremely tough to defend.
He's grown up quite a bit
over the past few games, even after the huge jump he made in the offseason. And it’s glorious to see.
Is this your homework, Larry?
by Schooled You on Feb 13, 2012 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
Coaching
Boeheim coached the pants of Pitino tonight. (pun intended). He let Dieng take those awful foul line jumpers and Pitino never adjusted. Why he didn’t put Kuric, Smith, or Behanan at the foul line is baffling. Not to mention Pitino never adjusted his own zone when Waiters, Jardine, and Triche were getting to the middle easily. If Cuse doesn’t make two mental errors up 8 (Southerland no box out, Fair horrible entry pass) that’s a 10 point Cuse win in a game which they made one shot outside of 10 feet. That is how you coach
In-game adjustments
Jimmy B is having a great year. But I have to say can’t blame Patino for keeping Dieng there. He was making those great passes from the high post, as Fair demonstrated it’s not so easy. Kuric didn’t have enough touches. Holding out Siva was the decision that lost the game for the Cards. He had no rhythm in the 2nd half. I figured he’d make a couple TOs.
Can’t really blame James too much on the box out. Calling him undersized in the paint is an understating….loved CJ’s post-game interview. Nervous, but he’ll get more opportunities. He’s the goods!
Wow…
The yum center is loud. This was without a doubt the toughest environment SU will face all year. I was there, in the student section (wearing orange of course) and it was actually deafening.
you couldn't really tell on tv, espn really messes with the crowd volume
it got a little loud when Ville went on the 11-2 run, but never any mentions of the crowd noise by the announcers.
You keep chanting one more year, I thought college was four years
by PointBlankPeriodPeriod on Feb 14, 2012 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
I was actually thinking how quiet it seemed during the game
But I find it hard to believe that was reality
watching on ESPN3
it sounded loud as hell when Smith hit the 3 to put them up 3 late. I couldn’t even hear McDonough. That may be because you’re getting more of the raw feed on there. Don’t know.
I was thinking the same thing
We also watched the KU-KSU game right after and it sounded a million times louder in KSU’s arena than in the Yum! Center. It’s probably part of the story that ESPN wants to tell – KSU is known for having crazy loud fans.
Dude...
I saw you, I was in section 114 with all my fellow geezers. I saw you coming down the stairs into your section & the students heckling you, very WWE ! Don’t feel bad I had a 70 year- old want to punch me after I howled at another bad call. The cards fans whined at every call & I mean EVERY call, even though they had nearly a 3-1 advantage. That aside the The YUM is by far the nicest arena I have ever been in.
Nothing Is Fool proof if you have the right fools.
by GiantsCauseway on Feb 14, 2012 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
They had reason to howl on A LOT of calls
Though I’d agree that those a lot were less than the a lot that went in their favor (that probably makes no grammatical sense, but f*ck it). Reffing was downright putrid all the way around.
Card Chronicle actually said it well in their game recap
“The officials were awful, yes, but if we’re being honest, the benefit f the whistle was slightly on U of L’s side Monday night. The atrociousness of the Gorgui and-1 call obviously stands out, but I don’t think any of us can sit here and make a genuine claim that the referees cost us this game. Or at least none of us should, because they didn’t.”
Never argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
I cannot see how
you can say the officiating favored one team or another. It was that bad, that inconsistent, and that ego gushing. The refs wanted to win the game almost as much as the players did.
Go Orange(men)!
stupid time zone
I had to watch on DVR tonight thanks to living in Oklahoma and hence a 6pm tip. The last minute of the game, all I could think was that I was just an hour behind all of you in having watched a horrid game end in an all to familiar fashion. But lo and behold, that stupid Col. Sanders looking fool will be the sad one tonight!!!!
by nc44 on Feb 14, 2012 12:20 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Talk about Jekyll and Hyde
EFG vs UConn – 68.5
EFG v L’ville – 35.2
But more importantly
Wins vs. UConn – 1
Wins vs. L’ville – 1
40-37 (Louisville) on the boards… not bad.
Forced 16 TO, only gave up 8.
And that was the worst officiated game this season. Phantom calls, missed calls, shooting fouls that were not shooting fouls. All in both directions. If I were on the receiving end of a foul where the ref that blew the whistle had to check the monitors to see who it was on, I would blow a gasket.
Burr sucks....
How does he still have a job? The phantom foul on Scoop. There was a horrible play that we got the benefit of (Fab and one?). Several others.
Why did Siva sit the beginning of the half? I’d have thought that Pitino would play him until he got his fourth. Why sit him with three? Either way, he sits. He was really their only offense.
In Bilas interview with Jim, he said that it wasn’t an adjustment to not cover Dieng at the foul line, it just took awhile for them to actually do that. Once that happened, the game changed. And I agree with a poster above. Why wouldn’t Rick move someone with a shot to that spot?
Southerland may have missed a few threes but I thought he played well otherwise.
Agreed
Southerlands game was impressive tonight. Worked hard, got rebounds, played great D. I’ll definitely take it. I’d like to see more of that from him.
by 5YearPlan on Feb 14, 2012 12:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Burr sucks..
How the hell do you call a foul on a guy that’s 3 feet away from you and then forget who you called the foul on? This guy needs to move on to the “home”.
by Shockedfan01 on Feb 14, 2012 8:12 AM EST up reply actions
Fab #10 on top plays, oop from scoop
You keep chanting one more year, I thought college was four years
by PointBlankPeriodPeriod on Feb 14, 2012 12:24 AM EST reply actions
Thought his dunk where he took two steps from the foul line was better....
Meh, top 10 is top 10….
by ex-Townie on Feb 14, 2012 12:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I know we won
But I still hate reading that thread.
When Siva messed up the final play with a second left by dribbling in to traffic I thought
“He’s their Eric Devendorf.” Had an amazing game at times and could score at will, but also made some horrendous decisions with the ball.
Doghouse
No MCW this game.
JSouth looked good (when he wasn’t shooting 3’s).
Melo was Fab.
Triche looked someone stole his puppy when he was sitting on the bench next to JB in the 2nd half.
Bad Scoop showed up in the 2nd half.
Dion needs to make FT’s late in the game.
Officiating was ridiculously awful.
Fair is going to be a star.
A win is a win, even as ugly as this one was.
'91 SU alumnus
by AlbanyHDTV on Feb 14, 2012 6:53 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Triche looked
better down the stretch, being in the game at crunchtime.
Love that this year when bad scoop shows up...
we can put him on the bench and we still have 2 solid guards in Triche and Waiters to put on the floor
Brady
by AllHailBoeheim on Feb 14, 2012 8:21 AM EST up reply actions
But much of the time,
Awesome Scoop shows up and makes the right play towards the end of the game.
Honestly, I’d prefer Scoop making a play by looking for his teammates with only a few seconds left over Dion signaling for everyone to clear out so he can drive to the hoop and throw it up.
Dion is awesome during the game, but he worries me when the game is on the line.
I'm glad
that I’m not the only one that feels this way. Dion seems to have a strong tendency to force ugly shots late in the game. I did like his smart play of going for that rebound on his miss in the front end of his 1 and 1. It looked like he was the only one at that end of the court that realized it was a 1 and 1.
Sure but man you gotta make that FT
And you gotta make at least 1 of the last two plays in regulation. Same thing against Gtown. He’s just not where we hoped he’d be.
Another example:
If Dion has the ball at the end of OT versus Georgetown, there is no way he finds KJo open in the corner like Scoop did. Maybe he comes up with a good option and scores, but he’s not often looking at the pass option when the ball is in his hands and a few seconds left on the clock (this includes shot clocks).
Note to self..
Buy some stick-um for Kris Jo, too many rebounds are slipping out of hands and out of bounds without an opponent around him.
It's a concentration thing
Like a WR taking his eye off the ball because he’s thinking about the run after the catch. KJ is thinking about the outlet, the run out and the dunk. It’s something that’s easily corrected.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Feb 14, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Go to guy?
In the ongoing search for our “go to guy” I think that we can scratch Dion from the list.
if your definition of go to guy is the one we go to when we really need a bucket
Then I’d say it’s Dion. Both at the end of the half and the end the game we basically just gave him the ball and ran a clear out play so he could drive.
If you mean a guy who leads the team in scoring almost every night, this team’s not gonna have that.
by Brian Walden on Feb 14, 2012 8:38 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I still like that twice in the final minute last night he got to the basket
He’s just gotta finish those. And hit FT’s. Feels like inexperience?
Go to seniors
If we really need a go to guy it has to be KJ or Scoop..when it’s do or die they can consistently drive the basket and either make it or draw the foul and can the FT’s.
by Shockedfan01 on Feb 14, 2012 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
Just went over to the game recap on ESPN
and read some of the comments – now my eyes are bleeding. Ugh.
MCW?
Any word on whether or not he’s in trouble? It was a tough game and Rakeem was yanked after 2 minutes, so maybe nothing to see here. But given the “altercation” last game, one has to wonder…
Not to correct your, Sean, but
I believe Digger said right after the game the how we ground out a win is why he’s so ‘impressed’ with Syracuse.
The 'Cuse is in tha house, oh my God oh my God.
Pitino is a dork
As soon as I saw him with the Colonel Sanders suit and the Cousin Eddie shoes it reminded me of how much I hate him..always needs to be the center of attention.
Outstanding defense despite the bad refs.
As for shooting, Louisville is a very good D and I refuse to believe that Southerland has forgotten how to make 3s.
When he gets hot, it’s going to be a helluva trip back to the mean.
I've been involved in a number of cults, both as a leader and a follower. You have more fun as a follower. But you make more money as a leader.
by Fly Rodder on Feb 14, 2012 9:04 AM EST via mobile reply actions
According to Hop
He’s still drilling them in practice. We get no points for that, but deep down, it makes me feel better.
He has to be
if they’re still playing him. It was nice to see him put in some relatively high-quality minutes when Joseph was on the bench last night, even if he didn’t hit a three.
It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.
by Girardi Party on Feb 14, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
He'll come around.
And it was good to see him do other things besides brick 3s yesterday.
It would be nice if he didn’t just keep throwing them up each time he touches the ball. He had a nice rebound and dunk off of a missed 3, and he had a few other in-the-paint scores last night that show just how good Southerland can be as an all around player. He seems to be settling too easily into a 3 point specialist role (that he’s not succeeding at).
I think the SF position is Fair's to lose.
Coleman or Rakeem in the PF and Melo at C. Or if Melo leaves, Noel at C and Coleman and Rakeem at PF.
Southerland doesn’t dribble well and isn’t strong enough to bang underneath, but he’s scrappy and plays hard. The shots will fall. He had a few wide open looks last night and just pushed the ball. He’s a shooter, if he’s open behind the arc I fully expect him to shoot if he’s passed the ball. That’s his job.
I've been involved in a number of cults, both as a leader and a follower. You have more fun as a follower. But you make more money as a leader.
Remember JOseph hadn't been shooting 3s well
then he got the opportunities and found his mojo a little bit against Georgetown. Maybe playing more minutes will help Southy, The longer he was in the more comfortable he seemed.
Nothing has been said about the Refs putting 1.1 seconds on clock
With Dion on the line and 1.7 seconds (from memory) on the clock, he clanks one off the rim. Dion then proceeds to somehow touch the rebound without fouling any of the four Louisville players also going for the ball. The ball bounces off Dion’s hand and into Louisville’s possession, where the player proceeds to call timeout. The refs then reset the clock to 1.1 seconds.
My mathematical deduction powers reveal that Dion’s touch, ball bounding in the air, Louisville’s grab of the ball, and signaling of a timeout took only 0.6 seconds. WTF?
ESPNU showed a brief replay and it seemed to me that a very generous clock analysis would have given Louisville AT MOST 0.6 seconds.
Is it physically possible for the above touch, bounce, grab, signal to happen in 0.6 seconds or even the entire 1.7 seconds? Not.
I understand we could have been “homered” by the slow flick of the timekeeper’s switch, but the refs even looked at the replay and STILL came away with 1.1 seconds?
It ended up not being an issue, but if Louisville got off a shot and (heaven forbid) made it, I think we would all be looking at the clock keeping a little more closely. Just add it to the (extremely long) list of officiating mistakes that occurred this game.
Glad the game was over by 9pm +/- so my blood pressure had time to go down before it was time to turn in for the night.
I’ll be in the Dome on March 3rd to witness the rematch in person.
'91 SU alumnus
by AlbanyHDTV on Feb 14, 2012 9:08 AM EST via mobile reply actions
To be fair
I thought Dion should have been called for a lane violation there. That would’ve given Louisville the ball with 1.7 left and their timeout still in their pocket.
by cuse2012 on Feb 14, 2012 9:15 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
My biggest issue with it
is that the rule is that the clock stops when the official acknowledges the TO, not when the player puts his hands together to call the TO. Whether this is fair or not in the age of replay is another story. Also, it should be noted that the clock didn’t start when it should have on that play.
this seemed a lot like the UK/Vandy game to me, but...
A great win for the ‘Cuse, and very similar to UK’s win @ Vandy – albeit against a better opponent.
Parallels –
UK is down late as Vandy is surging on their home court with a raucous crowd behind them and proceeds to hold Vandy scoreless down the stretch by clamping down on the defensive end.
SU is down late after a L’Ville 15-2 has the whited-out, filled YUM! Center going bonkers and proceeds to hold L’Ville scoreless over the last 3:30 to take control and hold on.
After the UK game writers / fans everywhere are pumping up the UK D (deservedly so) and after the SU game it seems everyone is pointing to the terrible officiating (questionable calls were made against both clubs) and Cuse’s glaring weaknesses (rebounding, outside shooting).
On a neutral site between these 2 teams you’d have quite the basketball game. It’s obvious neither team likes the game slowed down and loves to get out and run off their defenses. Anthony Davis’ offensive prowess (his biggest ? when not catching ‘Oops) would be really challenged against the SU zone if the 3’s are not falling – does he have enough moves to score on a big physical Orange frontcourt or get them in foul trouble? The Orange strategy besides running on O, and getting back quickly to set up the zone would be to go right at him in the paint and try to get him in foul trouble. With Waiters, Triche, and Scoop coming off Melo ball screens they will get into the lane and are physical enough to take it at him repeatedly, whether he spikes it off their face or fouls.
This is a game I want to see.
This game was hard to watch
the whole time I felt like well heres our second loss. It just felt inevitable. All the hype, everyone mentioning how UofL has our number. Kept thinking how sick it would make me to see their fans rush the court. Our depth bailed us out. 26 points from the bench to their 2. What a tense last few possessions though
May Doug Marrone bless you and keep you.
One of the few games this season
that has had me truly worried – I agree, this felt like a loss, and most years it would have been. Raucous road crowd, wildly inconsistent officiating, SO many missed shots, Dion missing the front end of a one-and-one to give them the ball… Most teams would have lost that game yesterday, and there’d be no real shame in it, but this team isn’t most teams.
It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.
by Girardi Party on Feb 14, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
No offense to you guys at all,
But we wouldn’t have rushed the court for Syracuse or anyone for that matter. We’ve been there before, just like you guys. March 3rd can’t come soon enough. I’ll begin my shopping for my red plaid jacket, don’t hate. P.S. Thanks for giving LVL a little credit on this site, there were some real a-holes trolling the chronicle the last couple days making it hard to enjoy our site.
by cardchomp on Feb 14, 2012 2:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I was about
to post the same thing about rushing the court but then I realized it half heartedly happened when Freedom Hall was closed out against the ‘Cuse in stunning fashion. I bet you can’t find video of it happening besides this lone exception.
for the record
I saw that one troll (Fab’s tutor?) on your game thread, and if you clicked on the profile, you’ll see that he isn’t even a member of TNIAAM. I’ll just assume he was a UK troll. (-:
Shut up brain or I'll stab you with a Q-tip
Jim B said it
“You’re going to get in games like this in the tournament. I don’t care who you are. You’ve got to be ready to be able to make those plays at the end of games. If they make a play, hit one shot, the end, we lose. In the tournament, you go home and you’re going to play teams like Louisville and teams just as good or better.”
“You can either give the defenses credit or say it was a bad offensive game. We’re going to look on the bright side and say it was a real defensive struggle tonight.”
This might be the best, maybe “most important” is a better term, win of the year. I’m going to agree with Jim B and chalk this one up to just two great defensive efforts rather than simply poor offensive play by the Orange. Sure, mistakes were made, bunnies were missed. But I credit the D on both sides. Being able to win games with defense is critical to a deep tournament run. The Orange have shown they can win close games against good teams. March will be very exciting. Key stats.
CJ, 13 pts, 5-12 FG, 3-4 FT 5 reb. Saving the Orange’s bacon once again. Love this kid.
Fab, 11 pts, 3-3 FT, 6 boards. A solid effort and he stayed out of foul trouble. I did notice him watching the ball on a few rebounds instead of getting a body on someone, though. That needst to be corrected in a hurry.
KJ- 6 boards. I like that he always finds a way to contribute. He didn’t score a lot, but he was good on the glass. I just wish he’d have more games where he does both.
Syracuse 8 TO/L’Ville 16 TO. 5 games in a row with under 10 TO while forcing 10+. Syracuse might typically be outrebounded, but they make up a lot of that with their TO margin.
Syracuse 37 reb(16 Oreb)/L’Ville 39 reb (16 Oreb). Speaking of rebounding, even though it seemed like Bahanan was killing them on the glass, the Orange didn’t do all that poor of a job, considering some of their recent efforts.
Syracuse, 61 FGA/L’Ville, 49 FGA. A pretty significant disparity in a game this close.
Kyle Kuric, 3 pts, 1-8 FG. Kuric was obviously the key to Jim B’s game plan. Not only is he L’ville’s leading scorer, but he’s had a habit of torching the Orange. But they knew where he was at all times and he never really got any clean looks. Well done.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
Question about refs and conferences
So a few times I’ve seen someone here say “Can’t wait until ACC, no more Higgins and Burr” and then someone reminds them refs aren’t conference affiliated.
But don’t Higgins and Burr MOSTLY work Big East games, or is that just where I see them? It seems like they’re working a BE game every night so that doesn’t leave room for much else.
In the ACC, we’d at the very least see much much less of them, wouldn’t we?
Burr is pretty unpopular in the Big 10
and Ed Hightower, whom we seem from time to time in the BE, is a major B1G punching bag (exhibit A)… so I don’t know the exact technical answer, but I do know they work cross-conference. I would have to think that we’d rarely, if ever, see them.
But the first time we go down to Cameron and lose a game when a Dook guard takes four steps and pushes off en route to making a game-winning layup with zeroes on the clock—which is somehow upheld—we will have a whole new crop of officials to hate.
It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.
by Girardi Party on Feb 14, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Burr does more BE games than not.
Higgins is ALL over the place though.
On a side note, the team that Burr has reffed the most since 1997 is, you guessed it, Syracuse. Fuck me.
Go Orange(men)!
Let me re-phrase that
BOTH Burr and Higgins have called Syracuse games more than any other team.
Go Orange(men)!
Refs don't work exclusively for one conference
They usually work mainly with one or two conferences, but some, like Higgins, work just about everywhere.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Feb 14, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Jim Burr works the following
52% of the games he refs are Big East
19.5% Big 10
He has only reffed 35 ACC games since 1996. Compare that to 370 Big East games since 1996.
Higgins:
59% Big East
11% Big 10
He has reffed 25 games in the ACC since 1996. Compare that to 365 Big East games
Source: http://statsheet.com/mcb/referees/tim-higgins
Lots of people have been saying, you’re not going to get rid of them in the ACC. Well, we will see them much less.
That being said, I’m sure we’ll learn to hate the refs in the ACC in no time.
http://cusepulp.blogspot.com/
Thats assuming
They don’t decide to follow us……
Thanks for the link
Now know how I’ll be spending my afternoon…
I mean, working, right.
It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.
by Girardi Party on Feb 14, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions

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