Syracuse 33 - Toledo 30 (OT): Call Them What You Want, Just Don't Call Them Boring
by Sean Keeley on Sep 24, 2011 6:51 PM EDT
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PrintI can imagine you might have some items of note stuck in your craw after the Syracuse Orange defeated the Toledo Rockets 33-30 in overtime. I can imagine that you might have an entire wheelbarrow full of them.
Before you unload them, four games into the season I think it's only fair to lay some cards on the table.
By this point, we know who this Syracuse team is. They're better as an offensive unit. They're not as good as a defensive unit. They still lack "big-playability" but they seem to know how to take a momentum swing and run with it.
They're the kind of team that's going to struggle against Wake Forest, Rhode Island and Toledo. They're also the kind of team that is going to defeat Wake Forest, Rhode Island and Toledo.
They're not going to be able to compete with teams like USC. They are going to be able to compete with a lot of the teams left on their schedule.
They will not win all of those games. They will win some of them.
They are halfway to a bowl game.
They are 3-1 at the end of September, which if I remember correctly, was our expectation heading into the season.
Syracuse was 3-1 last year with wins over two FCS teams and a terrible MAC team. Syracuse is 3-1 this year with wins over a BCS conference team, a FCS team and a very good MAC team.
They are not "there." They are where they are.
It wasn't always fun but the Toledo game was always interesting. Down early in a 10-0 hole. Macky MacPherson snapping to the ghost of Don McPherson. Ryan Nassib getting PIIIIIISED. Eric Page catching 497 passes for 8,628 yards (approx). Van Chew's perfect spiral. Das Boot putting the fear of God into us with every kick. I-don't-remember-how-many lead changes. Nick Provo looking a lot like John Mackey. Antwon Bailey busting loose. Prince-Tyson Gulley getting you excited about the future. Marquis Spruill straight-up murdering people. Alec Lemon whipping his head back-and-forth after the touchdown catch. Phil Thomas' 4th-down stick. Toledo not quitting. Syracuse not quitting. Overtime. Kevyn Scott's sweet redemption on behalf of the secondary. God damn victory.
It was not pretty to say the least and there are areas of concern so great that I'm not sure they'll be getting much better this season. That said, a win is a win is a win (go ask Louisville, Pitt, Rutgers and so many other teams about that).
There are eight games left on the schedule. Go look at it. Before you tell me you think this team is going to struggle to win three more games this season...have a peek. How many teams do you see that Syracuse can't hang with? Maybe West Virginia? Cincy if their offense is clicking? Other than that, does anyone strike the fear of God into you? And I'm not saying Syracuse is a shoo-in to win those games. I'm just saying for all their faults, the Orange aren't that much worse than most other teams in the Big East (and Tulane, who just lost to Duke).
The final word goes to Mike Vanlieshout, who tweeted me the following after the game:
Sorry, Just for Men Gel, but if you want that perfect blend of gray, just become a
#Cuse fan.
We're going to earn that Belk Bowl bid, you guys.
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Defense was banged up...
…and the bottom line is that it’s a win, and a good win, and hell yeah to 3-1 heading into the Rutgers game.
By the way…Nassib keeps getting better. Kid is the real deal.
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
by kotite4ever on Sep 24, 2011 6:57 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
"By the way…Nassib keeps getting better. Kid is the real deal."
I’m rec’ing this based upon this comment alone. Well said.
I know the outcome of the play was horrible, but I was glad to see him jacked up about the blown snap by Macky. There’s a time to be cool-headed and say “we’ll get em next time” and there’s a time to say “What the F*ck was that man?!?!” and let the emotions rip. That was it.
NFGR
by bloodyyank44 on Sep 24, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
And appropriately
Nassib took 100% responsibility for the blown snap in the post-game presser.
by ForthCountry on Sep 24, 2011 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I love that
a QB should let his guy know during the game when he done fucked up, and he absolutely shoud take the public blame. That’s what a team leader does.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 24, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Totally agree
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by kotite4ever on Sep 25, 2011 11:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
How
is it his fault though? He didn’t really make any move to call for the ball. I could just be biased though, I’m not even remotely a fan of our center. If he had a different last name would he be starting? We could really use a good big center in a recruiting class really soon.
The team has been very uneven so far
But in fairness to the defense they’ve had a bunch of injuries and have only gotten younger in the process. Once Jones, Fisher and #SHAMARKO get back and the team’s healthy (hopefully) I really think that as the year progresses the defense will get better as the freshmen and sophomores mature.
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Not only Chan, #SHAMARKO, and Fisher
but don’t forget Spruill was limited early on today, Ri’Shard and Keon have been in and out of the last few games, and Dyshawn got hurt in the URI game. If the defense gets fully healthy, I think we’ll be WAY better than the past few games have made it seem.
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I didn't like the way Lyn...
…kept getting jacked up by receivers. He couldn’t shed a block all day.
Keon
I think he tweaked his shoulder. Came off field. Trainers looked at it, was back on a few plays later but was favoring it. Hopefully it’s something he can continue to play through.
I certainly hope he can play through it
but I’d rather him fully heal. Having to send our defense out without some of our starters and with others less than 100% has got to be a major factor in why they’ve struggled a bit.
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I'll say this
We are getting a lot of experience for a lot of guys. This is going to help us have depth down the road. I like what I saw out of both Graham and West today. They each converted big first downs.
The bad thing about all these close games is that we are not getting an opportunity to get reps for our young QBs. Like Nassib got.
Dictated, but not read.
Gotta get West out there more.
Syracuse '13
by OrangeCrush13 on Sep 24, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone Tell Nassib He Needs To...
Go West Young Man.
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by Orange Chuck on Sep 24, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder this
Was West benched the first 3 games for the incident over the summer? Kid looks like he could’ve helped us in every game so far and I don’t recall seeing him play a down until those big grabs today. His body type and hands remind me of what we saw in Weaver early last season.
NFGR
by bloodyyank44 on Sep 24, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I must've missed it
NFGR
by bloodyyank44 on Sep 24, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I Agree
A win is a win.
And so help God, if they go back and change it, then I want them to also take a look at some other calls that should have been made to even it out. The officials missed more than one call but that is the game. If we lost, we would have to eat it but we won so let’s enjoy the win.
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You mean like the Pinstripe Bowl?
You got a game-changing bad call. There’s no need to be defensive; it happens.
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by Semicorrect on Sep 25, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess the irritation...
…lies in the fact that it seems that everyone seems to be out to get Syracuse. It’s like in everyone’s eyes we can’t win a game legitimately. It just gets tiresome. ESPN and the Big East are both demonizing SU for leaving this conference, which is odd because I seem to recall that there were two teams. I don’t see Pitt getting anywhere near the abuse that we get for leaving.
I don’t want a pity party. It’s just something we Syracuse fans have to deal with year in, year out.
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by orangebookworm on Sep 25, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
That picture of Nassib makes it look like his right arm was amputated at the elbow
In which case, I would understand him being pissed.
SO CLOSE
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This was a good win
All year long a lot of people here have been saying “I’m terrified of Toledo.” So was I. And, as we saw today and against Ohio State a little while back, with good reason. Toledo was not “just another MAC team.” They’re picked to win the MAC. And that means they can play with pretty much anybody. Anybody in Ann Arbor should agree with that…. anyone in Columbus should too. This is the first year in 3 years they HAVEN’T knocked off a BCS school. Our boys did good.
Also, I don’t think there’s such a thing as “just another MAC team” anymore. Nowadays the MAC can play with anyone, right Maryland and Penn State? Being from the MAC ain’t an automatic win anymore. Pretty much ditto what was being said two weeks ago about FCS… those schools really can play with BCS schools now and have the wins to prove it. Whatever lines may have separated all these different levels have gotten very blurry in the past ten years. We all knew this was going to be huge dogfight going in. All I wanted was a win, b/c Toledo has a good team and had a good chance to win. We beat a good team today. And we showed a lot of toughness and character and grit to do it. Our guys have nothing to apologize for, IMO.
Injured Toledo player
Anyone get an update on the injured Toledo player?
by orangemarine on Sep 24, 2011 7:47 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
apparent concussion, tests came back negative
and he’s making the team flight home to Toledo.
Good news: he’ll be okay
Bad news: he has to go back to Toledo
(too soon?)
by ForthCountry on Sep 24, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a relief
Scary watching them treat him.
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-Che Marrone
Seems like hes alright
For whatever its worth, on my way to M Street, I saw him standing outside of the hospital and when someone asked, he said he was fine
I agree
I was pretty concerned. They said he was moving his arms on the field, but I always cringe when someone is taken off the field like that.
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by orangebookworm on Sep 25, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
You know, I was at the game and things were just not going my way
And then, the epithamy happened, as I was having a tantrum with my next of kin, the defense suddenly stopped Toledo. That was a sign from above. Then the defense, which stunk all day happened to actually intercept a pass. Now, I realize, that have not scored a defensive touchdown for the last SIX years, but that was a big turn over. And the rest of the story goes, we won the game. And, how about that wide receiver called West? # 88, he looked really good today. So what he was mixing with Pitt players and had a drink under age. Now, he is finally forgiven and he can actually catch. God love under age drinkers.
"Mixing with Pitt players"
or negotiating the move to the ACC?
by Dan Lyons on Sep 24, 2011 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
close
but I think his first first name is Price
by dacj501 on Sep 25, 2011 4:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Outstanding effort there
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
by kotite4ever on Sep 25, 2011 11:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The last extra point was not really an extra point, apparently.
Just saw on the scrawl that Big East officials are saying that the last extra point was incorrectly ruled as good when in fact it was a miss.
Is this the beginning of the Big East brown shirts looking to smack us any chance they get?
(I was in the opposite end zone, but it looked like a miss to me, however.)
I thought it was a miss when it was aired live the first time. Stil cant believe the reply officials said it was good. Seemed 100% conclusive that it was a miss. Glad we got the break, since it was the difference between a win and a loss.
One angle looked like it was good
the other angle looked like a miss.
Review inconclusive, ruling on the field stands.
by ForthCountry on Sep 24, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Ticker on ABC elaborates that BE officials deemed it an incorrect ruling
Syracuse officially the jerks of the world, according to said interpretation
by lemonysnicket9 on Sep 24, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Nothing new after this week
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by Matthew Ventolo on Sep 24, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
not close
ball was clearly in front of fg post. I heard someone call it the worst replay review ever. That was over the top.
by CapitalOrange on Sep 24, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I meant this part:
Syracuse officially the jerks of the world
As in we were already the jerks with the ACC move.
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by Matthew Ventolo on Sep 24, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll take it
We’re owed at least a dozen gift calls after all we went through in the Robinson era.
by upstateNYYFan1984 on Sep 24, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Couldn't agree more
Things will shift back in the other direction soon… but Cuse football is due to catch a break or two.
It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.
by Girardi Party on Sep 25, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course it was the wrong call
It was absolutely stunning to see it called good on the field. Then when it wasn’t overturned? I was blown away by the ineptitude.
But hey, not our fault that ALL of the officials on the field and in the booth got it wrong. It’s pretty incredible, huh?
Mind you, I was watching the ESPN3 grainy low-def broadcast circa 1983 and could still tell it was no good. When I saw the highlights in HD, it was even more blatantly obvious.
Still a W.
I disagree
Two replay angles. One showed it good, one bad. That is impossible. But how can you reverse the two refs on the field in that circumstance?
If we weren’t leaving the Big East, the Big East would have stood by the calls by three of its employees. Fucking loser league. Good riddance.
Dictated, but not read.
100% agree. Two videos show different outcomes – that’s inconclusive evidence so the call on the field stands.
The refs probably did it on purpose to create this fiasco to make Cuse look worse and make the BE look better – I’m surprised ESPN hasn’t eaten this up and make Dana O’Neil cry in her articles about how unfair it was for Toledo. I smell Marinatto that loser.
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by Matthew Ventolo on Sep 25, 2011 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I only saw one angle...
ESPN3 only showed the back angle.
I don’t really get how the other angle made it look good, I’ll have to see it to understand. Doesn’t the football just cross in front of a bright yellow goal post? Perhaps the internet can help me…
on the second angle it really looks like the ball goes behind the goal post.
I watched them show both replays while that analyst prick that still couldn’t figure out Prince-Tyson’s name kept saying the replay showed it going in front. the other analyst, the one that could pronounce Prince-Tyson’s name did try to say that it looked inconclusive on the second angle, but then they kept showing the “bad” angle like 20 times and showed the other one like once, and so the second guy gave up and let sputter man do his thing. Too bad Pitt doesn’t teach its (former) quarterbacks how to fucking read.
nice summary
It really was bizarre and don’t remember ever seeing anything like it before. The side angle clearly looked like it was good, and the back angle clearly looked like it was no good. In the Big East’s statement they called the side angle ‘distorted,’ whatever that means. I still don’t know how two replays on a PAT could be so completely different.
by ForthCountry on Sep 25, 2011 7:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I was at the game
And for whats its worth, it looked like it went in to me. No one in the Dome even questioned it en masse, and I didnt hear that “oooooooooo” people make when we miss an XP.
And by the way
That’s pretty shitty for some commish to overrule not 1 – BUT 4 of his OWN officials who were ACTUALLY THERE AT THE GAME from his golden, perfumed perch in Providence. This wasn’t like 1 guy made a questionable call – there were 2 guys on the field who ruled it good in the endzone, then 2 guys watching the replay.
“PROVIDENCE, R.I. (Sept. 24, 2011) — BIG EAST Conference coordinator of football officiating Terry McAulay has issued the following statement, with regard to a play in the fourth quarter of Saturday’s football game between Syracuse and Toledo.
“After studying the videos of the Syracuse extra point attempt at 2:07 of the fourth quarter, we have concluded that the ruling on the field that the kick passed between the uprights was incorrect, and that the replay official made an error in failing to reverse that ruling. In reviewing the video, we have determined that the angle from behind the kicking team shows conclusively that the ball passes outside the right upright.
Our review of the process determined that the replay official mistakenly focused his attention on the sideline angle, which proved to be distorted. We are confident that our officiating staff will learn from this situation in order to prevent a reoccurrence. "
Because he is a fat turd
I am sorry I ever gave that oxygen-wasting collection of cells any benefit of the doubt.
Dictated, but not read.
I couldn't see the ball in the air on any field goals / extra points live
The ESPN3 on Xbox 360 feed for this game was pretty bad, at least for me. It cut back to a scoreboard screen just before SU’s last touchdown drive, and when I switched off the game and switched back, they were showing the replay.
It wasn't bad for me most of the game
until SU’s last TD, when the ESPN/XBOX360 feed went out as you described. I missed that beautiful TD pass by Nassib and catch by Lemon. Words cannot describe how pissed off I was during those precious minutes. But, at least they won.
I did flip over to UNC-GA Tech during halftime. The quality of that broadcast vs Ours was like watching a blue-ray vs home video. (Maybe that gives us something to look forward to?)
NFGR
by bloodyyank44 on Sep 24, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
The missed XP was the only one I could see live actually...
because it didn’t go into the patterned part of the net and crossed in front of the yellow goal post. The FGs I could not see at all. It was awful.
I don’t understand why ESPN3 uses old school cameras…yet the television broadcast had HD. What gives?
I wasn't able to watch the game,
but I’m sure the game thread was filled with all positive vibes. As it should be, because we are 3-1!
SU 97
It was!
But we were saying how you were missed.
xo
by lemonysnicket9 on Sep 24, 2011 10:10 PM EDT reply actions
I know the John Mackey comparison
is very apropos for Provo’s play today, but I have to say the first thing that popped into my head when I saw it “That’s Mark Bavaro”. You know what I’m talking about. And if they want to complain about the missed EP (which was an horrible missed call) they can then explain how a defender can hip-check a receiver to the ground in the end zone and not get called for PI. That call very well could have led to four more points for us.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 24, 2011 10:34 PM EDT reply actions
Or the missed facemask on Bailey
Toledo guy almost ripped his head right off with it while Bailey was already on the turf. That would’ve put us in much better position for a TD, rather than settle for a FG.
This is why I try not to criticize officials too much…you get too deep into ‘maybe’ and ‘what-if’ territory.
NFGR
by bloodyyank44 on Sep 24, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
They didnt make ANY calls today
There were some pretty obvious pass interference penalties (both ways) that were not called. Face masks and encroachments.
May Doug Marrone bless you and keep you.
I was there and some of my thoughts:
- Macky can keep his guy in front of him (usually with help) but he sure can not open holes. He needs to put some size on if he is going to keep his job next year. Ryan was pressured way too much from DTs up the center.
- With our banged up secondary, we should expect to see a lot of teams taking advantage of our deep coverage on the far side. All day they would line two receivers up with the far receiver cutting in front and setting a pick for the closer receiver who then only has to beat a guy 15 yards out on the far sideline. They got us from 6 to 10 every time. But we cant play press because we are not good enough to get beat on a fly.
- Its a shame we have to play so much zone. Perhaps when these young guys get comfortable in their rolls. Its just such an easy D to pick apart.
- Yes it was a nooner, but the students need to turn out to these games. I went to SU from ’04 to 08 and I would have killed for a team this good. Go.
- Ryan is the real deal. He stared down his target a couple times ( that one pass to Lemon that was broken up in the end zone) but he knows where his other routes will be and goes through his progressions and knows when to check down. He did blow it on on play when he decided to tuck and run but he will hear all about that in film this week.
- We did a decent job taking away their best WR and stopping the run. If we can do that every week, we will get to a bowl game.
- Toledo was freaking HUGE. Every guy on their squad made our guys look small. Im not saying they are all on steroids, but it looked like watching regular TV on a wide screen, then stretching the image – so you tell me. (watch bigger stronger faster then try and tell me they werent)
- Nice to see us get a little running game going. Mixing backs is the only way we are going to be able to do it this year .
- We didnt look like the better team, but we made the key plays to win the game so I give them credit for that.
- Hey its a win. What am I complaining about?
GO ORANGE!
May Doug Marrone bless you and keep you.
i was there.
Tailgate was epic before and after game.
I haven’t seen a replay and I can tell you conclusively, from my vantage point in the OTHER endzone that that xp was missed. We were shocked the counted it. I literally saw it cross n front of upright.
I love it.
The 'Cuse is in tha house, oh my God oh my God.
by StrawHatGuy on Sep 24, 2011 11:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I think this team is better than everyone might believe
Yes we have struggled, but damn it exciting to watch. The defense is kinda in shambles. I think it will improve once all the starters get back on the field. It’s hard to replace players like #SHAMARKO, Jones, while breaking in all new linebackers. I think once everyone settles in their positions on defense it will sure up as the season goes on. I mean who in our secondary is healthy? P. Thomas has a broken jaw. Lyn is in a soft cast, Anderson has a messed up shoulder, the list goes on. The bye week can’t some soon enough.
On the other hand the offense is, in my opinion, vastly improved. Nassib is playing incredibly so far this season. Extremely accurate, making good decisions, finding the open man, looking off defenders, I could go on. We have more big plays than at this time last season. We’re not going to be mistaken for a team that’s explosive, but if I said we were going to be averaging 27 ppg after the first month while only scoring 21 against RI I think most people would take that.
If I ever start feeling bad about Syracuse all I have to do is look at the 2008 season. We lose all these games if that team is on the field.
No doubt
Yeah, our offense is definitely improved. What won football games for us last year was pretty much our defense because our offense could not move the ball (except for Carter). I’m looking forward to getting our starters back on defense. Nassib is absolutely killing it. I love watching him play. I just wish that we’d take some more risks with our play calling and air it out a bit more. He has already done it and is capable of doing it again. That’s how you change momentum and that’s how you get fans excited and pack out the Dome.
What Ive definitely seen is improvement
not necessarily play-calling but execution.
If your team cant execute a play successfully in practice, a coach/coordinator isn’t going to call for it ina game. By the end of conference play last year, Nassibs job was pretty to much to hand off the ball to Carter – for a reason. We had a struggling new QB and banged up receiving corp last year, and the vanilla play calling showed it.
Ive started to hear rumblings about Marrone having a conservative playbook, but I think thats what you use when you have a young, rebuilding team like Cuse. He’s still working on the fundamentals to get them wins. BUT – We’ve seen successful reverses, bootlegs, and a flea flicker this year though!!!!! He also went for a few times and a 4th and short!!!! I dont think we saw anything like that before the Pinstripe Bowl last year.
a few things
1) regarding the extra point, it looked good from the side, and it looked, um, bad from the “normal view” yet the ref directly under the goalpost called it good and the game is over and Cuse won, so whatever. of course, whenever they show the replay, they only show the questionable replay, not the one where the ball looked good. of course.
2) the defense, for being so young, is doing just enough to this point in the season. as mentioned earlier, once the starters and most of the first string get healthy again, it should improve significantly. meanwhile, the young ’uns are getting plenty of real-game experience, which can only help out down the road.
3) can someone PLEASE figure out what year of eligibility Nassib is in? In one game he’s listed as a junior. In yesterday’s game he was listed as a senior. I was under the impression that he’s a senior academically but a junior eligibility-wise thanks to a redshirt season. (if so, then we should all be REALLY REALLY excited about what he’ll be able to do next year…if not, then forget about this last sentence.)
4) 3-1 is 3-1 no matter how you look at it. Its what we all predicted, and its where the team is now. Can’t complain about that.
cool
that was what i thought, i just wanted that confirmed. so now i know to be annoyed whenever the espn/tv graphic shows senior…just like it did for onuaku a few years ago.
Nassib spread the balla round to 7 different receivers
Yeah, the D is banged up, Toledo is better than your average non-AQ team. But, that game was Nassib carrying the team. I couldn’t be happier with his progress as a QB.
3-1, in great shape for a bowl, to start BE season. Really could not of expected any better. Very happy with the team’s progress.
Go Orange(men)!
Goal posts
It seems to me a simple solution to all controversial field goals and XPs is to attach the net directly to the goal posts like in lacrosse, soccer, hockey, etc…
If you kick the ball and it winds up inside the net, it’s good. If you kick the ball and it’s outside of the net, then it’s no good.
Above the posts is a little harder, but at least the officials could concentrate more on “is the ball above the posts” then, “is the ball within the posts”. But, if you really want to change thing up, then make it where you have to aim the ball within the posts (and into the net), no exceptions.
Or just make the damn uprights taller
But I am intrigued by essentially making it a “goal” with four distinct boundaries (rather than three). Don’t know if they’d ever do it since the goal posts are so iconic but it would remove all ambiguity.
And great call with the net idea. Usually it’s not a problem but for the one time in a zillion like yesterday, why on Earth leave it to guesswork?
It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.
by Girardi Party on Sep 25, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow - ESPN.com
If you read the Big East blogs comment sections, it’s harder to say who’s more of a hater – random Big East mouth breathing fans from other schools, or Andrea Adelson herself. She takes shots at us all the time, and while we’re certainly not the best 3-1 team in America, we are where we should be through four games. She’d realize that if she hadn’t been so busy slurping WVU all week.
Fuck her and the rest of the haters, and bring on Rutgers this week. Let’s make it three in a row over that team.
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
by kotite4ever on Sep 25, 2011 11:54 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Agree
I am trying to send her this email:
Syracuse fan. I naturally watched the game. If you are a serious journalist, you need to make a few inquiries:
#1. Why won’t ESPN show the side angle of the XP replay? It’s easy to criticize the call from the front angle, but the broadcast included a side angle that showed the ball disappear. I recall a television show debunking UFO’s noting how an image can pass in front of something on video, even though it does not. Perhaps that’s what happened with the side angle. Or perhaps that’s what happened from the front angle. Isn’t the real deal here the imperfection in the videos? And how can we rely on instant replay for those situations when the video is subject to inaccuracy?
#2. Why didn’t the Big East refs who called the XP good on the field get reprimanded too? Again, I question how the replay official can overturn a call on the field where the video is (distortion or otherwise) inconclusive. But the two guys with the best angle did not get the call right live.
#3. I gave you benefit of the doubt as a commentator for the Big East, but if you truly think that this Syracuse should have lost, that’s ridiculous. Toledo still could have won the game, but chose to play for overtime. They had the ball at the 9 yard-line with 1:00 to go and went ultra-conservative. And that was with a TD leading to a victory. If they only needed a FG to win, they would have tried to get a 40-yard field goal. Any reasonable sports reporter trying to be accurate would note that a bad call in the 8th inning or with 2 minutes to go is not outcome determinative.
If this call had been on a last-second FG, the argument that Syracuse should have lost would be stronger. But it wasn’t. And nobody should pretend that it was.
Anthony
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Dictated, but not read.
Very well said
I tweeted at her a quick comment along the lines of “don’t draw false conclusions.” I HATE when people are like, “if they had missed that extra point, then they would have lost.” No. Sorry. You can’t know that.
Our defense KNEW that, at worst, a tie would result if Toledo kicked a field goal, so we played a very soft zone on key plays during the final Rockets drive. If we only had a two point lead, maybe we would have lost, but maybe not. Maybe we take some chances on defense, maybe we roll out some crazy blitzes, who the hell knows? Of COURSE if the kick was bad and they missed it (and it looked bad from the straightaway view) we got a huge break, but you can’t predict the following sequence of events. Yes, maybe we blitz and we give up a huge back-breaking touchdown…or maybe we sack the QB or force a turnover, and win the game by two points in regulation.
Christ, Andrea is making me long for the days of Brian Bennett.
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
by kotite4ever on Sep 25, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
She seems to be pulling a Dana-O'Neil on Syracuse
Calling us names because the move to the ACC threatens the Big East, and by proxy, the quality and prestige of her job as Big East blogger/Resident Shill
by lemonysnicket9 on Sep 25, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
To her credit...
…she did tweet back at me to further discuss it. Now I feel bad that I went all f bomb on her above. Sorry Andrea! You’re still wrong, though.
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
by kotite4ever on Sep 26, 2011 9:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
SERENITY NOW!!!!
Not sure I can take a whole season, let alone 3 more years of thin-skinned Syracuse fans coping with the new reality.
When did we become so effin’ sensitive?
We’re the Tony Montana’s of the BE (" Look at the bad guy")- until further notice….SO FRICKEN WHAT???
Can we not see a conspiracy or feel a need to defend EACH and EVERY inevitable shot we’re gonna take from the assorted morons? We know we’re in the better position, so who gives a flyin F’%k?
Lighten up, fellas- its a long & bumpy ride.
I hear what you’re saying, but I still feel a need to tell the haters to go shove it up their collective asses. Maybe that’s just me, haha.
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
by kotite4ever on Sep 25, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
You summed it up
Mouth-breathers can be ignored.
But ESPN and its turd reporters? Not so much.
Dictated, but not read.
We won
And Toledo should count it as a win.
LITTLE KNOWN FACT: There is nothing to prevent you from claiming a loss as a win in nonconference play.
Addendum
Toledo still had chances to win the game and didn’t convert on them. Tough Fucking Noogies.
We will not rest until we see these capitalist octopuses annihilated.
-Che Marrone
lol
If you wanna take that line of reasoning.
by Nick Petrilli on Sep 25, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not a line of reasoning
it’s a fact. Toledo had a bit over two minutes to score a touchdown to win, and had a first and goal with a minute on the clock, and got conservative and played for the tie. They then proceeded to make a bad play call on the first offensive play of overtime and turned it over. There was no reason to try and air it out like that. Toledo had been driving the ball all over the field the whole game. If they had stayed the course, they had a decent chance of getting a touch down.
It was horrible call, and I can feel for the Rockets as I’ve had teams that I pull for hard be on wrong end of the same stick (Brett Hull’s skate was in the crease) but in the end they still had chances to win the game and didn’t, so suck it up and go bang on Todd Beckman’s door to ask him about his play calling.
We will not rest until we see these capitalist octopuses annihilated.
-Che Marrone
We need 7 or 8 wins
We are going to hear about this $h!7 all year that we are actually down one win from where we are. That female four letter word over at BE ESPN blog has us above only UConn because we are really 2-2… Once conference play starts next wee she can shut her mouth. We need a nice win over Rutgers and I’ll be a happy boy.
I really don't fear Rutgers
As I think Toledo probably beats them 8 or 9 times out of 10. The Orange should be 5-1 at the break, and if they can’t manage to go 2-4 down the stretch, I’ll go be on the Running Man and take my chances with Fireball.
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-Che Marrone
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