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Syracuse & Pitt To ACC: I Mean, Where Do I Begin?

Goodness me, I'm so behind on all this "Syracuse Orange and Pittsburgh Panthers in the ACC" nonsense. Let me try to get up to speed here...

So the thing I've been wondering all day is, when will then be now? Not that soon, apparently.

The Big East's exit fee is $5 million, and schools wanting to leave must provide 27 months' notice.

So unless we want to either shovel out a boatload of money or make this into an ugly legal drama, we're still gonna be in the Big East for a while. And everyone's going to hate us the entire time, so that'll be fun.

Then again, perhaps not:

I would think that in the weeks ahead, everyone will be looking at the transition period and trying to determine whether the 27-month notice period really serves everyone’s best interests," Nordenberg said today.

The way everything's been moving, I wouldn't be surprised if we're gone after this season and I wouldn't be surprised if it takes the full 27 months.

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It was a bit apropos that Syracuse traveled to Los Angeles to play the USC Trojans the same weekend this move was announced. It was even more apropos that Syracuse got beat pretty good by USC's more talented roster. DOC Gross sees this as the perfect jumping-off point for why SU needed to make this move:

"If you want to make Syracuse something that can compete with USC and you’re operating with less resources, that’s very hard to do," declared Gross before settling in to watch the rest of the mismatched Orange’s eventual 38-17 loss to the unbeaten Trojans. "So you have to figure out how you’re going to have sustainability. We have to do what’s best for this institution, whether it’s popular or unpopular or whatever. You have to put yourself in the best position."

"If Syracuse University is going to be a BCS, big-time football program you can’t just say, ‘Oh, we’ll keep doing what we’re doing, and we’ll be fine. And we’ll hope for the best because we’re Syracuse.’ You have to be able to brand yourself so you can recruit and be attractive to TV. All those things go into the pot and have to be considered."

Gross also said, "I don’t like those Pac-12 referees. I never liked them. I didn’t like them when I was here." Which is admittedly pretty awesome.

Star-divide

The first two Big East schools I thought of when this went down were UConn and Rutgers. I'm reasonably sure that West Virginia will land on its feet in the SEC. As for Cincy, Louisville and USF...they might be SOL (and they know it). But the Huskies and Knights are still prime candidates for a league like, say...The ACC. So its no surprise that UConn is going out guns blazing trying to join us.

If that's the case, the ACC will obviously need a 16th and since Notre Dame ain't coming and everyone should stop trying, that would make Rutgers the obvious choice. And just like that, the ACC would own the entire Eastern seaboard, including Boston, NYC, DC, Baltimore, Charlotte, Atlanta, Miami and all those fat, juicy markets in between.

The ACC is "comfortable" with 14 teams but "not philosophically opposed" to 16. In other words, they're gonna go 16 as soon as they can.

How are the other Big East schools reacting? By following suit and thinking solely about themselves, like they should be. West Virginia's Oliver Luck doesn't even mention the Big East in his statement. South Florida keeps its options open. Same goes for Louisville.

Cincinnati, meanwhile, thinks "The Big East is a viable organization. I think they can survive." And that's why they're Cincinnati.

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Could the ACC Tournament end up in Madison Square Garden, even if on a rotational basis? Talk about the ultimate kiss-off to the Big East. I'm guessing that for every trip to MSG, Duke/UNC are going to require one in Charlotte or Raleigh, so, keep that in mind.

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As for basketball, obviously it's a shame that the days of playing Villanova, UConn, Georgetown, St. John's and the rest of them twice a season are over. That said, don't kid yourself and think we'll stop playing these guys altogether. Georgetown isn't dumb, they know how much money is on the table every time they play Syracuse. Same goes for Nova as well as St. John's, who will continue to pay rent on our home in Manhattan. Besides, we might still be seeing UConn often.

Expect to see Big East schools pepper our non-conference schedules from now until the ACC folds in 2037 and we join the Big North America Conference.

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The one ACC school who has to be the happiest to see us is Boston College. Diamond Ferri memories aside, all of a sudden the Eagles are no longer this island all the way up the coast. They now have Northeastern bros and, even better, they're bros that bring rivalry and history with them.

A big criticism of Boston College's move to the ACC back in 2004 was that the school and the program abandoned longstanding rivalries with Syracuse (in particular) and Pittsburgh. Looks like the old gang is back together again. BC and Syracuse have met on the gridiron 46 times previously, with the Orange owning a 28-18 edge in the all-time series. The only program we've played more frequently is Holy Cross. Pittsburgh and BC have met 29 times, with the Panthers having a slight 16-13 edge in the all-time series. Football games in Syracuse and Pittsburgh are easy trips for Superfans from Boston and add to the already solid list of college football destinations on Saturdays.

You can probably bet that we'll close the football season against BC more often than not. (And hey, Virginia's excited too).

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Speaking of Virginia, I can't say enough about excited I am for ACC Lacrosse, which sounds crazy. After bashing this shady four-team cartel for years, it's now a five-team super-cartel that we're a part of. I have to imagine someone else is going to come along with a new lax program just to get in on the action (FSU? BC?). College Crosse has more.

23 National Titles, including eight of the last ten. Countless Final Fours, All-Americans and everything else. The idea of an All-ACC Top Five in the polls or an All-ACC Final Four is not unlikely at all.

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Well, at least the Big East protected DePaul's interests. And really, isn't that what it's all about.

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I’ve heard, completely unofficially and nothing but speculation, coming from FSU fans (my entire family) that FSU may use this as an impetus to step up from club lacrosse to D1.

This never would have been necessary if the higher ups in the Big East had an IQ higher than that of the broccoli & cheese I just had with dinner. Alas…

Never argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience.

by wildcatlh on Sep 18, 2011 5:57 PM EDT reply actions  

For the basketball tourney, I'd like to see a regional model

The ACC North and ACC South each have their own early-round feeder tourneys in geographically appropriate and lucrative places (if not MSG for the North, I selfishly hope it’s Barclays so I can walk to a Syracuse game again), with the top X teams moving on to the ACC Finals in DC or somewhere else reasonably accessible to all schools.

by PMS 1655 C on Sep 18, 2011 6:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice

This is an awesome idea, not very likely because people in power are stupid and its to good of a solution, but I love it, especially if we add UConn and Rutgers and have the old Big East around for the most part

by orangemarine on Sep 18, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jim Boeheim Quotes

From ESPN:

"I spent 30 years in the Big East, so this will be hard for me.’’ Syracuse coach Jim Boeheim said on Sunday. "This has been hard for me, but the school has to do what’s best for the school. This is a hard pill for me because this is what I know. [Big East founder] Dave Gavitt (who passed away Friday night at 73) made us all. Without him, there would be no Hall of Fame for me, no national championship for Jim Boeheim. There’s a lot of history.’’

When talking about rivalries he wants continued, he said Syracuse has played St. John’s for over 100 years and that should continue as should Georgetown. He can’t see those games not getting played. We’ll see…

by redmen9194 on Sep 18, 2011 6:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Uh oh

My first feeling after reading this is Jimmy B’s retirement. It was said last year that he may only coach for 4-5 more years (or something along those lines). May be too hard for Jimmy to start fresh in a new conference. Not saying that this will happen, but if you have someone who is close to retiring and then ask them to completely change the landscape he is accustom too, well, may just be the straw that broke the back.

by Mike Will is DoubleDown on Sep 19, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dude's what, 64 now?

four or five more years would put him close to 70. I love the guy as our coach, but I don’t want a Paterno situation on our hands. JoePa needs to hang ’em up for the good of his program.

We will not rest until we see these capitalist octopuses annihilated.

-Che Marrone

by jpb531 on Sep 19, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Best of luck to you guys.

I don’t begrudge you in the least for leaving (like I did with BC back in 2003). You’re doing what’s best for you, and you have a bright future ahead of you. I’ll miss playing you on a yearly basis…at least in football, where we could actually win some games. Although, I’m sure I’ll be stopping by the blog from time to time since you’re the best team blog out there, IMO. Thx fr th Memrs, fellas.

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by Country Roads on Sep 18, 2011 7:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Plus

We have the next 27 months full of games. Hope you guys can make it to the SEC.

It’s where you “belong.” Mountain Mama.

Dictated, but not read.

by ezcuse on Sep 18, 2011 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ditto that

I’ll miss the annual tilt for the Scwartzwalder trophy, unless of course WVU lands in the ACC instead of the SEC. I’d hope that Gross and Luck would try and schedule OOC games on a semi regular basis.

We will not rest until we see these capitalist octopuses annihilated.

-Che Marrone

by jpb531 on Sep 18, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've always...

…wanted to make a road trip to Morgantown so I could have a trash can thrown on my head from the upper deck. Now I’ll just have to enjoy the potentially-final meeting next month in the Dome. If you make the road trip, just walk around the bar saying, “I’m the WVU guy who likes Troy Nunes.” If I’m there, I’ll buy you a beer.

Good luck!

by offthedome on Sep 18, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

It’s hard to show love to WVU, but I would love for you guys to join us, Pitt, and VT in the ACC. If not, hopefully we can match up frequently for football, and I’ll pull for you to represent the “Big East” well in the SEC.

by E Scott on Sep 18, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I gotta say in terms of football

Youre the only rivalry we will keep, and keep playing on a regular basis OOC. I mean, we DO have a whole Trophy set aside for the winner. Since we will now be playing BC again, and continuing to play Pitt – youre really the only football team we are leaving that we would care about playing in terms of rivalry/legacy.

Good luck if/when you join the SEC, but I dont think Cuse and WVU have seen the last of the gridiron together by a long shot.

by Pinker on Sep 19, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

it'll be hard to play regularly, though
  • The ACC and SEC are probably going to end up playing 9 game schedules (keeps everyone in the conference on the schedule more frequently)
  • WVU almost certainly will add Pitt to the list of regular season-ending SEC/ACC games
  • Outside of the Pac 12, AQ conference teams seem determined to have at least 7 home games every year
  • they’d probably like some variety in the other non-cupcake they play (given that one OOC game pretty much has to be a MAC / Sun Belt / FCS team)

So while we’ll play some I’d bet, it won’t be every year or even every other year.

by drothgery on Sep 19, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

was reading the FSU blog...

and their commenters didn’t seem to be happy with the move. it seems like the ACC hoops schools love adding Cuse and Pitt and the ACC football schools hate it.

If the ACC “North” division is BC, Cuse, Pitt, MD, Uva, VT, Uconn, and Rutgers….VT is the only school in there that could bring more than a thousand fans to the ACC Championship game in football. That conference championship game would continue to be a joke.

by cuse 04 on Sep 18, 2011 8:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Unhappy?

Those people are nuts! Some sort of myopic belief that their football team has been USF-level because of the ACC. Seriously… maybe getting rid of Bowden before it was 5 years too late?

Wow

Dictated, but not read.

by ezcuse on Sep 18, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

change the format of the league into four (4 team) division with 2 weeks of playoffs.

If what I have heard suggested is remotely true and this is all a prelude to dumping the NCAA then why not just have a 4 division league. Play round one in the higher ranked of the division winners home stadium and round 2 in New York and only New York. Perhaps in Yankee Stadium or even build a field in central park for a weekend if Met life seems to big.

If FSU and Miami are in different divisions and return to late 80s form then both northern teams will have to travel down there once. Or you just allow the south the play each other and the north to play each other. Then hope the Northern team travels well to NYC. Man would it be nice if PSU could leave the Big 10. It would make that championship game so more interesting from an attendance point of view.

by Charnold on Sep 19, 2011 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Florida St Prison

would always be welcomed in the SEC.

SU 97

by nleary66 on Sep 19, 2011 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

By the time we play in the ACC

this will be Hopkins team. Just a hunch, but Jimmy B created this league, got in the HOF here, and won’t want to forge some new legacy. He recruited players that fit his scheme and could handle the demands of a BE season. The ACC style is a little different and may require SU to rethink how it recruits players and for what position.

SU 97

by nleary66 on Sep 18, 2011 10:37 PM EDT reply actions  

thinking about it

you may be right about that. and its sad to think it.

by Acera on Sep 18, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

The contrary view

JB so cares about the school that he wants to see the first few years in the ACC off correctly. That would be leaving Hop in a bad situation.

I don’t see him doing the Weekend at JoePa’s thing where he is a mere shadow of himself coaching. But he still seems so far away from lacking the energy. When Ray Meyer was his age, he seemed like he was 90. JB seems like he could still kick most of our asses… without even taking his glasses off.

Dictated, but not read.

by ezcuse on Sep 18, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno

It’s not like the B1G, where “the first one to 42 wins” is the norm. The BEast has gained a reputation as a beat ‘em up league, but Syracuse was also in the top 10 (5 maybe?) in the country in scoring a couple years ago. I think Syracuse’s “style” is get W’s any way you can. Jim B has always been about defense, but he’s not oppossed to outscoring people if need be. Plus, I think coming from a more physical league will be an advantage. The ACC is a finesse league, but finesse doesn’t work too well when you’re getting knocked on your ass.

If anything, I think Syracuse will do very well in its first few ACC basketball seasons, when they still have the advantage of “what’s this crazy zone they’re playing”. The Orange have done well against ACC competition recently (beating NC State and UNC each at least twice in the last 5 years, as far as I can remember), and I don’t see any reason why things should change just because they’ll now be conference games.

"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes

by FeloniousPhunk on Sep 19, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Have fun in College Park

After you trounce Maryland in the Comcast Center, there are some really nice transmission shops on Rt. 1 you can visit. Not exactly like Clyde’s at the Verizon Center.

As for us, well, who knows…

by JTBHoya on Sep 19, 2011 12:02 AM EDT reply actions  

These future matchups

 just don’t get me aroused. UM in the Comcast Shitter…see where I’m going with this?

SU 97

by nleary66 on Sep 19, 2011 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just know that

somewhere right now Diamond Ferri is currently weeping over this news.

Without Gerry McNamara we wouldn't have won 10 f-- games, not 10

by PoetryInMoten on Sep 19, 2011 12:37 AM EDT reply actions  

if JAB had any idea what a "text" was

what do you think the ones he’d get from Roy and Coach K would say?

by dacj501 on Sep 19, 2011 1:26 AM EDT reply actions  

What about Higgins and Burr

They aren’t a part of this deal cause if so I don’t like it one bit.

by dray97 on Sep 19, 2011 3:09 AM EDT reply actions  

They better be left behind

I mean, who’s gonna ref the Providence-DePaul games?

One downside I see is the ACC refs. Get ready for BMK to get a flaggrant for trying to back down a defender in Cameron.

by E Scott on Sep 19, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

For some reason I thought Basketball refs were regional not conference affiliated.

'Cuse 2010, Michigan 2012

by Orange22 on Sep 19, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does this mean no more beer at the dome?

Isn’t the ACC a ‘dry’ conference with no booze sales at sporting events?

I do remember the ACC stopped Florida State from selling beer when they joined the ACC so don’t think we will be ‘grandfathered’ in.

by moosedontbounce on Sep 19, 2011 9:04 AM EDT reply actions  

if no beer at dome,

no fans ha

"It's magnificent to be in Europe, and this club - a club like Tottenham Hotspur - if we're not in Europe.... we're nothing. We're nothing." - Bill Nicholson

by Timmy L. on Sep 19, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

or tailgating would have to become expanded

or more bars

"It's magnificent to be in Europe, and this club - a club like Tottenham Hotspur - if we're not in Europe.... we're nothing. We're nothing." - Bill Nicholson

by Timmy L. on Sep 19, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t see that going well.

'Cuse 2010, Michigan 2012

by Orange22 on Sep 19, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

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