#AddHimToTheList
by crouton on Jan 12, 2012 5:20 PM EST
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Mike DeCourcy gives out his midseason awards
Let's recap here:
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Jim Boeheim is not listed as a candidate for coach of the year
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Fab Melo doesn't appear on his list for most improved players
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Syracuse is the toughest team to judge because we only play at home or on the road against "bottom tier" opponents.
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Dion Waiters isn't in his top 5 for best sixth man??????
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Most fun team to watch? Clearly Murray St. is much more fun than SU.
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Along those lines
Seth Davis’ midseason thing mentions us once… the Bernie Fine story. Not that Seth wasn’t already on the list.
probably should
read the entire article.
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There’s little doubt the Orange are an elite team. They’ve dominated too many good teams (Seton Hall, NC State) and won too many overall (17-0) to not be considered a challenger for the title. However, they did not play an overabundance of great teams in non-league play and the Big East schedule began with SU either playing at home against solid opponents or going on the road to face the bottom tier. What will Syracuse look like when it’s seriously under pressure. "
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Understand this: If you’re coming off the bench and playing more minutes than some starters, you’re not a sixth man. So that leaves out Syracuse’s Dion Waiters and Baylor’s Pierre Jackson. "
Man, what a hater. Ugh. What about what he said is false? Anything? Cuse hasn’t played any top tier squads (unless we’re counting bottom of the top 25 Florida and Marquette which is a product of A )the Big East being down and B) the schedule being backloaded. This is getting so old here. Can’t we just enjoy how good this team is? This is why a lot of media types hate the Cuse. Because the fans are so damn sensitive.
Krackatoan
#ADDHIMTOTHELIST
(just kidding)
Born in '87, Orange fan since '86
I guess I made a twitter, follow @StealthTurkey
by StealthTurkey on Jan 12, 2012 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Who said I'm not enjoying this team?
I watch nearly every game and read practically every article that’s posted about Syracuse. I’d hardly consider myself sensitive. I was just defending Gottlieb in a earlier post. Just seems odd to me that we’re left off of every single list he has. And if you’re going to say Syracuse hasn’t played anyone than I can argue that pretty much nobody has. How many other teams have 2 wins over top 25 schools?
I like talking SU basketball and debating about it. There are dozens of articles praising SU and our depth this year, but there really isn’t much discussion I can add to that. You don’t find it the least bit interesting that Syracuse is absent from all his awards?
Not really
On none of those lists do I think he blatantly left a Syracuse person off of it. Cuse started in the top 5 so leaving Boeheim off for 5 coaches that have surprised everyone is ok with me. He had a qualifier for why Waiters was left off. On the 5 most exciting teams that’s an opinion. I happen to find all 5 of those teams more exciting than SU cause the Cuse is blowing people out.
You could argue about Fab, but I don’t think it’s some huge knock.
As for how many other teams have wins over top 25 schools 8 of them and Syracuse do. It’s not like it’s only two teams.
Duke
Kentucky
Baylor
Indiana
Michigan St.
Ohio St.
Kansas
Georgetown
Check every 6th man of the year for the past few years in the NBA
Usually they get starters’ minutes
Jason Terry, Lamar Odom, Manu Ginobli.
In 2010 it was Kris and Scoop getting starters’ minutes and getting 6th man honors. That doesn’t disqualify you from the award. In fact, it’s pretty much a prerequisite.
http://cusepulp.blogspot.com/
by Lots of Pulp on Jan 12, 2012 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
yea I don't understand this at all.
If they come off the bench, they can be considered a 6th man. That’s what the whole fucking thing is. They don’t start, but they are just so good that they could probably start anywhere else. They just come off the bench to provide a spark and different tempo.
http://cusepulp.blogspot.com/
The thing I hate is
the knock on the early conference schedule. It’s true: we played something of a middling non-con schedule (though it’s not like we could possibly know how good Stanford and VPI were going to be in 2012 when we signed up for this tournament years ago).
But why is Syracuse getting killed for its early conference schedule? (Seth Davis, DeCourcy maybe not killing us but certainly making note, Gottlieb.) Syracuse didn’t make this schedule. At all. It’s not our fault that the Big East (probably intentionally) backloaded our schedule so that there would be lots of national-TV-friendly games in February, when the nation’s collective focus turns away from the NFL and toward NCAA hoops.
If the season ended RIGHT NOW, we’d have far from the most impressive résumé… but our SOS is in the top 10, so it’s going to even out.
It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.
by Girardi Party on Jan 12, 2012 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
He was just on the brent axe show yesterday giving them a bunch of love, wouldnt call him a cuse hater
You keep chanting one more year, I thought college was four years
by PointBlankPeriodPeriod on Jan 12, 2012 5:46 PM EST reply actions
DeCourcy's Not a Hater
Actually he seems to be a pretty good guy… Ive had several email exchanges with him over the last several years and 1) its amazing that he responds to emails; and 2) he’s been forthcoming as to his reasoning and rationale for positions he takes… and as he will be the first to point out to any Orange diehard… he was on the Carmelo Anthony bandwagon really early and led the charge for the inclusion of a frosh on the 1st Team All America team in 2003
I don't have a problem with Boeheim not being a CoY finalist
because we were the preseason #3 team in the country. We were basically SUPPOSED to be this good—OK, maybe not quite THIS good, but still really good. This is basically Syracuse/Boeheim doing what they’re supposed to do.
In 2010, Boeheim was a no brainer: team with less talent than the juggernauts comes out of nowhere and rises all the way to #1 in the country by playing exceptionally smart basketball and making excellent use of its talent.
This year – meh, give it to someone who’s overachieved.
It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.
Well said.
Only reason I could see giving it to Boeheim is IF they went undefeated, that’s the only way I see this team/coach overachieving.
A Georgetown degree is life's technical foul. - H/T HoyaSuxa
Jim Boeheim is Mick Jagger of college basketball. He gets cooler as he gets older. - Jay Wright
by theNYsportsguy on Jan 12, 2012 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely right
That would be worth awarding it to him.
It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.
by Girardi Party on Jan 12, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
Ditto
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Jan 13, 2012 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
Syracuse was preseason #5
And projected to finish behind UConn in the conference. They’ve gone from a team that was projected to be about even with Louisville and UConn to being the near unanimous #1 team in the nation. I think that at the midseason point you have to include him in the discussion.
Also, don't forget the Fine drama early in the season
Remember when people were worried that it would be a distraction for the team? Boeheim has done a phenominal job this season keeping this team focused and firing on all cylinders. Also, what’s the biggest reason SU has been so good htis year? I’d say it’s been the improvement of Waiters and Melo. If those guys aren’t playing at such a high level, we’re probably around 15th in the nation. Think of where those guys were last year not only in terms of basketball ability, but attitude. Look at the changes they’ve made since being in the program for a year – it’s night and day. I’d say Boeheim deserves some credit there as well.
Undefeated season, 5 straight weeks at #1, the Fine accusations, and improved play of the Sophmores. I don’t know how you don’t include him in a top 5 right now.
Who is responsible for the SU bulletin board
There are just too many articles that can keep this team motivated.
I hope they're not reading any of this
Because if they keep winning, eventually, there won’t be much to criticize. Then where do you get that fire from if that was your main fuel?
Block it all out. Good. Bad. Neutral. Just play.
http://cusepulp.blogspot.com/
by Lots of Pulp on Jan 13, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Most articles written are really positive at this point
It’s just a few that criticize Syracuse. As long as we’re in the spotlight, people will continue to write about how the team is overrated, or why Kentucky is better, or why they won’t win the National Championship, etc… it gets readers. Granted, for every bad article there’s probably another 5 praising them.
There should be plenty of bulliten board material for them throughout the year and I absolutely trust that Boeheim will keep them grounded. He’s always the biggest critic of the team and will make sure they don’t let any of this go to their head. I know they haven’t played world beaters since becomming #1, but I still think it’s incredibly impressive that they’ve held the ranking for 5 straight weeks now. That’s really rare nowadays. Every single game we play is the other team’s Superbowl (for lack of a better term). They all want to knock us off and get that signature win. What’s the closest game we’ve even had since becomming #1? Marquette? A game in which we led the entire way? Keep in mind that Boeheim also kept the team focused throughout the Bernie Fine drama as well. I wouldn’t worry too much about them losing that chip on their shoulder. In Boeheim, I trust :)
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