How far do we drop?
by Andrew Currier on Jan 22, 2012 2:45 PM EST
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PrintSo we lost, albeit on the road and only by 9, but we didn't look good in doing so. Saving grace is that every pollster probably didn't watch the game, so final score doesn't look too bad. I've already heard Gottlieb saying that SU doesn't have any great wins so is this the time to finally bash us? When the polls come out tomorrow, we are pretty much guaranteed to drop from our #1 spot, but how far? Let's look at some of how the other teams fared and keep in mind I am trying to be as pollster minded as possible. (Caveat: I know none of this matters in January but let's just hypothesize for a bit here because it's better than doing the work I'm supposed to be doing right now)
#2 Kentucky, now 19-1 and having occupied the #2 spot for weeks now, will likely move into the #1 slot.
#3 Baylor just lost to Missouri and Kansas and are now 17-2. They lost to two top 10 teams, so despite the two losses, is there a chance they don't fall behind SU?
#4 Duke is now 16-3 but lost at home to FSU. Can't see them ahead of SU.
#5 Missouri is 18-1 and just beat Baylor. This is your #2 team this week, folks. Book it.
#6 Ohio State has been #1 amongst many pundits despite their actual ranking. Now 17-3 after drubbing Nebraska, no time like the present to place them ahead of the pretender Orange.
#7 Kansas beat Baylor and Texas and are now 16-3. They did beat ranked team, whereas SU did not...
#8 UNC is 16-3 but one week removed from their drubbing at FSU. However, FSU just beat Duke at home, so that loss doesn't sting as much. They just shellacked common opponent Virginia Tech whereas SU only squeaked by.
Given all the above, this is how I see the rankings come tomorrow:
1. Kentucky
2. Missouri
3. Ohio State
4. Kansas
5. Syracuse
6. North Carolina
7. Baylor
8. Duke
I don't care where we end up really, but I just think people are itching to penalize us now that we've finally lost. As long as we wake up against Cinci, all will be good. What's your take?
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Mizzou is 2nd and 7th? :P
Top 10 IMO
UK
Mizzou
Cuse
Kansas
OSU
Baylor
Duke
Mich. St.
UNC
Murray State
In reality, we all know the same people who didn’t drop Ohio State for losing on the road without their center won’t use the same logic this time. I think ending up around 5 like you have it is more realistic.
Missouri's just that good.
Damn B12 teams all seem the same to me. I fixed it. Thanks.
by Andrew Currier on Jan 22, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
No lower than 3
UK
Mizzou
Cuse
Then the rest.
If people actually watched the game, they saw ND play their best game of the year and SU play their worst and still only lost by single digits. In the end it doesn’t matter where they rank in the poles, but if anyone votes OSU or Kansas ahead of the Orange they should have their voting privileges revoked.
A Georgetown degree is life's technical foul. - H/T HoyaSuxa
Jim Boeheim is Mick Jagger of college basketball. He gets cooler as he gets older. - Jay Wright
That's the thing
“If people actually watched the game”
Do the pollsters really? Does the #1 team garner more attention from those with votes?
by Andrew Currier on Jan 22, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
have to be third
Losses matter, believe it or not. All those other teams have two if not three losses. No way they should be ahead of cuse.
http://cusepulp.blogspot.com/
by Lots of Pulp on Jan 22, 2012 4:41 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
top 5
given how the rest of the top 5 fared this week (especially baylor, which lost twice, including at home), i can see SU in the 3-5 range. anything less, i’d live with so long as Duke (which also lost at home to an unranked opponent) is still the team with the poorer ranking.
SU is #2
One loss… on the road, at ND notorious place to play, without Melo. Stop feeding into the over analyzed Orange Fan insecurities… ACT like ya been there before. The good I take away from this loss is that at least we did not quit. We did play lousy across the board, we did not reespond well to adversity, our experienced guys did NOT step up, and we panicked for the most part. Lets get this behind us and beat Cincy… that will be a good win. Play D, rebound, work the offense, take good shots. Go Cuse.
Missouri just beat a top 5 team and also only has one loss
I think they deserve to be #2
http://cusepulp.blogspot.com/
by Lots of Pulp on Jan 22, 2012 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
3rd
Kentucky, Missouri, SU.
Undefeated #1’s don’t fall more than a spot or two.
Head-to-head isn't everything
but it’d be tough to rank OSU over KU when KU beat them earlier this season.
I hope we can collectively stop getting butthurt about the polls now. The #1 ranking was fun but we probably won’t get back there this season, and whether we do or not, all that matters is getting to Pittsburgh/Boston in the tournament – a goal still well within reach!
It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.
Especially because
it looks like Fab will be back for WVU.
A Georgetown degree is life's technical foul. - H/T HoyaSuxa
Jim Boeheim is Mick Jagger of college basketball. He gets cooler as he gets older. - Jay Wright
by theNYsportsguy on Jan 22, 2012 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
We
Easily could be #1 again soon… Kentucky barely won their last game and Kansas could easily take care of Mizzou for us.lastly, Ohio State isn’t all that.
by Quint Stevenson on Jan 22, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I guess if teams ahead of us lose
and we keep winning it’s possible. Lunardi says we’re still the #1 overall seed. (And I’d hope so.)
It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.
by Girardi Party on Jan 22, 2012 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
Not to be a troll, but these posts freaking out about our rank are getting exhausting
"We don't lose hat and t-shirt games" - Tedy Bruschi
I don't think the OP was complaining
but merely speculating, which is fine. But I agree, there’s no place for a “lack of respect” / “media conspiracy” post this afternoon if we’re #5 or something.
It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.
by Girardi Party on Jan 23, 2012 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
Should be #2
but probably will be #3. Missouri’s one loss is by 17 on the road at Kansas St.
You could make an argument that our loss at ND by nine is worse.....
K State is a pretty good team, and their home court is a tough one….ND is not as good as K State (IMHO)….And everyone on here saying “we only lost by single digits” is equivalent to Florida saying they only lost by single digits to us….When they weren’t that close, and neither were we…..Even when it got to a two possession game, I didn’t see it happening due to the way we played the first 35 minutes….
But who cares, really….I hope we can get by Cincy….Then get Fab back and all will be right in the world….
I'm done with this shizznick
lets just keep playing games guys, winning cures all
Since the early 1990's I have not been able to get Mike Hopkins' bloody face out of my brain. I don't remember what game it was but I'll never forget that as my first memory of SU basketball. Mike Hopkins, bloody face, bloody nose, all for the love of Syracuse.
The goal at this point
is to be the best team that fits in the Boston regional geographically. With the regions being Atlanta, Boston, St. Louis, and Phoenix… one has to hope that Kentucky fits best in Atlanta. Hard to see anyone in the SEC giving them enough of a challenge to drop from the top 2-3.
Then, a Big 12 (Kansas, Missouri, Baylor) or Big 10 (OSU, MSU) team in St. Louis. The 2nd best team can have Phoenix.
That means we need to stay ahead of Duke, UNC, and everyone else in the Big East.
http://atlanticcoastconfidential.com/
St. Lious is actually Closer for UK.
So expect the ACC team to get Atlanta.
The big wild card is where the best B10 teams ends up. That could move things around a bit.
by Gregory Tuers on Jan 23, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
I was figuring
that Kentucky is an SEC school and Atlanta is right smack in the middle of SEC country. Plus, the SEC plays their tournament in Atlanta (I think). So that is a return trip.
http://atlanticcoastconfidential.com/
This year the SEC tourney is in New Orleans. (Not the Superdome)
Probably so no team runs into the rule of if you play more than 3 games in an arena during the year, they can’t play there in the Tourney.
Go Cuse!
by nymetsfan1226 on Jan 23, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
we're 4th on ESPN/USA Today
Hard to figure on how Ohio went from sixth to third…but what can you do? They did play nebraska last week.
"That's no moon..."
"Now you will wittness the fire-power of this fully armed and operational Death Orange..."
So Ohio State
gets the benefit of the doubt when they lose with Sullinger out but Syracuse gets hammered in the polls when Melo is missing? I expected # 3 but not # 4 behind a 3 loss team.
a little off topic
but the main arguement against us was lack of true road games and the games at msg (250 miles between the dome and msg) so when unc plays at duke (11 miles between dean smith center and cameron indoor) and at ncst (22 miles between smith center and rbc center) and vice versa with duke does that count as a true road game since their names are duke and north carolina?
by Cameron Crapsandwich McCarthy on Jan 23, 2012 3:03 PM EST reply actions
The issue is not distance
It’s hostility. There is a big difference between playing at MSG and playing in the environment that ND threw at us on Saturday. When the crowd is going crazy, it’s a lot harder to play your A game. Plus, the opponent is juiced up.
Winning neutral site games is important, but winning road games is even more telling. The 2003 team won at the Breslin Center (MSU).
http://atlanticcoastconfidential.com/
wow morris has us 2nd in his poll…also has unc at 4 and undefeated murray state at 20
by Cameron Crapsandwich McCarthy on Jan 23, 2012 3:17 PM EST reply actions
That's generous for Murray State.
They’ll be lucky to get a 8 seed in the tourney, and that’s only if they go undefeated.
A Georgetown degree is life's technical foul. - H/T HoyaSuxa
Jim Boeheim is Mick Jagger of college basketball. He gets cooler as he gets older. - Jay Wright
by theNYsportsguy on Jan 23, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
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