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When / why did Syracuse become ESPN's punching bag?

Here's what I've heard about Syracuse basketball this season from ESPN:

1. The Bernie Fine issue...

2. They don't have a true road win...

3. They haven't played anyone good / Florida looked just as good in a losing effort...

4. They don't have a go-to guy (but did you hear, they have a deep bench)...

5. Fab's out?!

6. NOTRE DAME WON!!!!

7. Fab's still out...?

8. Boeheim / SU want the trial moved.

9. Syracuse can't win unless the ref's help out.

I don't get it... what have I missed?

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It all comes back to 2003

SU(3) beat Oklahoma(1) Texas(1, [who beat UConn, who beat SU during the season.]) and Kansas(2), who beat Duke(3, but 1 in espn’s heart), Arizona(1) and Marquette(3), and Marquette beat Kentucky(1). Ergo we beat everyone’s preseason, midseason, and postseason favorites and proved everyone wrong. Wrong people hold grudges. #6DegreesOfKevinBacon’d

A Georgetown degree is life's technical foul. - H/T HoyaSuxa
Jim Boeheim is Mick Jagger of college basketball. He gets cooler as he gets older. - Jay Wright

by theNYsportsguy on Jan 29, 2012 6:49 AM EST reply actions  

That's going a little overboard

It boils down to easy talking points and them breaking the Fine story and wanting to control it after muffing the Penn State coverage. I’m sure if we analyzed what they said about every other team we would see the same dumb talking points, good or bad. It’s all about bringing in eyeballs, and in today’s society that means the eyeballs of people that will believe anything and everything and latch onto it. It’s no different from the cable news channels covering stories.

by cuse2012 on Jan 29, 2012 7:50 AM EST up reply actions  

This may be my

greatest drunk post ever. Don’t remember anything about this.

A Georgetown degree is life's technical foul. - H/T HoyaSuxa
Jim Boeheim is Mick Jagger of college basketball. He gets cooler as he gets older. - Jay Wright

by theNYsportsguy on Jan 30, 2012 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Because Newhouse teaches Integrity and Ethics

Two aspects of Journalism, and sports Journalism, that ESPN can’t comprehend. Why don’t some republicans believe in Evolution, it conflicts with their views. Same reason why ESPN hates SU.

by fatmofo55 on Jan 29, 2012 9:51 AM EST reply actions  

Not to insult you or your point, but half of ESPN went to Newhouse

by clibs1 on Jan 30, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Because we don't wear enough blue.

Or at least, that’s how it seems. I enjoy pissing ESPN off now, though.

Of course, according to a bunch of posters here, ESPN treats SU like any other school (cough*bullshit*cough).

by pegs on Jan 29, 2012 10:14 AM EST reply actions  

More Then A Few...

ESPN execs are Newhousers. Great way to stick it to your boss.

Nothing Is Fool proof if you have the right fools.

by GiantsCauseway on Jan 29, 2012 11:23 AM EST reply actions  

+1

Oh, look at me! I'm making people happy. I'm the magical man from. Happyland in a gumdrop house on Lollipop Laaane! Oh, by the way, I was being sarcastic.

by stumpycuse on Jan 29, 2012 1:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Agreed

If anything, ESPN is pro-syracuse because of all the alums that work there. They analyze the team, which means pointing out its flaws as well as its strengths. Many fans only listen when they point out the flaws though.

http://cusepulp.blogspot.com/

by Lots of Pulp on Jan 30, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Rationality in Syracuse fan.

I can’t believe my eyes

/Rec’d

by DukePettyjohn on Jan 30, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

There's elements of both here

Obviously it is not a conscious decision by ESPN and its personalities (no matter what you think of Gottlieb) to marginalize Syracuse, but I also don’t think it has been completely fair. My best guess is that ESPN thought it had a huge story with Bernie Fine, realized it wasn’t nearly as pervasive a story as Penn St. and is now trapped having to cover one of the nation’s better teams. They probably don’t want to pump up the program they almost (?) ran into the ground. So that is one factor.

Then there is also that, as Sean pointed out a few weeks ago, Syracuse is not truly one of the Blue Blood programs. ESPN prefers to cover those schools because those schools are the big draws and have been for quite some time. The only real point to wonder about is why Ohio St. gets the love it does, as I certainly would not say it enjoys better tradition and pedigree than Syracuse, but that may be because the Big 10 is very profitable and OSU has 9 bilion alumni out there who LOVE OSU. (As an aside, I lived in Ohio for 8 years. Those people are very passionate, and also quite obstinate about their Buckeyes.)

So overall, I would say it is somewhere in the middle. Syracuse is not ESPN’s favorite team, but I also don’t think they “hate” the Cuse either. At least we know Nike likes us, right?

by smann on Jan 29, 2012 6:50 PM EST reply actions  

My biggest beef with ESPN is

“Syracuse doesn’t play a ranked team on the road until February 5th!”

Which, I guess, is the only thing ESPN considers to be a “real” game.

Now, even this wouldn’t be as big a deal…..if they didn’t hold teams like Kentucky or UNC or Dook to the same standard. UK isn’t playing any “real” games in conference until February 7th and ESPN only peeped once, and it wasn’t in the mocking way they do it to us. As for UNC, they’re guilty of about 90% of the sins we’re guilty of, their only difference being a road game at UK, which is forced every year. And then there was the whole FSU drubbing on the road which ESPN didn’t mock them for as much as they mocked us for our road loss at ND which wasn’t nearly as bad. As for Dook, how many teams can you find that lose a game and then move UP in the rankings three spots? Also it seems like Dook almost NEVER leaves Cameron Indoor these days.

by adselver15 on Jan 29, 2012 7:26 PM EST reply actions  

How legit is to be seen:

Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi St all played at home, so logic says they will play a road game.
Florida is the only other SEC ranked team, and obviously they played us this year.
Arkansas, Auburn, LSU, Ole Miss, and Vandy are the other 5 SEC teams that played on the road in the challenge, so you assume they are home. Not exactly the pick of the litter.

Plus with the difference in the number of teams, however unlikely, there is no guarantee that we are selected for the challenge next year. The BE could spite us and Pitt since we are leaving and hold us out of the event.

Go Cuse!

by nymetsfan1226 on Jan 29, 2012 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

You think the Big East

will give us a good team? They will stick us with Auburn or LSU just to wreck our SOS.

by fatmofo55 on Jan 29, 2012 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Why even have an SEC challenge?

There are two worthy SEC schools… Kentucky and Florida. Everyone else is just an RPI drag.

I’d rather we opt out and play a top 10 program on our own. Go on the road. If you win, you get a great win. If you lose, at least you tried. Play it after 5-6 games so the freshmen have a rough idea what college bball is all aobut.

After all, what did the NC State win get us? Absolutely nothing from a reputation standpoint. Why even bother?

http://atlanticcoastconfidential.com/

by ezcuse on Jan 29, 2012 9:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes One Hundre Percent

Some years the NC State types may be a top 25 school, but more often than not you’re going to get a middling team by playing that type of school. Go schedule Ohio State, Michigan State, Kansas, Kentucky, Texas (most years), and when they move to the ACC schedule UConn, and known top 25 schools. Playing this roulette game with mid tier BCS schools is blowing up in Cuse’s face year after year.

by krackatoan on Jan 29, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

We are the #2 team in the nation

and a projected #1 seed in the NCAA tourney. We have the #1 RPI and the #7 SOS. How exactly is our schedule blowing up in our face?

F#&% the Big East

by dacj501 on Jan 30, 2012 5:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I hate this argument

The reason Cuse is #1 RPI and #4 SOS (it went up) isn’t because their schedule is good it’s because some of the teams that Cuse always plays as guarantee games (Manhattan, Bucknell, GW, Marshall, Tulane) haven’t been atrocious. Cuse has gotten extremely lucky those teams have been half decent. Please tell me who’s schedule has been better.

Syracuse- Fordham, Manhattan, Albany,Colgate, Tulane, Marshall, VT, Stanford, Eastern Michigan, Florida, GW, NC State, Bucknell, Tulane

North Carolina- Michigan St., UNC- Asheville, Miss Valley St, Tennesse St,, UNLV, South Carolina, Wisconsin, Kentucky, Evansville, Long Beach St, Appalachian St, Nicholls st, Texas, Elon, Monmouth

Baylor- Texas Southern, Jackson, State, SD St, SC St, Texas Arlington, Praire View, northwestern, Bethune Cookman, BYU, St Mary’s, WVU, Miss. St.

The fact that Syracuse is 19 spots (!) ahead of UNC in SOS is unreal. There is no way there’s a variance of 19 places between those two schedules. They were scheduled in the same exact manor. Guarantee games, and then a few “big” games. UNC’s top end games (at Kentucky, Kansas, Michigan State neutral) are far and away better than anything Syracuse has. I don’t see how that’s even debatable yet as Syracuse fans we whine when analysts point it out. Sorry guys, it’s true. The schedule to this point has been average at best. We’ll see what this team really is down the stretch. L-ville twice, Uconn twice, Georgetown.

by krackatoan on Jan 30, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

regardless of the reasons, we are #1, #4 and #2 in the polls

I still don’t see how our schedule has hurt us…

F#&% the Big East

by dacj501 on Jan 30, 2012 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Hurts

SU in the sense that they haven’t been tested by a good team down the stretch outside of Florida. I do think we don’t know what these guys are made of yet.

by krackatoan on Jan 30, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

ESPN hates Boeheim

because he doesn’t suffer fools.

by SaratogaCuse on Jan 30, 2012 8:28 AM EST reply actions  

ESPN LOVES Boeheim

The PTI guys have him on every chance they can. He also doesn’t mince words, so he’s a great quote and a great sound bite. He’s surprisingly accessible to the media and he tells you what he thinks.

What’s not to love?

http://cusepulp.blogspot.com/

by Lots of Pulp on Jan 30, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

The media love a guy who doesn’t give a crap if there’s a microphone in front of him.

"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes

by FeloniousPhunk on Jan 31, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

ESPN doesn’t care about orange people.

by OrangeYouGlad on Jan 30, 2012 11:23 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

It's all a cover-up, man

ESPN pulled the strings to get Syracuse into the ACC because 1) that would make their basketball conference more appealing and provide much needed programming during the winter, 2) they wanted to stick it to the Big East for turning down their proposed contract, and 3)it is a proven fact that 100% of all Newhouse alum work at ESPN*.

But, ESPN cannot come out and be pro-Syracuse because then it would be obvious that the network colluded/tortiously interfered with SU/Big East. So they have to appear as though they truly hate Syracuse and have a bias against their sports, and as long as SU fans appear jilted then the rest of the world will be convinced.

*May not be factual

Oh, look at me! I'm making people happy. I'm the magical man from. Happyland in a gumdrop house on Lollipop Laaane! Oh, by the way, I was being sarcastic.

by stumpycuse on Jan 30, 2012 1:28 PM EST reply actions  

We are NOT ESPN's punching bag.

Look, we know Gottlieb has it in for SU and will take any/every chance he can to knock SU. We should be thankful that Tom Brennan, his former tag-team partner/deal-with-the-devil-maker, is no longer at the network. But to suggest that ESPN, which is crawling with SU alumni, is anti-Syracuse is just plain wrong.

And while I don’t agree with many Penn State alums/fans who went crazy on ESPN for their coverage of the Paterno/Sandusky matter (even suggesting that the network was soft-shoeing how it handled SU in comparison to the PSU football program.), we are not being treated totally unfairly by that network. The Fine thing deserved coverage. The schedule can be critiqued. The Fab Melo thing has to be mentioned because the team is really different without him there.

Sometimes, I think we’re too sensitive as a fan base. The way we’ve reacted to every piece of somewhat negative news reported by them would lead one to believe that there’s nothing but Georgetown alums there.

Dedicated Syracuse Orange, New York Yankees, New York Jets, New York Knicks and New York Rangers fan. Riding and dying with 'em.

by That Guy Mel on Jan 30, 2012 4:23 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

This might actually be the only intelligent post on this board. Outside of Gottlieb who honestly takes shots at Syracuse

by clibs1 on Jan 30, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Most people take the "Yeah, buts"

As shots at Syracuse. What they fail to realize is that the ‘Yeah, buts" are well justified. When was the last time Syracuse made it past the Sweet 16? 2003. The back-to-back NIT seasons aside, Syracuse has managed to string together a good run of successful regular seasons. But the regular season doesn’t matter. The NCAA Tourney matters. So, until Syracuse can consistently parley regular season success into Elite 8 and Final Four appearances, pundits and talking heads will always assume the inevitable Orange collapse. And they’d be right to do so.

"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes

by FeloniousPhunk on Jan 31, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Last 12 years

We’ve been ranked in the top 10 for 8 of those seasons. We’ve made it past the Sweet 16 in only one of them.

Without Gerry McNamara we wouldn't have won 10 f-- games, not 10

by PoetryInMoten on Jan 31, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes

by FeloniousPhunk on Jan 31, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

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