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Notre Dame 67 - Syracuse 58: The Day The T-Shirts Died

The bad news started early Saturday for Syracuse Orange basketball and then it never let up. After finding out that Fab Melo was unable to travel with the team due to academic issues and Mookie Jones' departure, the No. 1 Syracuse Orange got thoroughly-beaten by the Notre Dame Fighting Irish, 67-58.

The Orange's two big deficiencies caught up with them. Without Fab, the team's already-poor rebounding ability was just horrendous. And their transition offense was brought to a standstill, leaving the team to rely on a half-court offense that looked shaky at best.

It also didn't help matters that the Irish had one of those PlayStation "F you, you're losing this game" nights from the three-point line.

The Orange were down from the get-go and never seemed to be able to keep pace with the Irish until a late flurry. On offense, they seemed to be in some kind of "just do crazy stuff until someone's open for a three" set. On defense, they always seemed to be playing man-down as Notre Dame always found an open man for worked the ball into the paint easily.

Fab Melo's absence was felt for sure. Sounds kinda crazy to say that given how we would have been just find if Fab didn't travel with the team last year. We welcomed it.

And look, I'm not going to blame the refs, but, they called (and did not call) a terrible game. Just all over the place.

Giving you some kind of sense of the day, James Southerland led the way 15 points and he fouled out to boot. Kris Joseph added 14 and Dion Waiters scored 11. No other player scored more than six.

The Orange were out-rebounded 35 to 24, drew 21 fouls to Notre Dame's 14 and shot 35% to ND's 48%. The Irish also shot 47% from three-point land while the Orange shot 30%.

Syracuse now moves on to another road game against the Cincinnati Bearcats, which is the game SU was "supposed" to lose on this trip. With a loss on the record, the No.1 ranking gone and their weaknesses amplified, we'll find out a lot more about this team come Monday.

Now go take a walk...

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Good recap

I take heart in the fact that, outside of Atkins’ foul trouble, Notre Dame had pretty much a best-case scenario. Randomly high 3PT shooting, no Fab, Syracuse was ice cold all game, questionable AT BEST refereeing (what I want to say: 8-12 AWFUL calls against Cuse including multiple non-calls against their big man for his swinging elbows), and, credit to Notre Dame, a great coaching job by their HC. After all of that… Syracuse lost by 9 points. Nine. On the road.
Now go beat Cincy by 25.

by Nebkreb on Jan 21, 2012 8:24 PM EST reply actions  

It's not even like Atkins' foul trouble hurt them THAT much

it seems like he played about 15 minutes with 4

It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.

by Girardi Party on Jan 22, 2012 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I know it has been asked before ...

but what the hell has happened to Baye? He’s really awful out there, like in pretty much every aspect.

by Rocklionheart on Jan 21, 2012 8:31 PM EST reply actions  

We lost.

No ESPN or Twitter for me until Monday. I can’t bear the gloating.

by Mike I. on Jan 21, 2012 8:32 PM EST reply actions  

I was waiting all game

For Triche to take over.

He has been a ghost the past few weeks. Waiters didn’t have a hot hand, and it just seemed like Brandon didn’t want to take a shot

Is this your homework, Larry?

by Schooled You on Jan 21, 2012 8:39 PM EST reply actions  

This Team is frustrating

Baye is TERRIBLE, Honestly that guy we played earlier in the year with 1 hand caught the ball better, oh and Baye can’t jump. He got out jumped by a fat white goofy looking F*cker. Secondly, Joseph. What is wrong with him. He can’t dribble, he makes bad decisions, his shooting has been poor at best. Thirdly Scoop. Where was our “Leader”, the man disappeared, the most important time in his senior season, and he was a ghost. After this game we should rename this team the Enigma’s, because honestly I don’t understand them.

by fatmofo55 on Jan 21, 2012 8:39 PM EST reply actions  

Easssy does it...

This team is frustrating? Lets not overact here. The Orange are still 20-1, No. 1 in the country for another day and are a National Title contender. To say they’re frustrating is a huge reach. It was a bad game that was sooner or later going to come.

Deep breaths. And, prepare for Monday because SU could be on a two-game losing streak before we know it.

Get busy living or get busy dying.

by Jared E. Smith on Jan 21, 2012 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

But you learn the most about a fighter

when they are against the ropes. So in reality this game might speak more about the team then anything else.

by fatmofo55 on Jan 21, 2012 9:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I've played this game

Unlike a fighter who prepares for one event over months, bball has WAY to many games to use your argument as a comparison. Apples and oranges….more like apples and automobiles.

by jonvi on Jan 22, 2012 8:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Most important time?

I hope Scoop doesn’t view a middle of the season road game at an unranked opponent to be the most important time of his career

by westcoastorange on Jan 21, 2012 9:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Scoop Jardine was flat out HORRIBLE.

BAYE- ATROCIOUS. At least Scoop’s problem seems to be up and down, whereas Baye is unfortunately terminally club-handed.

by Jimmy Smith on Jan 21, 2012 8:45 PM EST reply actions  

Reality Check

Dion Waiters is not NBA ready
Brandon Triche left the team with Mookie
Keita is really average or that hip injury is still hurting
KJo is also not NBA ready

And exactly where was CJ Fair all game?

by orangetundra on Jan 21, 2012 8:47 PM EST reply actions  

Still only one game

At least in regards to Dion and KJo. Keita has been bad all year, Triche has been MIA for a couple weeks now.

by cuse2012 on Jan 22, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

If only...

…we had a go-to guy.

by MannyJello on Jan 21, 2012 8:49 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Ron Morris called and said

“Sara-ee-cuse ain’t not that der good, dropping dem to numba 23 this week.”

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by theNYsportsguy on Jan 21, 2012 8:52 PM EST reply actions  

Calm down people

I love how when we lose Baye is suddenly terrible, Scoop doesn’t show up, and everyone acts like this is a team that is struggling . We played poorly, Notre Dame played very well. End of story. We are still 20-1 and if we can put this one behind us we’ll still probably win the big east and get a great seed. No need to panic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDAmPIq29ro

by westcoastorange on Jan 21, 2012 9:00 PM EST reply actions  

"Baye is suddenly terrible?"

TODAY 25 minutes- 2 points, 2 REBOUNDS, 4 fouls, 2 turnovers.

Last 3 games COMBINED: 48 minutes, 6 points, 7 rebounds, 7 fouls, 4 turnovers

Still sticking to the “suddenly?”

by Jimmy Smith on Jan 21, 2012 9:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Overreacting after a loss bothers me too

But Baye has been puzzlingly bad for a while. I typically don’t like criticizing athletes (especially college athletes) for anything other than a lack of effort, and I don’t think that’s a problem with Baye, so it makes me legitimately wonder how he has seemingly regressed. He’s not getting position for rebounds and struggles to hold onto the ones he gets to, he’s not blocking shots and is generally getting bullied on defense, and he just can’t seem to get up that high.

by Rocklionheart on Jan 21, 2012 11:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Didn't expect them to go undefeated

Melo or not, as a team, they played poorly. Particularly, the backcourt. Triche, Jardine and Waiters were a combined 6 of 25 and forced many a bad shot. Joseph’s first half was really bad and he definitely earned that seat on the bench. The important thing is not to let a loss snowball into a second loss in a row. Have to forget this one Monday night and get off to a good start.

by kd bart on Jan 21, 2012 9:05 PM EST reply actions  

Me neither

But to Notre Dame? Really? I’m not even sure they’d be in the NIT if they hadn’t won this game.

by cuse2012 on Jan 22, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Its not just that we lost...

,,,it’s HOW we lost! We never showed a pulse. Our senior “leaders” were MIA & to call that defense “matador” would be an insult to bullfighters everywhere.
Our HOF coach never even contemplated changing to a man2man, I mean- why not just try it? MCW never saw the floor…again, why not just try it?
We were bound to lose and after the fab situation I’m not shocked. But we had NO SWAGGER today…not even Dion. That has me more concerned than anything else.
Fab is a big part of our team- but this abomination was totally unexpected from what I thought this team was.

by VerbalKint on Jan 21, 2012 9:07 PM EST reply actions  

here we go

lets roll out the man to man bs again…

F#&% the Big East

by dacj501 on Jan 22, 2012 2:55 AM EST up reply actions  

This team

and not just this year, HISTORICALLY, does not play well in the man. They extended the zone and pressed for LONG stretches. I think that’s about as big an adjustment as we’re gonna get. You’re the number one team in the country. Play to your strengths.

It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.

by Girardi Party on Jan 22, 2012 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Problem wasn't defense

It was offense. The defense (after the first 10 minutes or so) is why Syracuse didn’t lose by 30. The problem was that the Orange don’t have the ability to score in the court (particularly consistent 3pt shooting) to make up the kind of deficit they faced.

"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes

by FeloniousPhunk on Jan 23, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

its my fault...

as much as Mookies. I am not ready to be the 11th man. I just got comfortable being the 12th man. I will step it up.

Side note: My 2 yr old asked me where the “go orange super heroes” were tonite. no lie.

by Robdanjoe on Jan 21, 2012 9:16 PM EST reply actions  

Not your fault.

It was my wife’s fault. She didn’t do the laundry and my lucky orange underwear never made it out.

So don’t be so hard on yourself. I hold her fully responsible. Besides, shes a Nova grad. I smell Catholic league conspiracy.

"That's no moon..."
"Now you will wittness the fire-power of this fully armed and operational Death Orange..."

by Benny The Red on Jan 22, 2012 8:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Son of b.

Make sure you give her the hoops schedule so she can plan laundry day accordingly.

by RockLloyd on Jan 22, 2012 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

you

should have washed your own undies. Don’t go blaming your wife

by nonjth on Jan 23, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm actually gonna go ahead and blame the refs...

Not for the loss. But for squelching any nugget of momentum we managed to come up with down the stretch.

by JT1Night on Jan 21, 2012 9:20 PM EST reply actions  

man 2 man

it ain’t going to happen. i;ve seen it only a few times since the 80s and always in desperation. we are a zone team. zone or man2man doesn’t matter against burn bball. add to that the fact that nd’s shots were banking in banking in it was their night, not ours. Dickie V was right, as much as I hate him (and duke – nice work FSU) – we lost on a night we a) played awful and b) allowed a bad team to believe they were good.

by Robdanjoe on Jan 21, 2012 9:20 PM EST reply actions  

higgins shouldn't be reffing jv games

he is awful. always has been. i have strong ties to pittsburg and they hate him too so it isn’t just the “higgins hates cuse” thing

these refs were the worst but in fairness, they were bad both ways. we should have buckled down and played big east rough and tumble ball. they weren;t calling anything. silver lining – if this is the cupcake ball we are now playing we should do just fine in the acc.

by Robdanjoe on Jan 21, 2012 9:22 PM EST reply actions  

Still trying to figure out that out of bounds-non call

Dude had 3/4 of his foot well over the line. In fairness, though, we blew so many chances at the end we probably wouldn’t have done anything with it.

by cuse2012 on Jan 22, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Reffing was terrible

But at least it went both ways. That flagrant they called on Cooley was bull.

"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes

by FeloniousPhunk on Jan 23, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Back to reality

Any good team, at some point, will have a bad (or atrocious) 40 minutes. Nearly every commentator who we actually like Syracuse pointed that out before our loss. Notre Dame is great at home. We were without our starting center, who’s like 6th in the country in shot blocking %. We didn’t have time to prepare mentally — or in practice — for Melo not to be there (his twitter yesterday said he was getting ready to hit the road with the team). And then there’s the insane shooting percentage from three and the godawful officiating (100 second possession?!? Really?!?). We lost by single digits.

Look, I’m not letting our team off the hook. We didn’t look good, but no heart? North Carolina — that’s a team without heart. I really didn’t like how we looked like last year’s team tonight, but I’m over it. The loss isn’t important; everyone loses sometime, and I’d rather our wake up was in January and not March or April. The real important thing is what this team does next. Let’s make Cinci sorry they ever THOUGHT about playing us after Notre Dame.

If you're going to be stupid, you're going to have to be tough

by FatK44 on Jan 21, 2012 9:26 PM EST reply actions  

One of the reasons this one was so disappointing

is that virtually the whole team had a bad game, and that flies in the face of something we all believed to be the main strength of this team: that we don’t need a “go-to guy” because we have 10 of them. I guess we learned that it’s possible for everybody (except Southie I guess) to be off in the same game, and to get a sense of what the team looks like when that happens: not pretty.

That said, I do think this one was mostly an aberration. Playing without Fab for the first time all season clearly disrupted the flow on both ends of the floor, and we looked like a team trying to re-calibrate. We clearly (and predictably) missed him on D, but it surprised me how much we seemed to miss him on O (thinking screens, inside touches, occasional over the top pass for an easy dunk). If we have to go without Fab for a while, at least this one gives us a chance to see the problems that a Fab-less team would have to overcome. Losing can be a good thing, but I also forgot how much it sucks.

by ltbrown on Jan 21, 2012 9:27 PM EST reply actions  

Without Fab our HC offense is even worse

Fab can catch the ball and contribute offensively, and he gets position so you have to guard him. SU doesn’t even look to Baye when hes there on offense, so the oppostion doesn’t really have to worry about guarding him.

by fatmofo55 on Jan 21, 2012 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Good thing Syracuse made those 20-0 t-shirts when they did

and didn’t wait for some kind of 21-0 Turning Stone-sponsored play on blackjack. Borkowski – be honest, you had a drawing ready with Otto as a pit boss and a stack of 21 chips with each defeated team name on them.

by DMF on Jan 21, 2012 9:41 PM EST reply actions  

I figured out why we lost.

We were jinxed by Digger. Instead of pulling for his beloved Irish, Digger chose to wear the Orange tie/highlighter combo today. It’s his fault, with his voodoo magic.

(Any chance it was the tie Julie gave him when Gameday was in the Dome in 05?)

Go Cuse!

by nymetsfan1226 on Jan 21, 2012 10:02 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Classless ND students

chanted “USA” at Keita and Joseph.

by SpartyCuse on Jan 21, 2012 10:27 PM EST reply actions  

Disagree

I think its just the game frustration talking. Losers like the oakland zoo did it to Rautins two years ago and I am pretty sure everyone thought it was hilarious. If the worst chant our players hear during “The Fine Season” is U-S-A, they are getting off easy.

"Point-Blank-Period"

by NotBrentAxe on Jan 21, 2012 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Catholics

It’s not like they have a lot of room to chant about child abuse/scandals. They kind of invented the whole thing. I can say this being a Catholic myself, can’t I?

by texascuse on Jan 22, 2012 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

They also got to hear “you can’t read” directed at more than one of our players.

'Cuse 2010, Michigan 2012

by Orange22 on Jan 22, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Dumb cheer, but I wouldn't call it "classless"

What was even dumber was Notre Dame fans chanting “overrated”. They’re aware their school is the same one that gives us Notre Dame football every year, right?

by cuse2012 on Jan 22, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

God forbid

a school recruits something other than ugly white guys with overactive elbows and a nice shooting stroke. ND basketball is infuriating, for some reason I hate losing to them much more than I should.

It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.

by Girardi Party on Jan 22, 2012 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

what are the odds that

ron morris has us ranked outside of the top 25?

by Cameron Crapsandwich McCarthy on Jan 21, 2012 10:33 PM EST reply actions  

I was thinking that too...

Back down to 4? or worse? Depends on his preseason magic 8 ball.

by JT1Night on Jan 21, 2012 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I know you're kidding

but I hope we can PLEASE cease the Complaining About The Poll for the rest of the season.

(I reserve the right to complain about the Selection Committee if we stay hot but somehow miss Pittsburgh/Boston)

It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.

by Girardi Party on Jan 22, 2012 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Am I the only one whose ok with this lose

I hate that its to Notre Damn. I wish it was Cincinnati actually because they are better and not as stupid. But as much as I wanted the undefeated regular season I want the national title more. And I think that this team could not handle being undefeated going into the tourney. I just think pressure could get to the easy cough :: Scoop :: cough. So hey it had to happen, sucks it happen, but all I know is I wouldnt want to be a Cincinnati player or fan come Monday.

by Collin B on Jan 22, 2012 12:58 AM EST reply actions  

I'm okay with it.

And I’m the one who had to sit through the game in person.

'Cuse 2010, Michigan 2012

by Orange22 on Jan 22, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

im no photoshop guru

any way you could toss all four of those in a square and post as one pic for me? that deserves to be posted on my wall…. check that MUST be posted on my wall

by OrangeInSC on Jan 22, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Higgins 2012

Long time lurker, but just had to reply to this – awesome job!

by weepstah on Jan 22, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

that is fantastic

Love the cherry blossom nose that Higgins is running in these photos. He really needs to go, he was beyond awful last night

by mrbaskums on Jan 22, 2012 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Three reasons we lost

1. Probably the most important: we weren’t running our sets offensively. Too often players seemed rushed and either settled for jump shots or took a difficult shot when they should have kicked it back out or looked for the extra pass.

2. Higgins. Anyone who sees someone standing in the paint with the ball wailing his elbows at players for an eternity should call something.

3. ND got some VERY lucky bounces on A LOT of shots. This game reminded me of the Butler game a few years ago where Butler was making all kinds of crazy shots that would almost never go in.

by adselver15 on Jan 22, 2012 3:15 AM EST reply actions  

We had a stinker

That’ll help with the whole H&H thing.

College kids are prone to have off nights.

Maybe KJo and co won’t be on Twitter at 230am before the Cincy game.

Say Hey-o on Twitter! @RenegadePumpkin

by TheRenegadePumpkin on Jan 22, 2012 5:58 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

I heard a guy on the radio show last night call in and say

“I called in before and y’all laughed at me, but this game proves it, Kris Joseph is a terrible player. This team is terrible because they can’t rebound.”

I had to laugh at the troll attempt, then the guy started getting personally offended that the hosts were still laughing at him and I realized he was serious. At this point I felt bad for him. He’s that guy who sits behind you at games and can only say negative things about our team and complain about the officiating. Every bad break is because “he’s an idiot,” “he’s no good,” or “that was a foul!” Even when we’re winning these people only have negative, pessimistic feelings about their team, I don’t even know why they’re fans.

Fortunately, I think these fools only have the mental capacity to access Syracuse.com, so we’re lucky not to have to deal with them here. Still, I know all of you have sat next to this guy once or twice in the dome.

Lacks knowledge or information sufficient to form a belief

by Rocket Ship Science on Jan 22, 2012 7:48 AM EST reply actions  

I think the guy has season Tix right behind

Piercing voice, constantly negative. Wish he would stop coming.

by RockLloyd on Jan 22, 2012 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Where do you sit?

I had a guy like that behind me in 114 at the Pitt game. And worse, he thought he was coaching. It sucked. We beat Pitt, go 20-0 and I almost had a bad time because of this guy.

Bologna

by AndyKinsella on Jan 22, 2012 11:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Aside from the crap play

The one thing I’m still trying to figure out how in the fuck scoop was called for that offensive foul. I see some bs calls in games. And while they normally upset me or flat out piss me off, by the end of the game I’m good. I realize it was a shit call/no call and theres nothing we can do about it. But I’m not going to let that one go. That was bull shit. Plain and simple.

by OrangeInSC on Jan 22, 2012 9:32 AM EST reply actions  

Really, really awful call

in a game full of curious whistles (or a lack thereof). And Doris Burke continually preening about the “Luck of the Irish” REALLY didn’t help soften the blow.

It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.

by Girardi Party on Jan 22, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Syracuse deserved that loss*

Everyone has detailed why Syracuse earned that loss. Poor rebounding, no interior muscle on defense, impatient half court offense that reminded me of Syracuse teams of old, poor shot selection. It didn’t help that ND was on fire for much of the game. The refs made things harder for Syracuse, but this team is good enough that it should have been able to overcome a little Higgins magic.

Normally after the games my dad doesn’t want to hear about the refs and tonight was no exception. When we spoke he made the point, correctly, that Syracuse lost this game all on its own. But then, completely out of character, he added, “But it’s really time for Higgins to retire. He just doesn’t know what is going on any more.” For my dad to even go that far in blaming a ref was a revelation. I’ve been ranting about Higgins to him for YEARS. He’s short, fat, and old. That’s fine for a scorekeeper, but how the hell is that man physically going to keep up with a basketball game? And how is he, all the way down here with us regular-height people, going to see what’s really happening in amongst the trees? There should be yearly fitness tests for referees. This is to say nothing of his blatant disregard/intermittent willful ignorance of the rules.

Cuse lost this game on their own. But I am so damn sick of talking about Higgins after every game he referees, win or lose. The mark of a great ref is never having to speak his name.

by DMF on Jan 22, 2012 11:32 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

I didn't catch the call on that one play

When ref number one fell down on an out of bounds play. And Higgins couldn’t see it either. Did they review it, or did they go alt possession. Because that was awful.

by Mike I. on Jan 22, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think they reviewed it at the monitors

But they got the call correct. It could have been something as simple as the replay guy or scorekeeper just saying, “Hey, that wasn’t even close, it’s Syracuse ball. Seriously.” The ref that went down was probably out of position, but still, he went down and at least didn’t try to make up a call. There’s no excuse for Higgins to have had any question about the right call though. He said he wasn’t looking. Where the hell was he looking then!?

by DMF on Jan 22, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Wrong

They went by the possesion arrow. Which cost us the next jump ball which happened the very next play.

by fatmofo55 on Jan 22, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait, are you kidding me?!

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE

THAT PLAY WASN’T EVEN CLOSE!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

by DMF on Jan 22, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

not to mention...

The replay of him falling showed him looking in that general direction. Why spend half the game calling what you “think” occurred and then defer that call to the possession arrow? IT MAKES NO SENSE!

by iamrobotic on Jan 22, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Ahhh, thats first sweet taste of defeat.

Its been so long I had pretty much forgotten what it felt like.

Oddly, OK with the loss. They played like they wanted to lose, and they did. There is worse things than losing on the road @ ND with the sudden removal of your starting center I suppose.

Oh well, here is to Cincy Monday night, I hope the boys break out of the funk they were in last night!

by Pinker on Jan 22, 2012 11:46 AM EST reply actions  

listening to Tupac this morning

How many Melos fall victim to the street, rest in peace young Mookie theres a heaven for a G

Since the early 1990's I have not been able to get Mike Hopkins' bloody face out of my brain. I don't remember what game it was but I'll never forget that as my first memory of SU basketball. Mike Hopkins, bloody face, bloody nose, all for the love of Syracuse.

by JFerg393 on Jan 22, 2012 11:50 AM EST reply actions  

Syracuse was the second to the last one left

but life goes on………………………………………………………

Since the early 1990's I have not been able to get Mike Hopkins' bloody face out of my brain. I don't remember what game it was but I'll never forget that as my first memory of SU basketball. Mike Hopkins, bloody face, bloody nose, all for the love of Syracuse.

by JFerg393 on Jan 22, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

One of the ND fans

had a sign that said:

TOMORROW ON ESPN
:01 ND Over Cuse
:59 TEBOW!

I had to laugh at that. Those guys are like a bunch of high school girls about Tebow. (Whats Tebow doing now? Whats Tebow wearing? Isnt Tebow the coolest? Do you think Tebow likes me?)

by Pinker on Jan 22, 2012 12:03 PM EST reply actions  

Haha

I guess there is one ND fan we can all like

by cuse2012 on Jan 22, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Interesting thing to note

Notre Dame actually scored 2 of our 58 points for us. The box score list 2 points as “Team Scoring” under Syracuse.

by kd bart on Jan 22, 2012 12:30 PM EST reply actions  

Not phased by this.

1) W/O starting Center.
2) LIghts out from 3 will beat the zone. I’ll roll the dice on that evert time when the result is 20-1
3) Worst shooting game in years, w/o starting center, on road against good team, and we were still down only 2 poss with ball with a couple minutes to go.
4) Our defense is still sick nasty good.

I’ll hit the panic button if Fab is out indefinitely.

The 'Cuse is in tha house, oh my God oh my God.

by StrawHatGuy on Jan 22, 2012 1:17 PM EST reply actions  

and...

5) Excellent gameplan by Mike Brey and staff

by iamrobotic on Jan 22, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Excellent gameplan?

Their gameplan was “hoist 3s and pray they go in.” Of course, that gameplan sucks but always works against us for whatever reason.

by adselver15 on Jan 22, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't forget

bleed the shot clock on every possession. Really frustrating, unfun game to watch.

If we’re gonna lose, let’s let it be in an entertaining game where the ball is moving up and down the court. (Except that I don’t think Syracuse would lose a game like that this year.)

It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.

by Girardi Party on Jan 22, 2012 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Classic "off night" Big East road loss

Remember the ‘03 team’s brutal loss at Rutgers? Due for at least one of those a year, no matter how good you are. Different breed of loss from what might be a close loss against a good team when both teams play well. Cuse played horribly, ND played great, no Melo… perfect storm. You nailed it.

It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.

by Girardi Party on Jan 22, 2012 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

No BS here

how much impact do you think losing Mookie had? He was a real uplifting dude on the bench and whatnot from what I could see all year.

F#&% the Big East

by dacj501 on Jan 22, 2012 2:06 PM EST reply actions  

here we go

Lets roll out the Mookie “what-if” bs again…

by VerbalKint on Jan 22, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

you don't think he had any positive influence on the team?

Not saying that’s why we lost, just wondering if the team chemistry changing will have any lasting effects…

besides, I clearly said no BS in my header :)

F#&% the Big East

by dacj501 on Jan 22, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

If they can effectively deal with

An assistant of 35+ years being gone, I don’t think that Mookie leaving has effected them at all.

"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes

by FeloniousPhunk on Jan 23, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

From the 12:35 to the 5:16 mark

of the second half, Notre Dame did not score a single point for themselves. Syracuse only managed to outscored them 9-0 during that 7+ minute span. Syracuse managed only 1 for 7, a Joseph 3 pointer, shooting during that span with 4 foul shots plus two turnovers. The other 2 points were actually scored by Notre Dame. Cut the lead from 17 to 8 during that span but so much more could have and should have been done.

by kd bart on Jan 22, 2012 2:35 PM EST reply actions  

Well everyone

Even though I could not home a win from us (from one of our other homes), I just want you to know that I gave it my all. I shouted, I heckled, I pissed off ND fans behind me and in the student section. I reminded them of their terrible record and told them they were still going to the NIT. And I stayed until the clock hit zero (and then booked it in the other direction). I wish the team could have performed better, but I’m pleased with my record.

And honestly, I’m surprised (though I shouldn’t be) at all the drama in this thread. Yeah, it sucked. But people really not see this one coming? I didn’t expect us to be basically out of contention after the first 5 minutes, but I knew when I bought the ticket 10 days ago that this could be the game and when I heard that Fab was out, I figured it would be a long day.

Everyone loses a game. It doesn’t mean we are a bad team or that what we did in the first 20 games doesn’t mean anything. Everything went wrong today. Some days are just not your day and yesterday wasn’t ours. The good thing is that the team WAS fighting. And I do think Fab would have made a difference in this game. What we needed was a few momentum changing plays that stuck and a big block or dunk from Fab could have done that.

So we lost to a team with a ridiculous home court advantage, at their place, when they couldn’t miss and we couldn’t hit, when the calls went in our favor, and when our starting center was out. It happens. In some ways, I’m glad it’s over and we can get on with the basketball without having to worry about being undefeated. (Not that I didn’t enjoy being undefeated, of course.) So let’s get to work.

'Cuse 2010, Michigan 2012

by Orange22 on Jan 22, 2012 6:38 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Where was one play

Where the Orange had an ND player trapped for like 8 seconds and there was no 5 second call. I threw my hat at that one. I never do that.

"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes

by FeloniousPhunk on Jan 23, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

That definitely should have said the calls didn’t go in our favor.

'Cuse 2010, Michigan 2012

by Orange22 on Jan 23, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't say that

I mentioned in an earlier comment the flagrant they called against Cooley that was clearly incidental. The officiating was terrible all around.

"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes

by FeloniousPhunk on Jan 23, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Well

It was a good run. It was bound to happen eventually. At least it was in the middle in the conference season and not in round 2 of the NCAA. There’s a lot of talk about missing Fab, no rebounding, etc, but it really just comes down to this; ND shot 50% (50% from 3) and Syracuse shot 34% (30% from 3). There was bound to be a game like this. And, looking at the other numbers, the only thing that was really off from normal was the blocks (2). Yeah, the Orange were -13 on the boards. But they were -14 against Pitt. They were only -2 on the offensive glass. Still 9 steals. Still forced 17 TOs. Aside from the first 10 minutes or so, Syracuse didn’t play poorly. They just allowed themselves to get too far down to make it all the way back. Thankfully, they’re going to win most nights they play 30 minutes of good basketball. This just wasn’t one of them.

"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes

by FeloniousPhunk on Jan 23, 2012 10:20 AM EST reply actions  

Everyone is trying to rationalize why we loss

but it comes down to one basic fact. If you shoot like crap all night from the field, 34% for the game and 23% for the first 19 minutes, while your opponent is shooting 50%, you’re bound to lose.

by kd bart on Jan 23, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Pretty much.

"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes

by FeloniousPhunk on Jan 23, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

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