Syracuse 71 - Pitt 63: Best. Start. Ever.
The No. 1 Syracuse Orange broke a lot of barriers Monday night in their 71-63 victory over the Big East foe Pittsburgh Panthers.
They beat Pitt for the first time since 2006 and the first time in the Dome since 2003 (which was a good year).
The 20-0 start is officially the best in school history.
The win was the 876th in Jim Boeheim's career, tying him with Kentucky legend Adolph Rupp for the fourth-most wins in Division 1 history.
This week's complaint about the Orange is that they lack a "go-to guy" who can carry them when needed. And perhaps its true that there isn't one guy you can point to and say, "that is Syracuse's one and only go-to guy."
However...
Scoop Jardine finished the night with a double-double, scoring 12 points and dishing ten assists.
Fab Melo also had a double-double, grabbing ten boards to go with ten points and six blocks.
Kris Joseph quietly scored 12 points, including an extremely-clutch three-pointer late when the Orange needed to create space.
Dion Waiters scored 16 points, went 6-of-8 from the line, and hit a ton of shots late to secure the win.
Brandon Triche scored 12 points and went 6-of-7 from the line.
Oh and C.J. Fair did this (via Cuse Country)...
Yep, Syracuse sure is lacking in go-to guys. That's a real big problem for this team.
As was expected from a Pitt game, it was ugly at times. As the Orange slowed down, whether by choice or not, their offense stalled. Anytime they were about to close the door, the Panthers used a surge of momentum and a lack of cohesion from SU to claw their way back into the game.
And then there was the rebounding issue, which once-again went heavily against the Orange (38-24). I don't know about you but I'm getting tired of seeing multiple guys in orange get beat for defensive rebounds and easy defensive grabs for the opposition.
Then again, we are 20-0. At this point, we know what we're good at and we know what we're not. So long as we can compensate for those short-comings, we'll keep coming up with wins.
Up next, the Notre Dame Fighting Irish on Saturday in South Bend. The Irish have looked surprisingly good and they'll be out in full force for the undefeated No. 1 Orange. Until then, keep on basking, Cuse fans.
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The first five mins in the dome
was crazy. Haven’t been apart of an atmosphere like that in a long time. The rest of the game was what I thought it would be vs Pitt, edge of your seat and wondering most of the game. The refs were beyond horrible, and I can’t wait to see how they’re treated in the ACC.
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by theNYsportsguy on Jan 16, 2012 10:19 PM EST reply actions
Dick Vitale just declared that Syracuse will not lose during the regular season
Which is cool … except that Dick Vitale is a moron.
Yeah
and now that’ll be circled and kept handy by every Notre Dame fan this week
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by Sean Keeley on Jan 16, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Why?
Shouldn’t 20-0 and #1 coming into your house be enough? I don’t think anybody on ND cares what Vitale has to say. At least I hope not.
~K
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best
part was Shulman pointing out Cuse still has to go to UConn and Vitale backtracking, “Oh, yeah, uh, that’ll be difficult.”
Boeheim
will never get his due as an in game coach (recruits well, blah blah), but man that play he drew up when Pitt cut it to 4 to get Joseph a wide open 3 was as well a diagrammed play I’ve seen in a long time. Then they ran it again and Scoop just threw a bad lob to Fab otherwise it would have worked twice in a row.
How about the inbounds play
where Dion fakes towards the stacked picks and just cuts unopposed to the basket? Brilliant.
Victor Cruz is the 2011 Ahmad Bradshaw. He giveth, and he taketh away. Thankfully he is giving much more now.
by bigbluethruandthru on Jan 16, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
I'm gonna say it
Were starting to look complacent. scoop looked more like the Scoop of old tonight than he has all year, and it’s been building. We were 5-18 from 3 point range, and three of those (while clutch) came in the last six minutes of the game. There’s been so much talk about “respect” that we’re starting to look like we’re losing focus.
If they come out and crush ND, then maybe they’ll prove me wrong, but they should be pissed off every game about the lack of respect they’re getting…even if it is from that douch knuckle down in whatever version of Carolina he lives in. This should have been a blowout tonight. National television, 20 win season on the line, no senior with a win against Pitt. But they played sloppy…down to Pitt’s level.
Yeah they won. And maybe I expect too much. But being number 1 means earning it every night.
’Nuff preaching. Go ’Cuse!!
"That's no moon..."
"Now you will wittness the fire-power of this fully armed and operational Death Orange..."
Kind of agree
Tough to go undefeated, that’s why it never happens. They do seem to get in the mindset that they are good for a couple 15-2 runs and that is all they need. I really think the double road games (Sat-Mon) will produce their first loss. Tough to keep winning and 3 of 4 on road, something has to give.
by orangetundra on Jan 16, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
Scoop
was awesome until about the 11 minute mark. He then made 3 shots in a row and started forcing everything. I mean the guy had 10 assists. He had a bad 3 min stretch, but he helped them get that lead. I thought Keita and Southerland let them down tonight. They HAVE to rebound when Melo is out of the game and they didn’t. Pitt had 18 offensive rebounds. If they have 10 offensive rebounds Cuse wins by 20. Keita, Southerland, and Joseph combined for 5 rebounds tonight in 55 minutes. That is atrocious.
Fran Frischilla said it best. There are 5-6 games a season where you’re going to stink, you just have to hope the other team doesn’t bring their A game that night. I didn’t think SU stunk tonight, but too many dead minutes.
Pitt games are always ugly
Dixon hadn’t beaten them for five straight years just because he always had a better team. Pitt is always rough, slows the game down, and Dixon can coach against the zone.
They beat, soundly, a program that had their number. I’ll take it.
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by Fly Rodder on Jan 16, 2012 10:42 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yeah I knew this was going to be a battle it always was and will always be
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by AdirondackOrange on Jan 16, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
Pitt games are ugly because we tend to lose
These games aren’t ugly by Pitt’s point of view. Their margin of victory in the 9 games they have beaten us in since 2003 has been nearly 10.5 points per game (10.4444444…). In our three wins, the margin is 5 points. So when we win it’s ugly, when Pitt wins it’s a blow out. Ugly is a point of view and it belongs solely to us.
"That's no moon..."
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by Benny The Red on Jan 17, 2012 8:26 AM EST up reply actions
Pitt games are ugly affairs because that's how they play the game.
Dixon has a strategy and he sticks to it. Especially against the zone. He can coach. Dominate the boards, scrap for every rebound, use all of the shot clock, and muscle the inside guys around. It’s like that for every game – even the ones that Syracuse wins. It’s also a reason why Pitt tends to get bounced early in the tournament. Not all the refs like the overly physical play. They got away with a lot tonight. Probably at least five times Fair or Melo had someone physically holding them from getting a rebound or pushing them out of the zone.
Even against Pitt’s style of play, this game was never closer than 4 points and, even then, it was ramped back to 10 in short order. Pitt played Syracuse’s game in the first 10 minutes and were getting blown out. Dixon took a time out reset his team and it was a typical Pitt/SU game from there on out.
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Zanna and Robinson pushed us around
In the end it all comes down to Rebounds. Against a team like Pitt, we need our physical forwards to be a force, rather than our finess ones. That is why Pitt has given us fits recently. K Jo is a liability more than an asset when Robinson is having his way on the boards, while KJo is either trying to run in transition or get back on defense, leaving Melo to try to rebound 2 against 1.
The only forward that reliably plays big and physical this year is Fair. Southie is starting to get there, and in a year Rak will be there, but until they can throw two forwards out there that bang like Rick Jackson did, Pitt will have an advantage against us.
I expect next year with Fair and Christmas we will wonder why Pitt was always so strong against us…
I thought Scoop was awesome tonight
His two turnovers were not very Scoopid.
But I did see complacency. You can’t give up 18 offensive rebounds. Ever. I don’t care if we are playing an NBA team. You’ve got to want the ball.
Southerland is useless shooting 3-pointers against teams that do not have 200+ RPI. Fair, Melo, and Keita need to grab the rebounds. Only Melo ever rebounds with any intensity. As a team, they have to touch two or three misses just to grab one. It will haunt us. And out halfcourt sets can be brutal.
Overall, it was still a good game against a team that has our number. What they do just works well against us. There will always be teams like that. Getting over that hurdle was huge. A lot of players made a lot of plays.
Hard to be disappointed.
Dictated, but not read.
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Scoop assist:TO was once again awesome
Is Keita’s hand/wrist whatever still hurting him? Why can’t he ever catch the ball or grab it tightly on rebounds? Does he just have bad hands?
F#&% the Big East
I think it is half bad hands, half lack of practice
Keita wasn’t able to work on his hands last year because of the injury or really any during the off-season. As a result, he’s got the hands of a freshman but the bodywork and positioning of a sophmore. His hands also weren’t great to begin with.
I don't know about "complacent"
but it does seem like the last handful of games they’ve had to suffer through some… uncharacteristically sloppy minutes. It just seems like there have been a few more arguably “dumb” plays the last few games—maybe a bad pass on a fast break, an ill-advised alley-oop in a close game, or two guys fighting for a rebound—and it’s shocking to see because this team has been SO seamless so far.
They do need to refocus, I think a longish layoff before Notre Dame could help them do that.
It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.
by Girardi Party on Jan 16, 2012 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
Meh. That's going to happen. A) It's amateur basketball B) for every five thunderous alley oops, there'll be a few stinkers
Also – at least in the last few games (other than Providence at the dome) – the ref’s have been awful calling inconsistent physical play. At Providence, at Villanova, Marquette, and particularly last night. CJ fair was punched in the face going for a loose ball, shoved down twice, Melo was tackled a few times, held a bunch of times. But then there were whistles for brushes (KJo had an and 1 where I don’t think the Pitt player even touched him) during a shot or bad charges.
Pitt plays physical, Syracuse has had a string of poorly officiated games, and they’ve been atrocious from behind the arc. It looks bad, but they’re still winning … quite comfortably.
When a few more of the threes start falling – this team is a freight train.
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I thought Scoop was awesome
Looked to pass first most of the game. Got Fab involved early and often on the offensive side. Found open teammates.
I thought it was one of his best games to be honest with you, so I completely disagree.
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by Lots of Pulp on Jan 17, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
+1
That’s the scoop we need every game. ( minus one ill advised shot, nitpicking it though since on further thought it might have been a shot clock situation)
by OrangeUglad on Jan 17, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Kansas is tearing apart their defense
With Taylor and Robinson being the main culprits.
by pegs on Jan 16, 2012 10:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I hate to nitpick
because this is already one of the four most exciting seasons that I can remember. But poor Keita has badly regressed. I love his spirit and hustle, but damn dude, you can’t let a pass go through your freaking legs when you have an uncontested dunk lined up. His rebounding is terrible, and I was yelling the same thing Bilas was saying “Stay on your f***ing feet”! I hope he can recover, because right now I kind of want him to tape his hand back up.
Victor Cruz is the 2011 Ahmad Bradshaw. He giveth, and he taketh away. Thankfully he is giving much more now.
by bigbluethruandthru on Jan 16, 2012 10:51 PM EST reply actions
Agreed
His rebounding is poor, he jumps too much, and he can’t catch the ball. His play in this game pretty much sums up
His play this season.
I was actually hoping Christmas would get some minutes – at this point, he’d probably do a better job out there.
by pegs on Jan 16, 2012 10:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not, he wasn't boxing out or crashing the boards
Robinson was eating him alive. Christmas needs to summon his inner Rick Jackson against a team like PItt.
re; Christmas
He’s got to buy-in to the team concept. Hustle and humble are not in his dictionary yet. and whats up with him not showing love to his teammates at the free thow line? just something I notice.
by OrangeUglad on Jan 17, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
He had one rebound
and if not for that he would have had a seven(!!!) trillion.
It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.
by Girardi Party on Jan 17, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Him and Melo
Bad hands. Both need to learn to catch then dunk….really hard. Watching Melo play water polo was not positive. Both guys inside really just need to catch it and use their size to slam it right down someone’s throat. I think that is the only thing missing for the inside game.
by orangetundra on Jan 16, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
The stuff and the charge were bad
But the move was fantastic. For him to make that read, fake the handoff and spin to the rim was impressive. It just didn’t work.
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by FeloniousPhunk on Jan 17, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
What stood out
Melo made some nice passes but tried to do a bit too much in the first half. They were playing well enough to overcome it and he settled down, but it is worth noting.
Scoop may have had a few overaggressive minutes in the middle of the second half but I don’t know how anyone who has watched the last 4 years of Scoop Jardine can complain about a line like 12 points, 10 assists, 2 turnovers.
Nice that Triche was knocking down free throws even coming in relatively cold at the end of the game. Only 19 minutes tonight. I guess he was just the coldest of the three guards tonight.
Is it just me or can you tell within 2 minutes whether or not Southerland is going to have a productive game? And it’s not just if he makes his first shot—is he active on defense, in position to rebound, etc…
It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.
JS
Is it just me or can you tell within 2 minutes whether or not Southerland is going to have a productive game? And it’s not just if he makes his first shot—is he active on defense, in position to rebound, etc…
It usually revolves around his first shot though, which tends to come within a few minutes of him entering the game. If he makes it, he tends to stay aggressive in all aspects of the game. If not, he’s just a warm body out there.
~K
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I think
this team is very good, but they better be careful. I see almost no way we get through the BE undefeated. We’ll slip up somewhere. That being said, we just keep finding ways to win. The blueprint is out there for beating us, too bad we’re too good for anyone to use it against us for an entire game.
Gotta work on the rebounding though. There aren’t too many games that you can be outrebounded by that many and win easily. This could have been a 20 point win if they rebound. In the Big East you need as many cruise victories as possible b/c you’re going to hit the gauntlet sooner or later. We’re almost to that point. However, almost everyone on our schedule looks beatable.
Without Gerry McNamara we wouldn't have won 10 f-- games, not 10
re; rebounds
I think our guys are trying to hard for the BLOCK and its hurting the rebounding. Head fakes are killing them.
that and ball fakes were getting Keita and Mel nearly every time down low.
They stay on their feet and those inside bounce passes aren’t quite so effective. Pass into the low post, head fake, Melo/Keita and Fair jump for the block, bounce pass to other post for the easy basket.
I’m sure they’ll get some lessons this week.
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and one of the wings is really cheating upcourt
KJ is going for steals and releasing for the break… yes dominant transition is a big part of our MoJo but we need to give Fab some help on the defensive boards. Only one rebound last night? When KJ rebounds we are more unbeatable.
That was the difference
between Craig Forth and Jeremy McNeil. One player played the zone fairly well and the other went for the shot block. Sure when it works it’s great, but it’s not always what we need.
Without Gerry McNamara we wouldn't have won 10 f-- games, not 10
by PoetryInMoten on Jan 17, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
Rutgers handles ND tonight...gotta wonder how ND will recover from back to back losses
You keep chanting one more year, I thought college was four years
by PointBlankPeriodPeriod on Jan 17, 2012 12:01 AM EST reply actions
Great point
Playing at ND has been one of the toughest games in the Big East for a few yers now. ND is not as good this year, but beating them in their house is tough… and then we travel direct to Cincy… this weekend is really our biggest challenge yet. Everyone has to pick up their games after the last few games
Rutgers is a decent team
Rutgers has a crappy record, but it is the perfect example of a young team with a good new coach. They lost early b/c they didn’t listen. Now they are buying into the system and learning that they can be a pretty good team.
Pitt's interior passing
was really good, especially in the second half, and they beat us time and again with this little double-cut move. (I’m not much of a basketball X’s and O’s guy.) It was discouraging because those little entry bounce passes are the kinds of things we have been feasting on—or just straight up preventing from even being attempted—all season. Yet Pitt went back to it again and again and only turned the ball over twice in the second half.
Anyone else notice this? Anything we could have done to mitigate this?
It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.
Pitt
You have to give Jaime Dixon some credit. The guys knows how to coach against the SU Zone and always has his kids ready to go. That being said the only way to stop those interior passes is by crunching down on the wing. The problem is that Gibbs was out there and you could tell Boeheim had drilled into the wings to not leave Gibbs no matter what.
SU will take big men trying to make those passes because more often then not they’ll be knocked away or stolen. Pitt was really crisp for a good stretch in that second half and once Melo went out, Keita kept getting fooled. Not much to do about it tonight.
Anyone notice
that our margin of victory came at the free throw line? How often can you say that about the Cuse?!? Is it me or are they much improved in that dept?
Just got back after driving 2 hours to 60 miles in freezing rain.
Sporadic game.
It was, however, vs Pitt, who could be 0-12 in BE and still play us tough.
I’ll take it.
The 'Cuse is in tha house, oh my God oh my God.
I decided to heckle my Pitt-fan uncle on facebook.
And my Syracuse-fan Grandmother joined in.
Facebook: bringing families together.
'Cuse 2010, Michigan 2012
CLEAN!
I couldn’t figure out what the heck he was saying
It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.
by Girardi Party on Jan 17, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
Man, too negative here!
I’m surprised by all the complaining after a good win. Yeah, Keita & Southerland weren’t great, but even when Pitt cut the lead to 4 in the second half, this game was never really in doubt. My only complaint is the rebounding, and the rest of their game appears to be good enough to compensate.
Complacency? I really don’t thinks so, just a little sloppiness from time to time, and it always seems (at least to me) to come at the end of a nice run and/or when Boeheim’s doing some mixing and matching.
I’ve been watching since 1980, and I gotta say, I don’t think I’ve felt this comfortable at this point in the season. Heck, this is traditionally the point where SU starts a 3 – 5 stretch.
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by Mike84 on Jan 17, 2012 7:55 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Agreed...
….The posts on last night’s game are ridiculous….
Scoop looked awesome and was one of the sole reasons that we built any lead in the first half. He may have been a little aggressive in the second half but no one complained about how aggressive he was in the first half.
No 7 footer in the nation will catch a pass thrown at his knees. Hardly Keita’s fault that he can’t catch a pass.
Southie played with a ton of hustle. His shot will come, he is still playing with confidence as evidenced by the 26 footer he took.
CJ is CJ.
I am growing tired of everyone complaining about defensive rebounding. When you don’t send your guards to crash the boards so you can have a ton of easy run outs (which we did), you’re going to give up some offensive boards. Personally. I’d rather have the easy buckets on the other end. And yes, I know, even our bigs are out of position and not blocking out, but it is more difficult in a zone to board when you can’t turn on your man and put your ass into him.
Finally, Pitt plays against our zone well. Complacency? No. How about Dixon just knows the high post and short corner are how you beat us. How can this be translated into complacency? I don’t get it. Someone splain it to me….
by ex-Townie on Jan 17, 2012 8:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+2
There are strategic sacrifices that are made in the course of a college basketball game.
Pitt will never a door mat, regardless of how few games they win. They’re well coached and they have good players. They’re missing their point guard and center. Even then, these kids, especially at this level and in this league, are damn good (hell, watch the trick shot video from Resavy – a walk on). The differences between a conference winner and a last place team aren’t that great. A player or two.
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Its not just that Dixon knows how to coach against the zone
its that he coaches a style of ball that is best against a zone. He has aggressive forwards with good hands and solid interior passing to complement guards that shoot the 3 ball.
He doesn’t have much in the way of dribble drive guys or tweeners. Its just bangers and shooters.
Shooters, rebounders, and interior passers happen to be the weak points in the zone, while we eat up guys that try to penetrate of the dribble or pass too often.
Then you're not paying attention.
The whole problem is that this team is acting like there is no room for imporvement anymore. After this game Joseph came out and said it was a “great win” and went on and on about how good the team was. Scoop does the same thing. Is this team good? Hell yes. Is there room to grow? You bet your ass.
If we are going to survive this season and end up winning a monday night game in April, then this team needs to start acting like killers, and so far, there is only one killer on this team (DW). Just because we beat an 11-7 team, and Scoop smiled at the end of the game while wearing a “we’re #1” t-shirt, doesn’t mean all is well.
I would have liked to see someone on the team come out and say something to the effect of: this was a good win for us and a great win for coach and for the school. We feel like there are some things that we could have done better (rebounding and 3 point shooting) that we’ll work on before our next game. Being #1 means you don’t get to relax. We’ll enjoy this win tonight, but tomorrow it’s back to work.
But all I hear about is how great these guys think they are. If they go undefeated, and win the national championship, then they can talk all they want. But until then, there is always more work to do.
"That's no moon..."
"Now you will wittness the fire-power of this fully armed and operational Death Orange..."
by Benny The Red on Jan 17, 2012 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
Ask and ye shall receive.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7469382&categoryid=2378529
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are you magic?
"That's no moon..."
"Now you will wittness the fire-power of this fully armed and operational Death Orange..."
by Benny The Red on Jan 17, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
I think your reading/watching too much media. When your #1, obviously people are going to talk to you and about you more. I don’t think any player on Cuse thinks there’s no room for improvement. They’re 20-0, Joseph and Scoop just beat Pittsburgh for the 1st time in the regular season, and your whining because you don’t think they’re focused enough on the national championship? I was impressed how they were able to maintain a 6-9 point lead even with relatively cold shooting. They seem to be taking it game by game, maybe you should too.
by S2 on Jan 17, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
game by game
By that rationale they looked bad last night against a inferior foe. A week ago they didn’t look great against marquette.
Look, I fully understand that this has been a special season, so far. Having gone been going to SU basketball games since the Dome opened, I am aware of the signifigance of this 20-0 start.
But, Scoop and Kris have been part of a great team before (remember the 09 squad) and this was a team that got ahead of itself and then fell apart (due to injury…I know).
Does this team have a lot of weapons. Sure it does. If we weren’t uncharacteristicly hot from the free-throw line last night, our cold shooting would have caused a very different outcome.
Am I whining because I want the coach and the players to keep things in perspective and act like they’ve been here before (i.e. ranked #1 and beaten inferior foes), I guess, if that’s what you want to call it.
I want this team to be great, and they have all of the parts to be EXTRAODRINARY. But l don’t want their opinions of themselve to get in the way of their playing, and to me, having WATCHED the last few game AND read the box scores, they look to me like they are expecting wins, and not working for them as hard as they were three weeks ago.
"That's no moon..."
"Now you will wittness the fire-power of this fully armed and operational Death Orange..."
by Benny The Red on Jan 17, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
Umm, since when is a win against Pitt not great?
We haven’t beaten them in six years! They play us exactly right. Rebounding wasn’t great, but it wasn’t complacency as much as over-enthusiasm for blocks. Which, I’m not convinced is a bad thing. Yeah Melo et al bought too many head fakes, but Pitt missed a million changes down low and you can’t tell me Fab’s ability to swat those away didn’t play a part in that. Scoop looked great. He always, always has one or two crappy plays, so you can’t really say those need to stop. 10 assists, 2 turnovers. How can you possibly not like that? Oh and his answer to Bilas when asked about what an be improved? “Everything.”
Clear eyes, full bologna sandwiches!
Hey, if you're content with how everything worked out last night, then great
I’m fully aware that in the BE, a win is a win is a win. If all we want is a “W” then, by all accounts, last night’s game was a success.
"That's no moon..."
"Now you will wittness the fire-power of this fully armed and operational Death Orange..."
by Benny The Red on Jan 17, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
how about...
we say last nights win was very good in that it knocked a few monkeys off the back but there is always room for improvement and stay hungry…
by OrangeUglad on Jan 17, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
"That's no moon..."
"Now you will wittness the fire-power of this fully armed and operational Death Orange..."
by Benny The Red on Jan 17, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
HUMBLE and hungry
http://cusepulp.blogspot.com/
As far as the context of last night is concerned, yes I am content with last night's win.
I don’t look at Pitt games like I look at Providence or Seton Hall or Marquette or UMass or Colgate or Duke. Pitt games are always their own, unique animal. They always have been ever since Dixon has been there.
Moving forward, I’ll evaluate games differently because they won’t be against Pitt.
Clear eyes, full bologna sandwiches!
One rebound by our All Big East 6'7" SF?
Out rebounded by a small and inexperienced Pitt team…. no excuses. We dont win too many games in April getting out rebounded, jacking 3s, and not running the offense. The saving grace here is our uncharacteristic low turnover rate and above average foul shooting…. which can fly away in the wind on any given night.
Didn't Glaude post the scare in the preview?
Coming in, Pitt was the best Offensive rebounding team in the nation. They might not be a good team, but they do that well. Their offensive rebounding percentage on the year is 45.6%. Last night it was 48.7%. They took 1.3 more offensive rebounds than their season average would indicate… as is appropriate against the 334th best Defensive Rebounding team in the country (yeah, it went down after last night).
But you know what? Semi-stat of the night which I just barely caught on the way out of the Dome… Pitt only had three more second chance points than us. A lot of their ORs yielded nothing. Most of ours yielded something.
The FT % is here to stay - and could even get better
They’ve been solid. Every game.
The guys that have the most FT attempts? Also lead the team in FT%.
The 4th player in FTAs is inexplicably missing a lot of them this season. Scoop isn’t a 54% free throw shooter. He’ll get on a hot streak.
As for jacking up threes?
3PT% (#Attempted) last three games:
30%(20) 25%(20) 27.8%(18)
3PT% (#Attempted) previous four games:
15.4% (12) 25%(12) 58% (17) 40% (20)
Rebounds aren’t a focus of the zone defense. They just aren’t. Sure they can do better, but they’ll never be as ferocious attacking the boards as, say Pitt, is.
I've been involved in a number of cults, both as a leader and a follower. You have more fun as a follower. But you make more money as a leader.
Missing the point
We are now looking to improve so we can beat KY, OHst, UNC, KS, Baylor. We need to improve. The easiest place to improve is our weakness’. Rebound more & better. Work the offense; more assists by Dion. If he remembers that he’s a potent weapon when he doesn’t score then he’s dynomite. And back to the complacency issue. Coach has been experimenting with lineups and getting guys comfortable with each other. I think he’s gonna start using the minutes as carrot & stick. I was embarrassed last nite for Baylor… they jogged up and down the court on occasion; and did not play to their strengths.. wrong guys taking wrong shots. They got outrebounded and outhustled. I’m thinking this Orange TEAM is way better than that. We can be special this year. H & H
After sleeping on this game
I think I agree with you. Pitt always plays us well and has more talent than its record indicates. Syracuse, as has happened a few times this year (but not many), did NOT play its best game but still managed to come away with a victory that maybe wasn’t easy but was certainly under control for all but a few short spurts. Scoop played great, Dion was Dion, and they made big shots in the second half, which honestly speaks a lot to this team’s character since that isn’t something they’ve had to do a lot this year (due to a lack of close games).
It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.
by Girardi Party on Jan 17, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
ok. i like this perspective.
"That's no moon..."
"Now you will wittness the fire-power of this fully armed and operational Death Orange..."
Dear lord people.
We beat Pittsburgh. I don’t care if Pitt were 0-19, beating them means something. They are a team that knows precisely how to beat the zone, are quite good at the one thing we are not (rebounding) and know how to foul every play without getting whistled (during BE play anyway). Beating them to tie Rupp and get the best start in school history? I’ll take it. I don’t look at Pitt games like any other game because Pitt just has our number and knows how to get away with ugly play during the BE season. This was a monkey-off-the-back kind of win and I’ll look to ND to see just how real some of our perceived problems are.
And I don’t understand the complacency complaint. I don’t see complacency at all. If anything I see the opposite as a problem: over-enthusiasm. I see players that believe they can steal every pass or block every shot. This could prove detrimental down the line, but for the time being I’m willing to chalk it up to the specific pressure this particular game brought with it.
Clear eyes, full bologna sandwiches!
Good win last night
Tough win against a tough opponent. Exorcised some demons about not being able to beat Pitt, which will hopefully carry over to the Louisville game.
This team proved they can beat any type of team now. You can tell they believe, and that’s huge for a college team.
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Im hoping we can slog through the two ND and Cincy games
AND WVU and St. Johns at home and the Garden.
The hard part of the BE schedule this year is all loaded in February. Lville twice, UConn twice, and Gtown. Those are 5 games that could yield some losses and probably will.
I hope we can slog through the next 4 games with some W’s (back to back road games are hella tough in the BE)
These games will be more of a true road test than what we have gotten up to this point even. I think they are going to play us harder than Prov/Depaul/Nova did, so this will be a real test of this teams already impressive mettle.
For sure
ND & Cincinnati definitely a winnable road trip, and they should be able to handle UWV and St John’s. I’ll be happy to go 3 – 2 againt UConn/Louisville/Georgetown.
I do like the way the difficulty ramps up as the season goes along. It allows the team to work out the kinks early, during the easier part, and them get prepped for the tourney by increasingly hard competition.
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AND WVU and St. Johns at home and the Garden.
So, you mean, at home and at home?
(For the record, I don’t even get mad when talking heads try to say the Garden is a home game – it should be a point of pride.)
It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.
by Girardi Party on Jan 17, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Just had this conversation last night about having ONE go-to guy.
Why in the hydrofracking motherloving spatula would you want to just have ONE go-to guy? What if he is hurt? What if he fouls out?
See: Ohio State. You lose the game.
One big stick is weaker than 10 small sticks bound together.
Born in '87, Orange fan since '86
I guess I made a twitter, follow @StealthTurkey
by StealthTurkey on Jan 17, 2012 12:01 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Did anyone else notice that at half time....
….just after they ran a play for Dion who scored, the first thing out of Hubert Davis’s mouth was “the one problem is that they don’t have a go to guy. A guy who can get one bucket when you need one”….
What the heck did you just see to end the half, numbnuts?
The SU full court press
…has been impressive this year, especially the last few games. We force turnovers and generally make the other team uncomfortable, resulting in some additional points for us.
It’s good to know we have the press as a weapon when we need it to push a team back when they’ve gotten too close or when we need to break out of a scoring drought.
Congrats to SU for starting 20-0.
'91 SU alumnus
by AlbanyHDTV on Jan 17, 2012 12:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Actually
I can’t think of one time Pitt got a layup off the press. I clearly remeber at least 2 steals, Pitt throwing a pass out of bounds and the one guy travelling. Syracuse may not have gotten a TO every time, but not giving up layups is a victory for a press.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Jan 17, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Full court press
always works fairly well with Boeheim. You can tell he practices it a fair amount b/c it seems like it works as a game-changer. The only time Boeheim breaks it out is when we’re losing and need to get back into a game quickly.
Without Gerry McNamara we wouldn't have won 10 f-- games, not 10
by PoetryInMoten on Jan 17, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
They haven't done it in years
but I’ve been banging the drum for a while now: The press was a HUGE difference-maker in 2003. They were down in the second half in so many games that year and pressed their way back into games.
Although Keita has been slumping I like him anchoring the press MUCH better than Melo; Melo looks better in it now than he did at the start of the year but still looks lost sometimes.
It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.
by Girardi Party on Jan 18, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions

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