Let's All Make A Syracuse T-Shirt List
by Sean Keeley on Jan 12, 2012 12:08 PM EST
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The only bad thing about Syracuse Orange basketball victories is that you have to wake up the next morning and listen to people who probably didn't watch the game give back-handed compliments or outright complaints about the team.
And because the Big East is "down," those complaints will only continue as long as the Orange keep winning (God forbid they lose...we'll be "exposed as frauds" I'm sure).
I spent the morning having a hissy fit on Twitter over Mike DeCourcy's midseason award list (no Fab on Most Improved Player, no Dion in Surprise Player and SU named "toughest team to judge"). And that's before I saw Gottlieb's comments.
I was ready to pop so I took a walk with the dog. And by the time I got back, the experience of walking in the chilly Seattle morning and scooping some quality poop gave me a little perspective.
"Nobody knows nothing." And that includes college basketball's self-described experts. It includes me, too.
Especially when it's so obvious that they don't watch the games. They just look at stats and check the schedule and dip into their subconscious where Syracuse wasn't a preseason favorite and doesn't tell the right story and regurgitate the same generic blather.
Plus, they've got radio shows to promote, you know? It's why Doug Gottlieb woke up this morning and decided it's "hard" to rank SU No. 1 and is thinking about bumping Baylor past them. Gottlieb knows what he's doing. He knows we'll hate him and we'll get angry and we'll call his radio show. Try not to.
And that's why I want to start a t-shirt list. It's a list of folks who seem adamant of proving to anyone within earshot that Syracuse isn't worthy of the top ranking, your time or a chance at winning the National Title. So that when we do win the title, we'll pool our resources and each of them a championship shirt that they can wear proudly.
And when we identify someone who deserves a t-shirt, we can tweet #AddHimToTheList.
And at the end of the day, it could all be worse. We could be Pitt. Or Louisville. Or a 13-5 Syracuse team that no one cares about. But if everyone is going to care so much about what a horrible, undefeated, No. 1 team we are, we might as well get them something nice for it.
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Who goes first on the shirt, Ron Morris or Doug Gottlieb? Frankly minus Axe’s excepts on his show yesterday, I have ignored all of Gottlieb’s rants and block out all of their analysts except Bilas on Twitter anyway. As you said, they just want attention and I refuse to give blowhards like this an ounce of breath (other than this rant of course) any further. I actually no longer watch ESPN except for SU games because I was tired of too many people making attention whorish statements for attention and their network is full of them. With that said, there are some great people like Anish that I miss not seeing but I just can’t handle the BS any further.
"I'm in a Syracuse State Of Mind"
http://www.syracusestateofmind.wordpress.com/
Gotta be Morris right?
I mean I think Gottliebs argument is garbage but at least his opinion is based on games played and their outcomes. Morris continues to completely defy logic with his “the games don’t matter it only matters who I believe to be the better team.” In Morris’ world we would not need a national championship or even a season at all. You just look at who you think is best in November and crown them champs.
by westcoastorange on Jan 12, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
No, it's Dougie
There’s a LONG history between him and the fans and him with Lord Boehiem.
Go Orange(men)!
ESPN was actually giving us some praise last night
One guy (don’t know his name) was making the argument that we could run the table. So it’s not all bad, though I rarely watch ESPN because I hate the NBA and that’s pretty much all they talk about. That and Tebow
"We don't lose hat and t-shirt games" - Tedy Bruschi
You know what?
I hope that the coaches print and laminate every one of these backhanded compliments and half-endorsements. Hang them in the Melo Center, super glue them to the lockers, and drop one on every seat on the bench. I love the fact that this team, despite being #1 in the nation, plays with a perpetual chip on their shoulders. The minute we lose that, we become mortal. Hold it close and we’ll do great things.
Would it be easier if EVERYONE just started on the list?
Except for Bilas of course, and then we can say take him off the list? haha there are just so many of them!!!
Born in '87, Orange fan since '86
I guess I made a twitter, follow @StealthTurkey
That might be fun
Once people finally accept that we’re not as horrible as they want us to be, they come off the list. Except Ron Morris – he’s never coming off the list.
Fly, Eagles, fly...down, down the field!
Agree.
We could call it the Ron Morris list LOL
Born in '87, Orange fan since '86
I guess I made a twitter, follow @StealthTurkey
by StealthTurkey on Jan 12, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Bilas, Raftery, Shulman, even Dicky V and Dickey Simpkins
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Jan 12, 2012 12:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It could say "No X-Cuses for Ignornace"
And I say alphabetical is the way to list.
Also, I don’t tweet. So, in no particular order, O’neil, Gottlieb, Rob Morris, Dickie V (just for bing Dickie V)….etc…
"That's no moon..."
"Now you will wittness the fire-power of this fully armed and operational Death Orange..."
by Benny The Red on Jan 12, 2012 12:21 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
ahem...Ignornace...
sorry. made me look ignorant.
"That's no moon..."
"Now you will wittness the fire-power of this fully armed and operational Death Orange..."
by Benny The Red on Jan 12, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Yeh....
still wrong hahaha
Born in '87, Orange fan since '86
I guess I made a twitter, follow @StealthTurkey
by StealthTurkey on Jan 12, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Dammit.
Yeah. Well there you go. Been that kind of morning.
"That's no moon..."
"Now you will wittness the fire-power of this fully armed and operational Death Orange..."
by Benny The Red on Jan 12, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
I hear ya. Haven't had coffee myself today
Born in '87, Orange fan since '86
I guess I made a twitter, follow @StealthTurkey
by StealthTurkey on Jan 12, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
O'Neil should actually be off the list
https://twitter.com/#!/dgoneil1/status/157268251406110721
I think she catches undue flack.
I actually really respect Gottlieb's opinion
He watches a lot of games and has good insight. He didn’t say he was ranking Baylor #1, simply stating that you can make an argument for them. He’s right. They have some quality wins thus far in the season and they’re also undefeated. He isn’t a Syracuse hater. He just isn’t afraid to speak his mind and throw some controversial opinions out there. Even so, why is it so wrong to think SU might not be the best team? If he thinks we’re the 2nd best team in the nation, how does that mean he hates Syracuse? I think people pile on him way too hard ever since our bubble year (2005?). And you know what? HE WAS RIGHT. We didn’t deserve to be in the tournament and couldn’t even prove him wrong by winning the NIT.
As for Morris? Fuck that guy.
I don't like him
Because for years he’s been bitching about SU and JB. He talks about himself as a basketball expert and has pretty much zero class. I used to catch his raidio show on my drive home and it was infuriating. He like Chris Collinsworth, all he’s got is negative shit to say.
"That's no moon..."
"Now you will wittness the fire-power of this fully armed and operational Death Orange..."
by Benny The Red on Jan 12, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
That's fine if you don't like him
But I don’t think you can deny that he’s very knowledged in college basketball. He’s never really been a big SU supporter, but I don’t think it’s fair to call him a hater.
The difference between an expert and what Gottleib is...
That is takes no skill whatsoever to say that something is bad. I consider myself pretty smart on lacrosse. i can tell you why a play worked, why it didn’t, and how you could make it work next time. If all you can say is that someone sucks and then just vomit negative crap, then it tells me that you really aren’t an expert. Having an opinion doesn’t make you an expert.
"That's no moon..."
"Now you will wittness the fire-power of this fully armed and operational Death Orange..."
by Benny The Red on Jan 12, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He constantly states why
Everytime I listen to him on ESPN or on his podcast, he defends his positions. I get that he generally focuses on the negative, but it’s really unfair to not consider him an expert.
I like Gottleib
One ofthe few SU fans that can say that I guess. He knows his stuff, gives credit where credit is due and isn’t afraid to go against the grain. I don’t care that he speaks out against SU at times, as he’s right about some of what he said back in the bubble days. I’d rather listen to him than most other analysts. Plus, him and JB have a solid relationship, right?
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Jan 12, 2012 1:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I Also Like Gottleib
He knows what he is talking about and, unlike most analysts, is willing to go against the grain of popular perception/narratives.
He is, however, not a good traveler. I was behind him in line at the airport and saw several poor decisions by him (had to chug a bottle of juice at security, tried to fly with an expired driver’s license as ID, etc.).
Oh this is pricless
Dougie’s latest tweet: “some,NOT ALL are vile,completely disgusting,go to an SU game at the garden—very angry fan base—worse at DOME,Booze at both places”
Funny he wouldnt respond to my question about how he was booted from ND for stealing his roommates credit cards and running up fraudulent charges.
that is just one guy's opinion.
Do you have any source materials on this?
"That's no moon..."
"Now you will wittness the fire-power of this fully armed and operational Death Orange..."
by Benny The Red on Jan 12, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
I love how he blames it on the booze
They sell booze all over the place yet somehow its just drunk Cuse fans being belligerent? How about Maryland where they dont sell so people just get out of control drunk before they go and are 10x more obnoxious
attacking fan bases
is about as juvenile as it gets, especially coming from a professional commentator. It lacks empirical evidence and is just link bait.
Thank god he's not an SU hater!
Imagine what he’d say about us if he were!
'Cuse 2010, Michigan 2012
by Orange22 on Jan 12, 2012 1:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
forget the t-shirts
just send them some of Billy’s dog poop and a signed copy of “How to Grow an Orange”
Oh, look at me! I'm making people happy. I'm the magical man from. Happyland in a gumdrop house on Lollipop Laaane! Oh, by the way, I was being sarcastic.
Depending on the consistency
it makes a great bookmark
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Also, Gottlieb has us ranked #1 in his power rankings today
You want someone to hate? Jason McCallum has us 3rd. http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/powerrankings/_/show/middle
#AddHimToTheList
Just like Crazy Otto...
by OD31521 on Jan 12, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
woof
That is indefensible at this point. a month ago, ok. now, no.
It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.
by Girardi Party on Jan 12, 2012 4:44 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Wins > talking heads
by Erie Blvd of Dreams on Jan 12, 2012 1:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Thing I don't like about Dougie
He is negative in general. Watch as they get closer to selection Sunday. They will be like, what do you think about this team. His response 8 of 10 times relies heavily on the negatives of the team and why they shouldn’t be allowed in a conference much less NCAA tourney. Aside from Duke, Kentucky, N. Carolina and Oklahoma St, he thinks all schools are generally trash. SU fans think it is just them, but it is not. He pretty much hates everyone and would have a 4 team tourney every year as long as OK St is one of the teams.
His points on RPI and SOS are funny. Every commentator relies on those 2 things when it supports their argument but dismiss them when it contradicts. SU has #1 RPI and SOS but it is not important today. Come a month from now when they need to boost another team, they will always use RPI if it supports them.
You can be knowledgeable and not be a dick
Case in point: Jay Bilas. He has forgotten more about basketball than Gottlieb will know. But, he is not condescending or arrogant, and Doug is. Plus, ever since Boeheim called him out for not being able to hack it at ND, he has had a somewhat obvious bias against Syracuse. I personally can’t stand him, although I do admit I am biased.
The thing that pains me is the knock on our schedule. Is it our fault that Standord, Villanova, Marquette, VT, and some of these other schools are buttcheeks this year? We scheduled them before they went downhill. We just caught an unlucky break in their suckiness.
by MrSmithatHam on Jan 12, 2012 1:34 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Not too worried
about that, since this year we actually won all those games. It’s not like 5 years ago when we lost to teams that ended up tanking horribly.
Without Gerry McNamara we wouldn't have won 10 f-- games, not 10
by PoetryInMoten on Jan 12, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Off topic
I was ready to pop so I took a walk with the dog. And by the time I got back, the experience of walking in the chilly Seattle morning and scooping some quality poop gave me a little perspective.
But when I first read this I thought “pop” was “poop” and my dyslexia was reaffirmed when when you said you scooped poop. What and odd image that was. Yes, I fumble words reading out loud, but every once in a while it makes life so much more interesting.
May Doug Marrone bless you and keep you.
Scooping some poop
is that what we’re calling the Jade Scorpion these days?
Without Gerry McNamara we wouldn't have won 10 f-- games, not 10
That win over Paul Quinn
is what puts Baylor over the top.
I'm sure the football fans
at Doug’s Alma Mater, Oklahoma St, have taken the BCS Football rankings with utmost civility. I’m sure none of the Cowboy fans displayed boorish behavior toward those in charge of the BCS and/or the SEC.
by kd bart on Jan 12, 2012 2:01 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
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