Fab Melo's "Academic Issue" Rumor Mill
by Pinker on Jan 24, 2012 11:50 AM EST
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The fact that they didn't come right out and say he was ineligible says a lot. If he had failed a class or failed to meet a requirement, it would sadly be a done deal at that time, but with them seemingly optimistic about getting back to play, I was trying to find out what else could account for it.
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Found it
That is what happened to actioncuse:
Not saying it’s NOT what happened to Fab, but I would bet a nickel that this is where that particular rumor got started
That was a reply to a rumor about an invalid final exam
The answer key part might have came from that but the rumor of a whole class retaking the exam was out there before actioncuse’s post
Disregard that
That is what happened to me. Nothing to do with Melo.
I was trying to explain what might happen if something invalidated a test for Melo.
That's basically what I've heard
Didn’t hear about the answer key thing, though. I know someone on here who didn’t go to SU (actioncuse?) said the other day they had a class in college where the answer key was somehow stapled to the test and they had to sort out what options to give the students. I don’t know if the same thing happened here. People keep asking me what the situation is and I’ve referencing that as an example of why a final would be invalidated. I don’t know if it’s the same reason here, but it’s possible that people have equated the two. I’ve heard of exams and finals being invalidated at other places for different reasons.
Word is that the whole class is affected, which really means the athletes have to be held out of sports while the rest of the class just sits around waiting for whatever decisions the school makes, which sucks for the athletes. I’ve heard there were 4 athletes in the class. One was Fab, there were two girls on the track team and someone else.
Of course, all of this is just hearsay at this point. Hopefully they can resolve this today like they said they were hoping to.
It could be something simple with a test
Like it was just too easy and WAYYY to many people got high scores, or something where the test was too hard/or the wrong test and everyone did really badly
The Grapevine
A co-worker mentioned one of her friends is “close to the program” and he missed too many classes in one course, so he has to make some stuff up and clear an incomplete. It seems like we’d hear more about it if it was an entire class that was affected. Wouldn’t the DO do a special edition about it?
Fly, Eagles, fly...down, down the field!
Don't think that could happen
Doesn’t the university have people who monitor the athletes attendance, so this situation doesn’t happen?
I'm sure Jim B has at least one peon on staff
Whose sole job is to make sure that his players are in class whenever they’re not on the road. Boeheim might be a hands on, micro manager coach personally, but you can bet that he has people who do the micro managing for him.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Jan 24, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
Well First semester atleast
2nd semester they lax off because then they don’t need to be eligible anymore.
someone is checking on them
There’s someone on the team like a student manager or something that checks on guys. When I was at Cuse and had classes with athletes at least once a week a guy would come in walk around before class started and make sure the athletes were there. Even in huge lectures. Deshaun Williams was always in my psychology lecture. He wasn’t always awake, but he was there.
I was in a class with Dwight Freeney
Same there.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Jan 24, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Gerry McNamara never showed up for class
GMac was in my history class (fall semester). There were two grades in the entire class – mid term and final. No attendance, no homework, no papers. He was not there for the mid-term, and was never in class before the mid term. This was in the fall, so it’s not like he was traveling with the team or anything.
Then the last two-three weeks of class (when basketball season had actually started), he suddenly shows up. Didn’t even know he was in the class until then, so we just assumed he was sitting in for some reason. Then he comes to class for two weeks and takes the final.
Weirdest thing ever. It’s like they told him he needed to actually pretend to be in class during the season, even though he clearly wasn’t there for most of the fall.
Not sure how you can pass a class where 50% of the grade is the mid-term, if you don’t actually take the mid-term.
http://cusepulp.blogspot.com/
by Lots of Pulp on Jan 24, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
Certain Athletes
Can get permission to not go to class if they might be a “Distraction” or the other students could become “Distracted”. He was also probably getting all the notes and materials from someone.
I had a friend
Who once realized a class he needed to graduate wasn’t offered his final semester (halfway through the semester is was being offered). He already had a relationship with the prof, and the prof let him take the second half of the course and then take the first half as an independent study the next semester. Weirder things have happened.
If you're going to be stupid, you're going to have to be tough
Director of player development............
The smaller bald guy that sits on the end of the bench, first seat next to scores table is Stan Kissel, he is in charge of Basketball Operations. Lazarus Sims is the Coordinator of Player Development/Asst. Strength and Conditioning Coach and was likely the one who should have been monitoring this!!!!!
Laz screwed this one up!!!!!
might NOT be a hands on coach
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Jan 25, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
That sounds like a legit situation
And I agree, if a whole class was affected you’d think a few of those people would be on twitter by now. The main thing is how many classes can he miss? Seriously, these guys a lot more obligations under a scholarship than the average student. I would think the attendance wouldn’t be as big of an issue for athletes as just getting the work done.
The part that scares me is that they knew this could happen as early as last week. So, why didn’t he get the work done if it was an incomplete? I’m afraid it is a case of him failing or turning work in late and now the professor has the final say on his eligibility.
by orangetundra on Jan 24, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
If he failed
I’m pretty sure there is no appeal and he would have been declared ineligible once the semester started, and the coaches wouldn’t be saying we hoped to have him back soon. They would be saying he screwed up and he won’t be back.
Well, this is America
You can appeal everything. I think whatever it is, he has an appeal pending. Either he flunked and disputed a test or failed to turn in work or something. Whatever it is, that appeal is probably going to be heard by some group of people today and his fate will be determined.
by orangetundra on Jan 24, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
"I would think the attendance wouldn’t be as big of an issue for athletes as just getting the work done."
Depends on the class and when. I had a LAX player in a spring upper level geography class. He was rarely in class, but he always turned his work in.
I've been involved in a number of cults, both as a leader and a follower. You have more fun as a follower. But you make more money as a leader.
Some professors are sticklers for attendence
Which, to me, is ludicrous at the college level, but whatever. I would tend to think that they give more leeway to athletes who are automatically going to miss X number of classes. But I don’t think it’s anything professors are expected to do.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Jan 24, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, it has to be hard to make classes during your sport's season
Fall class for a LAX player? Different story.
I've been involved in a number of cults, both as a leader and a follower. You have more fun as a follower. But you make more money as a leader.
I had a professor like that, my grandpa died and she told me to bring in a obituary...
Like i would lie about something like that to miss a business 101 class.
You keep chanting one more year, I thought college was four years
by PointBlankPeriodPeriod on Jan 24, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
It's funny
Some professors are such sticklers for attendance, and some couldn’t care after the first class. For the most part if you tell a professor ahead of time that you’re going to miss a class for a sport, they’ll let you slide. You might have to make up some of the work, but as long as you’re not missing anything too important, they don’t really care.
I ran 4 years of XC and 2 years of Track in college and as long as I was upfront about things, nobody ever got on me.
Without Gerry McNamara we wouldn't have won 10 f-- games, not 10
by PoetryInMoten on Jan 24, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Good news is we only play 2 games in the 15 days, so if its something to do with an incomplete he has two weeks to do something about it
Those two games (sju and wvu) are not ones i am too concerned about Fab missing. Its the uconn/gtown/ville games we need him back
You keep chanting one more year, I thought college was four years
by PointBlankPeriodPeriod on Jan 24, 2012 12:11 PM EST reply actions
Heard two different theories....
1. Fab had an attendance problem.
2. A tutor “forgot” to tell Fab about a paper that was due…. so Fab had to take the weekend and complete the paper….
I hope the latter is the case cusegirl
that would make it easier to swallow. If this was SEC football, Id be like – wow thats pretty bad. But since this is Syracuse and they obviously care, that one makes a lot more sense. I feel like they have to have a big handle on these guys in terms of their academics since its the one thing they CAN control (as opposed to bonehead twitter remarks, punching your girlfriend, banging your teammates girlfriend, stealing from your quarterback, aggravated assault and battery, etc, etc, etc…)
Or tearing off your girlfriend's turn signal?
http://cusepulp.blogspot.com/
by Lots of Pulp on Jan 24, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
I've heard so many rumors at this point it's not funny
1) Fab missed too many classes, is appealing an incomplete based on work completed.
2) Fab had to have a 1.80 GPA and had a 1.78. Appealing the grade and blaming it on a medication switch.
3) It’ not a new incident and rumors have been swirling since the end of the last semester that it was suspicious academic work and an incomplete was given (which also may have affected his academic standing
4) Fab spent all of last summer with the Brazilian national team and didn’t spend it in Syracuse taking easy summer classes to buffer his GPA (See #2).
5) Mookie Jones got Dion’s girlfriend pregnant. He and Dion agreed to shave points in order to pay for the shotgun wedding. Eventually, everyone on the team started bickering and there were two cliques formed between the Philly guys and the Canadians (KJo, honorary member Triche, and fall practice returnee Andy Rauins). The Canadians decided the best way to raise money was to sell old reports and exams. Their first customer was Fab Melo and he turned in an old Portuguese report on colonial shipping methods. The professor (an Ohio State alum) recognized the report and gave him an incomplete.
I've been involved in a number of cults, both as a leader and a follower. You have more fun as a follower. But you make more money as a leader.
by Fly Rodder on Jan 24, 2012 12:57 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I heard #5 too!!!!!!!
It must be true
http://cusepulp.blogspot.com/
by Lots of Pulp on Jan 24, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
awesome...
#5
"Without Gerry McNamara, we wouldn't have won 10 fucking games this year. OK? Not 10"
by mikecollinsjr on Jan 25, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
Can I chime in with my bizarre Test/Exam Story while at Syracuse University...
Was majoring in Computer Engineering, I was trying to be zuckerberg before Zuckerberg as was everyone else. This was the height of “major in computers and you will be rich”
Anyway, we were studying for this AWFUL Class. Me and a few friends were just not getting the material. It was a day or two before the big exam, it was hopeless. A friend of ours was in the “Engineering Frat” and we ran into him in the library. He gave us a copy of an old test they had in their archives, it was from like 1997 or so (we were in 2001). Me and my buddies figured, eff it, its hopeless anyway, lets just study this and try to “pretend” we are studying and understanding the material, you know how that is.
Anyway, we walk into class the next day.Teacher puts the test on my desk. I look at question 1, OMG, its the same question, same numbers, as the copy i had. My heart began to race. I flipped to page 2, SAME QUESTION SAME NUMBERS, i quickly flipped through the other 3 questions, ALL THE SAME. I could not believe it. I quickly looked back to my friends and we all smiled in unison.
Being that I was struggling to get a C at the time, there was no way it was believable that I could pull off a 100. So i whipped through the test in about 8 minutes, and INTENTIONALLY did a problem half right half wrong so that I could get an 85/90. Then i just sat back and stared out the window till the end of class to hand it in.
Apparently the test made it around to a few hands, some not as smart as me actually went for the full 100, and some even handed it in within 15 min. Some of the “honest” kids bitched to the professor that a past test was floating around with the same questions/answers and although we didnt have to retake that exam, none of the subsequent exams were the same.
I dont remember what grade I got in the class. That was a pretty cool day though.
by OrangeinJersey on Jan 24, 2012 1:10 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I had a similar situation
My friend had taken Calc 3 a year and a half before me from the same professor I currently had. He gave me his old tests, and for practice for the exam, I made sure to do the problems, then test to see what I did wrong. The first 2 exams had a couple of the same questions, but the 3rd was the SAME EXACT test. Frankly I don’t feel guilty if the prof is too lazy to change any of the questions.
The guy was probably in his 80’s and most likely didn’t care. He looked like one of the old guys from the Jackass movie, like almost exactly like them.
Without Gerry McNamara we wouldn't have won 10 f-- games, not 10
by PoetryInMoten on Jan 24, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
If I had known about this...
…I would’ve joined the engineering fraternity! Especially for Statics & Dynamics. It’s not good when the professor starts with “This is the hardest problem I could think of.”
I did manage to make it through engineering, but they cut my discipline, Industrial Engineering, the year after I graduated, which was kinda sad because SU had the first IE degree in the country.
And of course I ended up working in computers eventually anyway, although haven’t gotten rich for some reason.
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Was levy your professor?
He played the weed out role to a tee….
Add Frederic Lyman to my list as well
Him and levy. Scarred into my brain 20+ years later
I didnt mind lewalle.
But Spina,murthy, dang and Davidson were my favorites.
I can't remember his name...
…but I’m pretty sure he was Canadian. I took the class in Fall ‘81, so he’d be getting up there in age now, I think we was fairly young when I had him, maybe 40-ish.
One thing I remember about his tests was that for each problem, there would be a series of questions, and each depended on getting the previous one right. So if you missed the first one, you were really hosed. And there were only 2 problems per test. I remember exam averages were like in the 30s – 40s (although that could be an exaggeration after all these years).
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I went to University of Rochester
And our engineering program had a statics & dynamics weed out class, too. The prof always got complaints about tests being too long for the given time so he have the final with no time limit and it was, of course, impossible.
That being said, our student-athletes were actually there to be students so I don’t have any anecdotes about athletes skipping classes our getting any special privileges. However, one semester a professor showed up to a final drunk (a class I was unfortunately not in, but had friends in) and was rambling on about stuff and hitting on some girls and making fun of other kids. Because of the distraction the school worked something out where the kids basically got the final dropped unless it helped their grade. Crazy stuff happens sometimes I guess is what I’m trying to say.
by JB44ever on Jan 24, 2012 10:36 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Sorry if that doesn't make sense
I’m a little drunk from our state of the union drinking game.
by JB44ever on Jan 24, 2012 10:38 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I assume you were an ME major?
I was an EE major at UofR. Circuits & Systems classes sophomore year were our weeding out classes. It was bad enough that we all joked that EE stood for “Eventually Economics” because about 1/3 of the class dropped EE as a major that year. When were you there? I was class of ’99.
Shut up brain or I'll stab you with a Q-tip
Weeding out...
….had a much different meaing for me in college….
Just sayin….
MEANING....
Weed also affects my ability to type….
ah, ok
They were just starting the BME program when I was there. They had a handful of classes, but not enough yet for it to be its own major (I think most folks went ChemE w/ a focus on BME back then).
Shut up brain or I'll stab you with a Q-tip
Was the frat the "Red House"? Next to Sigma Chi?
Lots of weed and apparantly old tests floating around that place!
The engineering frat
Is down at the far end of Walnut. I forget the name. I went to a killer blacklight party there once, though.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Jan 26, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
Then again...
…maybe not joining was the right decision after all…
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I have my doubts that this is a engineering house party
Someone’s using an Apple.
Shut up brain or I'll stab you with a Q-tip
Privacy Rules...
…I would guess.
This space for rent
Probably not going to hear anything until it's 100% resolved
And by resolved, I mean for good or bad.
http://cusepulp.blogspot.com/
by Lots of Pulp on Jan 24, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Sadly
It will be either He has been reinstated, or Ruled Academically Ineligible for the rest of the season, or worst case of all, Fab has decided to leave the team and prepare for the NBA draft due to his academic situation.
Yep
These are the options, and number 3 isn’t as far fetched as one would believe. He’s a true 7 footer with good hops and quick feet.
Guys have made millions in the NBA for less.
I've been involved in a number of cults, both as a leader and a follower. You have more fun as a follower. But you make more money as a leader.
More like Tiny Gallon
Same boat at Fab; showed flashes, had potential, had some issues with elig, went pro and was never heard from again.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Jan 24, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
It has to be an incomplete
If it were a grade issue, you can’t have a grade “changed.” He’d have been ruled ineligible for the rest of the year. As soon as I heard the coaches were optimistic he’d be back by the WVU game, I concluded that Fab got an incomplete in a class for whatever reason and was ineligible until the incomplete was an actual completed class that he passed. I got seriously ill at the end of my first semester at SU and got a bunch of incompletes. The university treated them like Fs and I was sent (by that a-hole Barry Wells) an academic probation letter. I made up the missed exams and had a GPA of over 3.0. Yet, the school was acting like I was on academic probation until my final grades posted in late January. Hope I’m right because they are clearly a better team with Fab.
Believe it or not you can have a grade changed
I just graduated from SU this past May and I had a grade from a class I took over at ESF during my junior year that didn’t seem right. I went through all of my graded papers and told the professor about it and he sent me his Excel sheet with all of my grades in it. I found a homework assignment that I got a 100 on that he had entered as 0. This ended up changing my overall grade from B+ to A-.
This class was taken during the fall semester junior year. The grade finally got changed on my transcript during the middle of the spring semester that year, like 4 months later.
The rumor I heard is that he’s leaving school to take up acting.
by Jeepers44 on Jan 24, 2012 2:37 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
He said the career he would have if not for basketball
http://cusepulp.blogspot.com/
by Lots of Pulp on Jan 24, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Yes it has to be an incomplete
I believe incompletes change into Fs at the beginning of the new semester. Fab was eligible until the beginning of the new semester. Low grades make a player ineligible at the end of the old semester. If it were a grade issue he would have become ineligible in December.
by Robert M. Armstrong on Jan 24, 2012 3:15 PM EST reply actions
#OccpuyBirdLibrary
should be Fab’s new motto.
THe suspense(sion) is killing me
I’ll show my self out.
Can you delete the part in your post about the answer sheet?
That was from a previous comment thread, where one of the commenters said it happened to HIM. No one is saying it happened to Fab.
I know this has been established in this comment thread now, but we should try to keep this from turning into a legitimate rumor, since it’s not.
http://cusepulp.blogspot.com/
one thought just came to my mind and it scared me..
You know how back in 09-10 how AO was always going to be a game time decision in the Tourney and that he might play this next game! When afterwords it became abundantly clear that he was never going to play.
It too early in the year for them to do that again. right?.. right?? right???…. SOMEONE PLEASE SAY RIGHT.
Right
Cause the only reason we said AO might play was we didnt want to lose our #1 seed. Its still too early for us to try that again, cause with or without Fab, we’ll still have to earn that #1 seed. Now, could we know the results already and keeping it quiet so that WVU cannot prepare for Fab or without Fab? Absolutely. But we can’t go the next 10-15 games saying “Fab might play!”
by Mike Will is DoubleDown on Jan 24, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Well if Boeheim Drags this out
He deserves the COY award again. I wonder if Fab could play the Bernie Fine card by saying that he was like a father figure and that the whole situation had been mentally draining, and took him a while to deal with.
So wait
We’ll jump all over the media for playing the Bernie Fine card, but it’s ok for us to do the same? Can’t say that I’d agree if he tried that angle.
Without Gerry McNamara we wouldn't have won 10 f-- games, not 10
by PoetryInMoten on Jan 24, 2012 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
I suggest
no one put Fab Melo into the twitter search. You’ll go crazy. People saying he’s left school and then right below it some girl saying she just passed him on campus. I don’t know what’s going on anymore.
The swag alone is unmistakable
If he’s anywhere in the city at all, I’m sure the whole town knows.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Jan 25, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
For what it's worth...
Same guy that called me at 8am last sat about the original rumor says its not looking good for melo playing sat, but says issue has not been resolved.
The proved source at Syracusefan.com is changing his odds from
50/50 to 25/75. 75% not coming back. Not good. Ruined my night when I read it
@SethDavisHoops Seth Davis
I’m still hearing Saturday but waiting for official word RT @cbush927: When is Fab Melo coming back
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Jim Boeheim is Mick Jagger of college basketball. He gets cooler as he gets older. - Jay Wright
hey that 73rd follower you just got is me!!
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by theNYsportsguy on Jan 24, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
FEIWFHOECKIN AWSUM!
/follow’d
Born in '87, Orange fan since '86
I guess I made a twitter, follow @StealthTurkey
by StealthTurkey on Jan 26, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
A reliable Source
Tells me that Melo will be declared eligible….By Joe Biden during the state of the union.
The Source: My Imagination.
i know somthing you dont
he will be back soon. I know for fact what is going on with melo from a source who works at SU dealing with this case. He was in a class that had a suspected “cheating ring” and they still are investigating what went down. Doesn’t mean he was involved just that it happened in his class. Heard that they are making everyone retake the test so if he passes that melo should be fine but probably will not be able play until the investigation is over just as precaution so there is no way the would be forced to forfeit games.
Makes sense
But that doesn’t make it true.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Jan 26, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
Well it fits.
They cant give a new exam, until they catch the cheaters. According to Boeheim fab is being optimistic, which means its probably nothing he did. Fabs happy ending statement was probably them officially clearing him of any wrong doing. It explains why it’s taking so long and is not just a quick fix.
Choked on my breffist sammich
LOL
Born in '87, Orange fan since '86
I guess I made a twitter, follow @StealthTurkey
by StealthTurkey on Jan 26, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Im not a huge Hellraiser fan
but some pale demon with pins in his head spouting off about “the delicious pain” is just hucking fysterical.
PROTIP:
if you ever want to sleep peacefully at night DO NOT read syracuse.com comments for information regarding anything. Apparently the Dome Foam is always flowing somewhere in CNY… those people are damned nuts.
#FREEMELO
#FREEMELO
New t-shirt?
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Jan 26, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
Worst thing is....
That’s where I first saw the Fab and Mookie rumor, and was very vile in my responses to the trolls that were making up sh** just to stir the pot…..
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