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On All This Jim Boeheim Coach Of The Year Talk

If you gave me a vote right now for college basketball coach of the year, I would not give it to Jim Boeheim.

NOW, we all know how much I adore James Arthur. And I think he's done an amazing job with this Syracuse Orange squad. With a win Saturday, the Orange would move into uncharted territory yet again this season. Already on the best start in school history, they would reach their seventh-consecutive week as the No. 1 team in the nation, something we've never done before.

And still, I don't think I would say Boeheim is Coach of the Year right now. I think he's in the top five for sure, probably top three, but I'm not ready to give it to him just yet.

Maybe it's because I'm a homer and I think this team is just that good. Sometimes I feel like no one remembers that Syracuse was a preseason top five team and picked to win the Big East.

Much like the Tim Tebow reaction, a lot of people seem to have convinced themselves that the Orange were this unheralded group of schlubs who could barely shoot a basketball in October. That was before Jim Boeheim got a hold them, wiped the crust out of their eyes, taught them some 2-3 zone and Voila! No. 1 team!

Also, I'm reminded of a couple years ago when Randy Edsall won Big East Coach of the Year for leading UConn to an 8-win season. The year prior, UConn won 8 games. Meanwhile, Doug Marrone improved Syracuse's win totals from four to eight that year. Edsall won Coach of the Year for doing the same job as the year before while Marrone led a team picked to finish 7th in the conference to their best season in almost a decade. That never sat well with me.

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It's weird to be on this side of the discussion while Gregg Doyel is on the other.

The head of the Syracuse basketball program, which has been rocked by a scandal whose severity -- and legitimacy -- we're still trying to grasp, is having the best season of any coach in college basketball.

Jason King is in awe of the job Boeheim is doing as well. Both of them mention how Syracuse has played through the Bernie Fine scandal as a major reason they think this might be Boeheim's best work yet.

Personally, I hope that's not the reason anyone votes for Boeheim. It's true that it has required a deft hand to keep the players focused on the game, however I would honestly say that they are probably giving the situation too much credit. Based on everything I've seen and heard from the players, I don't think the accusations and fallout affected them as much as some would like to think it has. Veterans like Scoop Jardine and Kris Joseph set the tone and everyone put their head down through it all. The entire team deserves credit for that, for sure.

SI's Luke Winn currently gives his Coach of the Year nod to Indiana's Tom Crean and puts Boeheim in at No. 2. I think I have to agree with that. At least until this past week when the Hoosiers dropped three in a row. Winn stays clear of the post-Bernie platitudes and sticks to recognizing what Jimmy has done on the court:

He has led a team without a true All-America candidate to a 18-0 record and No. 1 national ranking. The Orange were expected to be strong this season, but Boeheim has deftly managed the nation's deepest rotation and presided over the sophomore breakouts of Dion Waiters and Fab Melo.

At the end of the day, I hope Jim does get COY consideration. Especially if this team delivers on expectations. He's done a fantastic job as usual. But aside from the whole "go-to guy" thing and the 10-man rotation hullabaloo, remember that this is also a team that was always expected to challenge for the No. 1 spot and be a Final Four contender. Don't let anyone convince you otherwise.

I think that's the point I'm trying to make, not that Boeheim ISN'T doing a great job, but that this team is BETTER than people are giving them credit for.

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Eff that. Give this team and coach all the trophies!

A Georgetown degree is life's technical foul. - H/T HoyaSuxa
Jim Boeheim is Mick Jagger of college basketball. He gets cooler as he gets older. - Jay Wright

by theNYsportsguy on Jan 19, 2012 3:17 PM EST reply actions  

Over valuing fine

I think people are giving jb so much credit cause he is doing all this without his 30 year assistant HC. Not necessarily the investigation going on. However, we “in the know” understand that fine’s role has significantly changed the last few years and his loss hasnt really affected us

by Mike Will is DoubleDown on Jan 19, 2012 3:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

COY...but nothing to do with FIne

I would give him major consideration not because of the Bernie Fine stuff, but because of the way he is managing the amount of talent on this team. He has every talented player on that team buying into the team and playing for the team instead of for their own minutes. That is a big part of what makes this team so good, and I think that has to come from buying into the coach. From the way he put this team together, the way he dealt with Dion after last year to help get him to this year, and the way he has them all playing together with all their individual talent….that’s why he deserves COY.

by vlmiron on Jan 19, 2012 3:23 PM EST reply actions  

Waiters Ego

If you count how Boeheim managed Waiters ego during the off season that alone could make him coach of the year. But yes i agree people are trying to give him this award for reasons that dont seem reasonable given the talent level on this team.

by cuse cuse on Jan 19, 2012 3:24 PM EST reply actions  

I'm with Sean on this one.

Did anyone see Indiana coming? Of course they’ve trailed off a little bit, but they have a great schedule. I’ve had this disgusting feeling for the past few weeks that if we’re fortunate enough to take this season to the brink, we’d end up in an IU rematch against a team that matches up well versus us and has a history of beating us in the last game at the buzzer.

Then again, I’ve been clamoring for a Patriots-Giants Super Bowl as well.

Maybe I’m just rematch-centric in 2012.

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by TheRenegadePumpkin on Jan 19, 2012 3:25 PM EST reply actions  

well...

Leads all Big East coaches (past and present) in wins. (329)
Ranks sixth among active Division I coaches (min. 10 years) in winning percentage (.743)16
Currently ranks second among active coaches in career wins (846)16
In 35 seasons at Syracuse, has compiled 33 20-win seasons, good for most on the all-time list16
Became only the 14th coach ever to reach 750 wins (2007)16
Four-time Big East Coach of the Year (1984, 1991, 2000, 2010)
USA Basketball’s National Coach of the Year (2001)
Under Boeheim, the Orange have only missed the NCAA Tournament two years in a row twice
As of 2005, Boeheim is eighth in Division I NCAA tournament wins with forty-one (CBS Sportsline).
Basketball Hall of Fame (2005) as a coach 17
Joined Mike Krzyzewski and Jim Calhoun as the third active coach with 800 wins, and eighth all-time with a victory over Albany on November 9, 2009.18
Coached the Orange to a six overtime win against the UConn Huskies, 127–117, the longest game in the history of Big East Conference play.19
Named 2010 Naismith Coach of the Year (along with the same honor from the AP, Sporting News and many others) after leading Syracuse to an unexpected 30-5 record.

by SaratogaCuse on Jan 19, 2012 3:32 PM EST reply actions  

He did win COY for that season.

So it would seem the voters agreed with you.

Clear eyes, full bologna sandwiches!

by NOLACuse on Jan 19, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree on The Bernie Fine point

Yeah, Boeheim should get credit for those two weeks that were tough but after that everyone who really follows this team got over it and moved on. From what we’ve heard Bernie’s role was diminished and if anything Mike Hopkins has done a better job (at least motivating) with the big men. It’s the National media who likes to keep bringing it back up.

by Brando415 on Jan 19, 2012 3:53 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Unranked to #1 in 2002-2003

As well, but that year stands out for some other reason. On March 1st, 2003. We were with Carmello and Gerry and Hakim still 30-1 odds to win the Title game.

by imyourboogieman on Jan 19, 2012 3:54 PM EST reply actions  

It's too early

Not even halfway through conference play (which is the real “season” for most teams).

For COY especially, it only makes sense to consider the winner at the end of the season. I think the best measure of a coach is if, regardless how high or low the team started, the team improved over the course of the season and peaked at the very end.

by Orange&P on Jan 19, 2012 3:55 PM EST reply actions  

he deserves it but not for the reasons theyre are saying

Some guy from cbssports, the same guy calling for jbs head, said he deserves it because he is coaching a not so talented group making them overacchieve to a good record. For one this team was preseason ranked 4-5 while expecting waiters to be gone and melo to be a bust. so doesnt make much sense to me. Just about all the actual experts (who have played or coached the sport and actually know what theyre talking about plus katz) say SU is most talented team in nation or they pick uk 1 and su2. Even gotlieb doesnt question theyre talent level, and that was never the question with this team going in. Almost every player has extreme upside and potential. I have only been seeing this from certian cbs guys, like doyel and parrish(who doesnt think waiters will be a pro or krisjo). even big10 homer emmon brennan called su ubertalented preseason and recently called them hypertalented this weak. I dont think these cbs guys realize that just about everyone on this team but BMK would be total stars if they were on teams that focused everything to them, theseidiots just look at the stats and say theyre leading scorer avgs 13 a game they dont have good players. It drives me nuts, also when the say SU deserves the number but arnet the best team (cough parish). He also says you cant get to final 4 wo lotto picks tons of lotto picks at most posistions but look at the final fours throughout history and youll see hes full of crap, its the tourney who makes players draft picks, you can mockdraft all you want, but if a player plays decent in the tourney and has a run, that is how your raise your stock. No one and theyre mother would have been talking jeremy lamb and nba this time last year, he helps his team in the tourney now hes a top pick.

by kevin66l on Jan 19, 2012 6:00 PM EST reply actions  

Boeheim helps assemble this great talent right?

Why should he be penalized in COY consideration because he recruited a great team? He’s become Phil Jackson zen-master – placating 10 highly talented D I upper echelon hoops players (a few who have demonstrated large egos) to buy in to the team concept and sacrifice playing time and individual accolades for wins is as deserving a quality as taking an underrated (but also very talented) team into prominence…

F#&% the Big East

by dacj501 on Jan 20, 2012 4:38 AM EST reply actions  

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