Clemson Forms Athletic Advisory Committee

Don't shoot the messenger. There are lots of reasons to form an advisory committee... but the language in the press release is a little bit concerning. First sign that there may be fire behind the blog smoke...

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This is the news that UCONN and Rutgers have been waiting for...

Bad news for both the ACC and the BE…if the ACC loses one team they’ll have to pull at least one other, probably from the BE. If the BE loses anymore founding members, ND will question the league’s viability and may pull chocks for greener pastures…maybe even the ACC.

So…maybe not so bad for the ACC.

Thoughts?

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by Benny The Red on Jan 31, 2012 9:28 AM EST reply actions

My hope

My hope is that Clemson and FSU are just doing this to give the ACC credibility in approaching ESPN for a renegotiated contract. If the ACC is not competitive with the Big XII and SEC financially, then it, too, cannot survive long-term. Not saying it would work, but if ESPN cannot keep the ACC up to par with the Big XII, it will become a secondary conference.

Again, the money in TV is in live events. They cannot be recorded as effectively and people will sit through the commercials, no matter how awful. Losing big-time college football and basketball will hurt ESPN.

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by ezcuse on Jan 31, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions

ACC will be fine

So long as they can control the Northeast, because lets be honest, the Northeast could care less about the SEC or the BIG12

by fatmofo55 on Jan 31, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions

True

But how much does the northeast actually care about college sports in general?

by cuse2012 on Jan 31, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions

Not much,

but the idea that they might at somepoint still holds some value.

by fatmofo55 on Jan 31, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions

Whoever wrote the press release

Needs to be fired. First they say that Clemson is a top athletics program. Then they say that their goal is to take Clemson athletics to the next level. How can they go to the next level if they’re a top program? I would agree with any and all that say Clemson is nowhere near a top program. But to put such contracdictory statements in the release is sloppy.

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by FeloniousPhunk on Jan 31, 2012 10:45 AM EST reply actions

Could be a bad sign

But really not sure where Clemson would land. Hard to believe the SEC would want to add another mid-level team after grabbing Missouri and A&M. Clemson had a good year, but they aren’t always a BCS team. Actually, a lot of people would argue they were this year. So, would they go to the Big 12? I don’t see that. First, expenses will be a lot traveling so much. Second, who knows how that league will hold together.

My feeling is the Big 10, SEC and ACC are all hoping for Notre Dame. I don’t see the SEC expanding unless they can pull Texas and/or Oklahoma. But, the baggage that comes with that is extensive. OU won’t come without OK St. and TX won’t come without their network. So, why would the SEC go to 16 with schools like Clemson, who offer nothing they don’t already have? I think much of the same argument goes for every ACC team except maybe Florida St and Miami.

The BE can’t like this. If the ACC loses another school, UConn is almost guaranteed to move. Plus, if the Big 12 takes 1 or 2 ACC schools, Louisville comes into the ACC conversation.

by orangetundra on Jan 31, 2012 12:06 PM EST reply actions

I think the issue

is Clemson wanting to be part of a lucrative football conference. If the ACC is paying $15M and the Big XII is paying $30M, what would you do? We left the Big East for less of an increase.

The Big XII is the biggest threat to everyone right now. They could take nobody. They could take Louisville and BYU (or Cincy). They could try to go big and see if FSU and Clemson want a raise.

If you are FSU and Clemson, I don’t think you can make this move because Texas could always decide that independence or the Pac-12 are better.

This stuff is insane—just never stops.

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by ezcuse on Jan 31, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions

FSU isn’t leaving the ACC for anything except the SEC. And even that’s questionable.

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by wildcatlh on Jan 31, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions

I doubt the ACC would look at Louisville

Their academics are even well beyond Florida State and NC State. I think the ACC would look at UConn, Rutgers and then someone like Temple before Louisville. Although now that I look at it, Temple isn’t ranked as highly as I thought they were. So I guess I don’t know.

by cuse2012 on Jan 31, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions

This

The reason WVU was denied entry into the ACC was because of lower academic rankings. Currently, WVU and UL are tied in the US News and World Report Rankings at 165 (if memory serves.)

"that place laid the foundation for who I am. A lot of outsiders make fun of it and say negative things about West Virginia. Fuck them" - Jerry West

by MountaineerAirman on Feb 1, 2012 7:04 AM EST up reply actions

Is the Big 12 getting $30 million?

See, I don’t know what each school is getting in TV. Hard to believe that number when teams are looking to jump out of there. I mean, is the Pac 12 getting more and that causes Colorado to jump? Plus, doesn’t the Big 12 have a staggered payout with each team receiving a different level? The Big 12 lost 4 teams because of the money payouts which is why I think Clemson may want to think twice. If Nebraska didn’t like the way things were going that is a serious statement.

I’m not saying Clemson won’t jump and I guess if it is double the payout (I didn’t know that) it may be a good move. I know the Big 12 would rather add a school like Clemson over the remains of the BE. To me though, seems like a weird thing to jump out of the ACC, over the SEC to land in a spot where they have no geographic or rivalry ties. I see it in WV because they had no choice. I think WV would have taken the ACC over the Big 12 had that option been there.

The irony in all this is the BCS wants to get rid of the AQ because they say it is causing conference upheaval. I have been calling BS on this. Conference swaps are about the same thing as the BCS….MONEY. But, the AQ has nothing to do with it. There will me more shifting as the money increases. Wait till we see what impact NBC has on all this.

by orangetundra on Jan 31, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions

Yes and no

AQ has nothing to do with it for the likes of Missouri, Nebraska, Texas A&M, Colorado, etc.

But for teams like Boise State, Houston, San Diego State, SMU, etc? It’s ALL about the AQ (well, and that they’re still making more money this way.)

I just hope these schools don’t regret this after the AQ goes the way of the dodo.

"that place laid the foundation for who I am. A lot of outsiders make fun of it and say negative things about West Virginia. Fuck them" - Jerry West

by MountaineerAirman on Feb 1, 2012 7:06 AM EST up reply actions

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/17065839/big-12-has-big-longterm-decision-looming-regarding-expansion

Seems that if the Big XII is going to go back to 12, the overwhelming likelihood is that they destroy what’s left of the Big East and take Louisville and Cincinnati.

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by wildcatlh on Jan 31, 2012 5:02 PM EST reply actions

The more I look around

the more screwed USF looks.

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by 'CuseRugby on Jan 31, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions

This.

Out of the current Big East teams (not the new guys) South Florida is the only school likely to not end up somewhere. Someone will take Rutgers, probably the ACC, if anything just to take advantage of the market they lie in. Same likely goes for UConn, plus they can add their studly men and women’s basketball programs and a BCS appearance (even if they did get blown out.) Louisville will be in the Big XII at some point, Cincy has a good shot (though I’m not comfortable with this statement. Everyone assumes it’s the move the Big XII would make, but they would take BYU 100 times before Cincy if only because Cincy doesn’t sell out games.)

"that place laid the foundation for who I am. A lot of outsiders make fun of it and say negative things about West Virginia. Fuck them" - Jerry West

by MountaineerAirman on Feb 1, 2012 7:09 AM EST up reply actions

I have very similar feelings

Although I can see Rutgers getting caught waiting (indefinitely) to get into the Big Ten if the ACC picks up ND and UConn (Big “If”). I just don’t see them being a lucrative target, especially if their football goes in the crapper with a new coach.

The one thing I do know, is the longer UConn and Rutgers are stuck in limbo, the better for SU and our recruiting.

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by 'CuseRugby on Feb 1, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions

The problem with BYU

Is their desire to have a separate TV contract. While the Big 12 needs Texas and can live with the Longhorn Network, they already took a pass on BYU. The only way BYU joins a conference is if their independent status totally flops. But of all the teams out there, they are probably 2nd most desired (after Notre Dame) because they do have a guaranteed national audience. The BE remnants are nothing more than fillers. When a conference gets a single team, they look to the BE to even the numbers.

I think Louisville will land in the Big 12 and UConn will end up in the ACC. The rest really are in limbo and with Schiano leaving Rutgers they are in a bad spot. Their normally mediocre basketball program brings nothing and if football regresses, nobody will want them.

by orangetundra on Feb 1, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions