Syracuse 63 - West Virginia 61: The Sun Rises, The Sky Is Blue, Referees Suck
I became a lifeguard when I was 16. To do so meant I had to take a seven-week training course at the Red Bank YMCA. In between learning how to give CPR and proper scissor-kick technique, the inevitable Baywatch conversation came up.
I asked one of the instructors what he thought of the lifeguards on the show. He told me that they were terrible, terrible lifeguards. I asked if it was because of their technique or because they don't follow procedure. His response was something like...
"You show me a lifeguard with 50 saves and I'll show you a terrible lifeguard. A good lifeguard prevents the need to ever make a save."
I think of basketball referees much the same way I think of lifeguards. The less I know you exist, the better you probably are at your job.
Karl Hess, we know who you are now.
No. 3 Syracuse Orange snuck past the West Virginia Mountaineers, 63-61, in a controversial finish at the Carrier Dome.
With West Virginia down by two, Darryl Bryant missed a three-pointer for the Mountaineers. Deniz Kilicli grabbed a big offensive rebound and went up for a layup. However, Baye Moussa Keita pinned the ball against the glass in what seemed to be an easy goaltending call. The whistles stayed silent on the court, though, and West Virginia kept the ball with 6.2 seconds to go after Kris Joseph fell out of bounds with the basketball.
Kevin Jones' shot from beyond the arc was off the mark as time expired.
Look, I don't feel good about winning knowing that a referee made a mistake. That said...whatever. If you want to win the game, win the game, West Virginia. Make that three-pointer. Make tons of other shots you missed during the course of the game.
I don't mean to be a dick about it, it's just that Syracuse has been on your side of this so many times, I don't really know what to tell you. Sucks, but, blame the Big East for hiring crap referees, not us.
(And if anyone tells me the refs favor Syracuse I'm going to have an epileptic fit, recover and then laugh maniacally while compiling a list of every horrible call that's gone against Syracuse in the past 20 years that I can remember. Actually, that sounds like a lot of work. Please don't say that...)
Brandon Triche had 18 points for the Orange, who improved to 22-1 (9-1) and have won two in a row since a loss to Notre Dame. Syracuse also improved to 15-0 at the Carrier Dome this season.
Kris Joseph added 13 points and seven rebounds. Scoop Jardine scored nine, dished out five assists and turned it over twice. Dion Waiter scored eight points but did so while struggling.
West Virginia outrebounded SU by a startling 41-20. The Orange also struggled from three-point range. Throw in the fact that Rakeem Christmas struggled mightily and it's a wonder SU won the game. Kinda makes it impressive, really.
Obviously, missing Fab Melo hurt the Orange again. Along with rebounding and the struggles of our big men, SU scored under 70 for the third-straight game. The Orange only scored under 70 points in a game twice before this run.
Kevin Jones ended with 20 points and eight boards for the Mountaineers. Bryant and Gary Browne donated 12 and 11 points, respectively.
All West Virginia can do now is tuck that away in their back pocket and hope they get a chance to pay us back in the BET. Otherwise, it's on to the next game. For the Orange, that would be against the St. Johns Red Storm in our other home, Madison Square Garden, on Saturday.
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Perfect summary
Sucks to win like this but that doesn’t mean west virginia should have taken the w either. Huggins-stop acting like the refs just f#cked your wife. Even if the call went your way you still would have had to fight thru ot. The opportunity would have been nice but nobody stole a win from you. Nice track suit. Buy a tie. Douche.
by Robdanjoe on Jan 28, 2012 8:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions
wouldnt even come close to makin up for the horible calls against SU
this season alone, sooo many games would have been complete su blowouts if it werent fo momentum crushing calls/no calls, marquette is the one that comes to mind that almost cost su the game. ND game too every time cooley would get a crazy rebound it shoulda been an over the back call, even doris burke was going crazy on the refs. Anyways cant wait till these shots start falling again and su blows out the remainder of theyre sched. i think this long break will help, when they trained krisjo not to drift on his shots he was killing it from deep, (although i would rather him drive the ball and get fouled cus he cud everytime he tries but then again the refs are awful and probably wouldnt call it.) think the extra time/ and work with the players will do wonders
Actually
Now that you mention Marquette, this reminds me most of the game in the tourney last year. The incorrectly called back court violation against Scoop denied us a chance to tie the game. I remember going apoplectic when the call was made. After the game though I thought to myself, why were we even in that position? We played terribly that game. One bad call didn’t absolve us from that.
yeah the refs suck
And Karl Hess has stuck it to SU plenty of times. The bottom line is, if that is called correctly, SU has the ball with 10 seconds left and the game tied. JB calls a timeout, puts Scoop back in, isolates him, and he either gets to the hoop or it’s a drive and dish for a layup. WVU was not stopping SU in the final minutes. The one stop I can think of was more that Dion should have passed instead of taking that forced fadeaway. He’s really pressing and needs to relax. Really WVU’s offensive rebounding is what kept the game close. That and SU’s horrific outside shooting. If Fab is not reinstated next week, does JB consider burning Cooney’s redshirt to help SU’s outside shooting woes? I think it’s a possibility. Interestingly, in 2003, SU beat Seton Hall at Seton Hall and SU benefited in that game from a dubious non goaltending call late (today’s was worse). I can still remember Louie Orr hopping mad after the game yelling at the refs.
Cooney??
There is ZERO chance he plays and gives up the redshirt. That’s a crazy idea. He hasn’t played in a game since the exhibition season AND he’s never played against high level college competition. Boeheim would never do something that stupid. He’s a good shooter but unproven at the BE level. Suggesting that scenario is nuts.
Cooney y/n
So yes or no for burning Cooney’s red shirt?I feel like your giving mixed signals here…
by jeff b on Jan 29, 2012 12:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
There is no way they burn a red shirt
There is not even a precedence for it. If he was good enough to compete he wouldn’t have red shirted. SU would have an 11 deep lineup. MCW has played pretty good lately and he doesn’t even see court time.
by orangetundra on Jan 29, 2012 3:06 AM EST up reply actions
I don't understand
How do you intend to replace Fab with Cooney? Even if Cooney comes in ready to play and starts knocking down 3s like his hands are on fire, how does that help the Orange rebound or defend the paint? This team is not going to simply outscore opponents, no matter how many 3s Cooney might be able to drain. This is a defensive team. They need their defenisve leader back.
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by FeloniousPhunk on Jan 30, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
End result better than seeing headline "Despite missed call WVU upsets Cuse"
Look, the lack of a call was pretty bad… But a goaltending call would have given Syracuse 9 or 10 seconds left (and 3 time outs). I liked their aggressiveness during the last few minutes of the game, so I’d gladly take a tie game, 9 seconds left, with the chance of Dion, Brandon, or Kris attacking the rim to at least get a chance at FTs – since it seemed like everyone was getting fouled when they went inside at that point… If the blown call led to WVU getting a 3 at the buzzer, would we be talking about how Cuse got the shaft?
I had thought the same thing
I really thought it was going to happen too.
and rememember
Scoop is great at making time expiring 3s this year.
Oh well
I guess SU can take this as payback for the awful over and back call on Jardine to end our season last year. We had one coming to us.
Although we got pretty much dominated inside again
I was glad to see flashes of the old BMK. He still seems to have just about the worst hands in the history of hands, but he had a significant positive effect on the game for the first time in weeks.
by Rocklionheart on Jan 28, 2012 8:50 PM EST via mobile reply actions
his hands are horrific
I’ve reached the point where I don’t get mad at him any more, I get mad at any of our other players passing him the ball. don’t they realize he can’t catch the ball? K-Jo attempted to pass to him on a pick and roll which had a 1% chance of success. Unless he’s wide open under the basket you can’t throw it to him. they’re playing 4 on 5 on offense when he’s out there
Dude might need to get his vision checked.
No kidding. He looks like he reacts too late to hard passes because he doesn’t quite see them getting to him.
Good teams find a way to win the game...
and occasionally they get lucky, too. Long story short, Syracuse put themselves ahead, and WVU was playing from behind. If Bryant makes the bucket, or if Kilicli dunks the ball, they don’t need to rely on the refs to make a goal-tending call for them. Obviously it would be nice if the refs could do their jobs properly, especially when Baye made it pretty easy for them (I don’t want to think the refs helped Syracuse win). But no team should DEPEND on the refs to make the calls correctly every time. Because time and time again, for better or for worse, they’ve shown that they’re going to screw up calls.
by Syracuse is Oranges on Jan 28, 2012 8:53 PM EST reply actions
Yep
Syracuse has won many games DESPITE the refs.
One game in our favor, I’m not gonna dwell on it. Onto the next one.
by pegs on Jan 28, 2012 9:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's not even "One game in our favor"
It’s one call in our favor. I just happened to be the last call they had to make in the game. Nobody would be talking about it if it happened when SU was ahead 18-16 ten minutes into a game that they went on to win by 2.
Shut up brain or I'll stab you with a Q-tip
The other thing
is if you win by 10, nobody says a thing about one bad call. Take care of your business and don’t let the refs decide the game. Now if the free throw difference is like 46-2, then that’s another story.
Without Gerry McNamara we wouldn't have won 10 f-- games, not 10
by PoetryInMoten on Jan 29, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
They should get some serious playback
On the ESPN worst of the worst or whatever it is called. That and the XP. Can’t believe how 1 network can vilify a college team so badly.
Nah
This wasn’t nearly as bad as the missed PAT against Toledo. That one was reviewed and allowed to stand. The goaltend, while obviously a blown call, is a lot easier to miss in real time and is not reviewable. Still a terrible miss, but no where near Worst of the Worst status.
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by FeloniousPhunk on Jan 30, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Saw something on twitter about
that was Karl Hess’ 21st day of work in 28 days. I know this doesn’t sound like much for normal people, but add in travel time and that’s a lot of work for one person.
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you should tell Mark Schwarz
maybe he’ll do a piece on it
I read an article awhile back
About how it’s impossible to have the “ideal” basketball referee. The young guys don’t have the ideal amount of experience and the older, more experienced, guys simply can’t get in the ideal position to make every single call. I’ll bash refs just as much as anyone. But I never in my life would claim that their job is easy.
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by FeloniousPhunk on Jan 30, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Did this make anyone else think of the Toledo game?
I don’t think this was as bad a that though.
by andre78m on Jan 28, 2012 9:40 PM EST via Android app reply actions
In 10 days, no one remembers this game.
Much ado about nada, IMO.
by VerbalKint on Jan 28, 2012 9:52 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
I said the same thing about the ‘missed’ XP against Toledo. Yet I still see that clip. Now, we get the package deal. I left the TV on ESPNU after the game (for about 3 other games). Out of the blue, probably twice per game, they’d just mention the SU/WVir game. Announcer: That looked like a bad call. Other Announcer: Yeah, reminds me of that Syracuse game.
Iowa St beats Kansas and this game is what everyone is talking about. SU isn’t even #1 or unbeaten anymore. Get ready for the month-long run on ESPN’s worst of the worst.
by orangetundra on Jan 29, 2012 3:11 AM EST up reply actions
Amazing thing
Later in the day, the refs blew the same type of call on the last play of the first half of the Ariz/Wash game. Gave Arizona 2 points on a play that was clearly offensive basket interference. Arizona ended up losing by 2 but had a shot at the end. What if they had hit it? Those 2 points at the end of the first half would’ve been the difference. Do you think ESPN and other media outlets would carry on about that situation as much? Yes it was a goaltending but refs blow calls, walks/ 3 seconds, throughout the game that lead to or negate points all the time. How many times during a game have you complained that the refs missed an obvious walk on a play that led to a basket? At best it would’ve tied and Syracuse still would’ve had 10 seconds to go down the other and score. Plus, WVA still retained possession at their ens and has an excellent opportunity to tie or win the game. It’s not like they were completely robbed and had no recourse. If they had had hit a three at the buzzer , it would’ve been Syracuse who would’ve been burned by a call that went in their favor.
Bottom Line
The got manhandled on the boards, had plenty of calls go against them in the course of the game, shot poorly from 3 and won the game. That’s it. The refs blow, we all know that. BUT – this team needs to shoot better – they’re awful from 3 and start getting some boards. Fab…….
Soooo Sean,
how long have you been sitting on that lifeguard story for the perfect time to whip it out and use it to illustrate a specific set of circumstances involving a Syracuse basketball game?
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by bigbluethruandthru on Jan 28, 2012 11:40 PM EST reply actions
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is a miracle
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by DukePettyjohn on Jan 29, 2012 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
So if BMK had fouled out...
Would Southerland have anchored the zone in OT? Kris? Joseph played center when he was a freshman in the 6-OT game. That’s a real concern if Fab is to miss more time.
As much as we need Fab to create a lot of our offense
the team still had LOADS of wide open 3s that they missed yesterday. I know they haven’t been shooting great from 3 this year, but it just seemed really out of character to seemingly mist almost all of them.
That had nothing to do with Fab. The team HAS to hit some of those 3s if they expect to win games. As Sean said, I think it’s rather amazing that Syracuse walked away with the win yesterday despite how poorly they played in some aspects.
WV beat Cinci last week on a missed call.
I didn’t hear one peep out of Huggins.
Missed calls happen
WVU put itself in that position to NEED that call to go right to win, as people have said above.
But really, it was a poorly officiated game all around, with some bad calls going both ways. As shocked as I was to not hear a whistle on BMK’s obvious goaltend, no foul call on WVU’s on the ensuing loose-ball dive from Joseph was almost as bad.
The refs seemed to be mostly letting ‘em play and not calling a ton of fouls, but some of the fouls the Cuse big men picked up were pretty soft. The one that really got me was calling a foul on BMK when he’d tied a guy up. I do hate that rule (where hooking someone who has established possession of the ball is always called a jump ball and not a foul) but the fact remains that is ALMOST NEVER called a foul.
And I don’t remember who was handling the ball but a WVU player committed about as blatant a double dribble as I’ve ever seen at the top of the key during the second half.
It wasn’t as close a game so its lack of coverage is understandable but there was no outcry when Syracuse was ultimately jobbed out of a key possession against ND because Burr wasn’t looking. I’m not saying there’s an anti-Syracuse crusade, I’d just say to a WVU fan or anyone else upset about it, look, this happens. The Marquette game last year. Or to use a football example, the two bullcrap calls the Giants had to overcome in Green Bay a few weeks ago.
It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.
Not this $H!7 again
Just more fuel for the ESPN hate fire. Maybe now they can stop masturbating to the Toledo game.
Didn't get to watch
The D-bags at SNY felt that women’s basketball was the better programming option. Fail. I saw the highlights and, of course, the blown call at the end. It is what it is; a W, if an ugly one. I will say, though, that I agree with Sean’s comment that, unsightly and controversial as it may have been, it is sort of an impressive victory. The Orange are obviously missing Fab big time and WVU was able to kill Syracuse where they were weakest. It’s a credit to the Orange to be able to grind out a W. Key stats.
Triche, 18 pts, 7-12 FG 2-4 3pt 2 ast, 2 stl, 1 TO. The spinning wheel of “So and so stepped up and led the team to victory” landed on Triche’s number for this one. For all the talk about his inconsistency and him disappearing, I’m beginning to think that Triche simply waits for his opportunity to shine, rather than trying to force his way into the spotlight (ahem Dion ahem). Whatver the reason, he seems to step up when needed, so I’ll take it.
KJ, 5-5 FT. Not having seen the game, I can’t speak to KJ’s assertiveness in getting to the rim, but 5 FTs seems like more than the usual for him, so I’m going to assume he was in attack mode. He needs to keep it up.
Syracuse, 6 TO. Outstanding. Prolly the reason they were able to win the game.
Deniz Kilicli- 5 points, 2-10 shooting (should have been 7 on 3-10). I’m not gonna try to make Kilicli out to be Lew Alcindor or anything. But he’s a double-wide body and a killer on the boards. 10 FGA tells me a couple things. For one, WVA was going inside to him on purpose. He only had 2 OReb and he averages 5.1 FGA/gm. Huggy Bear tried to exploit Fab’s absence by forcing the ball inside and the Orange were able to stand. Holding him to 30% shooting, not to mention shots where he was fouled and didn’t convert is good. Again, Kilicli isn’t Wilt, or even Herb Pope, but knowing that the paint isn’t going to be an open bar for opposing bigs is good.
Syracuse- 4-20 3pt. 20 attempts it too many. Way to many, especially when you consider Southie only played 17 minutes. This team should top out at 15 attempts and preferrably be in the 10-12 range. The story of the last few games has been poor shooting and a lot of it has to do with shot selection. They’ll have one more game against St. John’s to figure it out, but then the last half of the BEast schedule is a gauntlet. They need to tighten things up if they want to escape with less than 2-3 losses.
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by FeloniousPhunk on Jan 30, 2012 11:34 AM EST reply actions
For the record,
the d-bags at SNY didn’t have a choice since ESPN selected the game for an ESPNU broadcast.
Go Cuse!
by nymetsfan1226 on Jan 30, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
But the people in charge of programming at SNY are still d-bags.
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by FeloniousPhunk on Jan 30, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions

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