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Syracuse is 319th in the country in defensive rebounding percentage.

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When JB complains about this

i kind of laugh, when analysts say this, it pisses me off, because that means they are not analyzing. When Syraucse gets flat out beat on the boards by 10 or more, that is just bad rebounding, but there have been plenty of games this year where they lose the rebounding edge by only a few, yet blow the team and not one person has explained, what should be fairly obvious, why those scenarios are happening. We are getting so many steals and turnovers, that the amount of opportunites to rebound are lessened. If we force 20 turnovers and a team is shooting 40%, that is essentially 12 lost rebounds.

So yeah we get out-rebounded, because we are kicking their ass before they even get to attempt a shot. I will take 20 turnovers versus winning the rebound battle by a few any day of the week!

by Trump4w on Jan 17, 2012 4:27 PM EST reply actions  

Did you read the article?

Because it talked about rebound percentages. As in percent of potential rebounds that the other team gets. So steals and blocks and everything don’t affect that (though the are mentioned in the article).

It also basically says we can still win despite this, and justifies how the zone opens up opportunities for offensive rebounds.

I suggest you read it.

http://cusepulp.blogspot.com/

by Lots of Pulp on Jan 17, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Except I'd argue that steals & blocks absolutely affect rebound percentages

When you commit to steal & block attempts, it leaves you out of position to get rebounds if you’re unsuccessful.

Shut up brain or I'll stab you with a Q-tip

by MrPlow99 on Jan 17, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly!

We’re still a great defense regardless of how poorly we rebound on that end of the court. The good news is that we do rebound well on the offensive end and that’s also pointed out in this article.

by JB44ever on Jan 17, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Also

A block that goes out of bounds is an OR for the opposing team. A blocked shot that goes to the other team is an OR. I say all this, but I still think we could do a better job on the defensive boards.

by Mike I. on Jan 17, 2012 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

OK... that was odd

What I MEANT to say was that our extreme shot blocking also generates offensive rebound opportunities. When we block and it goes out of bounds or the shooting team recovers, that’s an OR for them.

by Mike I. on Jan 17, 2012 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

My response

was not in regards to the article, i am talking about actual games, percentages can be deceptive for every statistical category. I am specifically talking about games where we were outrebounded by 5 or less.

Could we rebound more? yes, but the point isif we were only getting 8 turnovers a game instead of 20, we would be winning the rebound battle more often. I don’t need percentages to define what this team can’t and can do, watching the games does that for me.

Usually rebounds are used as a measure of a teams defensive abilities, and if thats all we went by we could say this is a horrible defensive team, but anyone who has watched the game knows better.

by Trump4w on Jan 17, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Trump, did you read what I wrote?

I don’t think you did. Because if you did, you would see I specifically said “they lead the country is steal percentage and are fourth in turnover percentage, meaning that they make up for all of the extra possessions they allow by taking the ball away from their opponent. They also lead the country in block percentage, swatting away an insane 22.2% of their opponent’s field goal attempts. Its stands to reason that a good percentage of those offensive rebounds they give up never make it back to the rim.”

And this: “The Orange have never been a good defensive rebounding team, however. Its a very difficult thing to do out of a zone. Since 2003 (when Kenpom started keeping stats on the subject), the Orange have had only one season where they ranked in the top half of the country in defensive rebounding. That was in 2008, when they were 122nd. They also went to the NIT that season.”

by BIAHRD on Jan 17, 2012 5:47 PM EST reply actions  

Great Article.

It makes me a bit less concerned about the defensive rebounding.

by Gregory Tuers on Jan 17, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Rebouding is definitely important

But I think the better statistic would be points allowed per possession. That accounts for everything mentioned; steals, blocks out of bounds, opponents’ dead ball turnovers and situations where, for example, Fab forces 4 consecutive misses inside before the Orange can down with a rebound.

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by FeloniousPhunk on Jan 18, 2012 10:08 AM EST reply actions  

.89 Opponent points per possession (13th in the country)

by Mike I. on Jan 18, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

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