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New APR Standards Would Have Kept Syracuse Out Of 2011 NCAA Tournament

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The Academic Progress Rate (APR) is kind of a B.S. rating system that the NCAA uses to measure where your school stands on player graduation and grades. In theory, it's a good tool that makes sure academics remain a major focus for student-athletes. The problem is, it doesn't take into account the reality of college athletics (i.e. players leaving early).

Voteprime broke down the issue last year when Syracuse's APR score fell below the 925 point threshold for penalties (912). While that sounds like really bad news and paints our program in a bad light, he was quick to remind everyone (which the NCAA will not take the time to do), that the reason Syracuse's score was so low was because three players left early in one season (Jonny Flynn, Eric Devendorf and Paul Harris) and, in theory, left in "poor academic standing."

So keep that in mind when you read about the new APR standards that the NCAA presidents are pushing. Long story short, if you fall below the yellow line, your school will receiver much harsher penalties, including a postseason ban. That means, had the new rules been in place this past season, Syracuse would have been banned from participating in the NCAA Tournament.

Ohio State, Purdue and Kansas State are among the other schools in the same predicament. And UConn, whose score hovered at 930, would have barely qualified for their National Championship run. To boot, since they fell below the line this year, they would be ineligible to defend that title.

So what's the fix here? If a situation like Syracuse's, where every other player on the roster besides the ones who left early for pro careers performed well in the classroom, arises under the new rules, is there some kind of waiver? Or are we to be penalized for having really talented players who don't need to stay here for four years?

Syracuse should see its APR number climb exponentially over the next couple years so it will probably become a moot point. Still, the new APR rules sound good in theory but I fear there's some error in the reality.

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Typical NCAA crap

They show no foresight at all and create policies based solely on knee-jerk reactions. I remember reading that Voterprime article awhile back and it came to mind when I started seeing news of them raising the APR line to 930. I’m all for demanding that student-athletes be students first. But, obviously, the NCAA system can’t remain as hard-lined as it is now. Unfortunately, the NCAA won’t realize this until teams like Syracuse, Kentucky, Kansas, UConn, Texas, etc. start missing NCAA tourneys.

"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes

by FeloniousPhunk on Aug 12, 2011 1:40 PM EDT reply actions  

NCAA

will fix the APR loopholes. It’s not going into effect for another 3-5 years and they’ll figure out what to do about kids leaving early and not getting their degree. The NCAA has been much quicker with this stuff since Emmert has been in charge. I like what they did here. Start going to class or don’t play.

by krackatoan on Aug 12, 2011 1:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Poor academic standing

They each stopped going to class after the season was over. How can a coach make a player go to class if that player has decided he wants to be a professional player and not a student-athlete anymore?

by zibby on Aug 12, 2011 2:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Exaclty what I was about to say

This sounds like another completely off base reaction by the NCAA. So, I admit that I have not done much research on this outside of reading VotePrime’s piece and this post here. But, from what I understand, this could be another situation of punish the program instead of the kids who are committing the crime. I mean, lets say Kemba Walker was a sophomore and hasnt graduated yet (he graduated in 3 years at UCONN). Uconn won the title and Kemba decides to leave early. If Uconn was already hovering around the 925 mark and Kemba’s early departure bumped them below the 925 mark, Uconn would be ineligible to play in the 2012 NCAA tournament??? This sounds like that whole USC/OSU thing all over again. The ones committing the crime leave and make millions at the next level while all the fans, remaining players, coaches, etc etc get punished cause the player went pro.

Now, I understand that it takes more then 1 player to leave to drop below the 925 score. If everyone is going to class and one guy F’s up its not going to drop them below the 925. But to me, its just another case of punishing the wrong people.

I know the NCAA cant keep kids from leaving early and there is no way the NBA is going to side with NCAA and say “we wont draft you till you graduate”. No way that happens. BUT…what if they change the scholarship requirements? What if the NCAA says the only way you have a full ride is you complete all 4 years (or at least 3 years)? If you decide to leave early and get drafted at the next level, then you have to pay back the tuition from the previous 3-4 years. I know this wont keep players from leaving early but it may slow it down and give the players leaving early a second thought. I mean, how much is tuition for 4 years at SU? 200k?? I’m not sure…but if they have to pay that back it may give borderline players a 2nd thought.

Or I could just be talking out of my ass….either way

by Mike Will is DoubleDown on Aug 12, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not a bad take on it.

The whole retro-active punishment thing doesn’t make any sense to me. "Oh you cheated. Now you don’t get those wins. Wait…you already won, so we will just pretend you didn’t. " HOW is that a punishment?

Born in '87, Orange fan since '86

by StealthTurkey on Aug 12, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think

if a player is drafted in the first round and has a guaranteed contract, regardless of his academic standing, it should not be counted against the school.

Look, the whole point of going to college is to get you ready for your career. If you gain employment and are guaranteed a paycheck, then you’ve succeeded in your reason to go to college. There’s no need to go back for more.

Without Gerry McNamara we wouldn't have won 10 f-- games, not 10

by PoetryInMoten on Aug 13, 2011 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or are we to be penalized for having really talented players who don’t need to stay here for four years?

I think this might actually be part of the point. I think this is a way some of these presidents want to fight the one-and-done type of players. I don’t know that it will work because the players will do what they do, but maybe the hope is that coaches will shy away from players that might have that mentality? Maybe I’m wrong and they will work in some waivers/loopholes to deal with talented players leaving early, but I kind of suspect these presidents don’t like seeing kids breeze through campus for a year or two while barely attending class (even if they bring national attention and money). So this is their misguided way of trying to slow that kind of thing down.

I may be way off-base, but I’m wondering if the presidents are trying to take some kind of principled stand.

by NOLACuse on Aug 12, 2011 3:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't think ...

…the NCAA is really concerned with kids leaving early. If they cared that much, they’d institute rules like they have for baseball, where a kid can get drafted but still play college ball. I’ve never understood why it ISN’T this way for basketball. I understand that, in baseball, 200 kids get drafted a year and 180 of them won’t sniff the majors for at least 5 years anyway. So baseball clubs would almost rather have a kid develop in college and not have to pay them. But the NBA is heading in that direction too. They don’t have the extensive minor league system of MLB, but it’s pretty common practice to draft a young foreign player and let some other club pay his salary while he develops.

I think the NCAA’s main concern in this issue is maintaining the illusion that their mission is to keep students-athletes as students, not un(der)paid professionals when their true mission is like that of any corporate body…to make money.

"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes

by FeloniousPhunk on Aug 12, 2011 4:21 PM EDT reply actions  

The whole thing is dumb

But I disagree with the assertion that the coach does not have any control over whether players go to class. If you recruit players who have a mindset that education is a 10th priority in life, then that is inevitable. After the last whistle, the books get sold back for spending money.

However, if you can recruit players who at least give SOME crap about their education, it is less inevitable. And, once you get them on campus, you can instill in them the concept that the education is something that they need to pursue vigorously for their own personal development AND provide them the follow-up to make sure that the value is being perceived… it is also less inevitable. I am sure JB has hundreds of stories of guys who were ill prepared even for the NBA because of a lack of education. What’s the point of living large for a few years and then going bankrupt? So what if you get money but do not have the good sense to invest it properly? School can be tedious and seem disjointed with “the real life,” but it is up to the guy in the suit and tie to reach these kids. He had 2-3 years for Flynn, Devo, and Harris. i find it hard to believe that this came out of nowhere.

If all schools are playing by the same rules, this means that all schools will have to figure out a way to respond too. It might mean the end of Kentucky as we know it. Or… we may just see Kentucky spearheading the changes to the APR system that prevent this problem.

Dictated, but not read.

by ezcuse on Aug 13, 2011 8:39 AM EDT reply actions  

The problem is

that the way things are now, the head coaches are put into a position where they MUST win games or else they are thrown out quickly. You see it in college football and in college basketball. Even if a coach consistantly graduates athletes, the boosters will still clamor for his head if he’s not making bowl games or NCAA tournaments. Thus they’re almost forced to recruit the Beasley’s and Durant’s at the cost of them not being good students or else they get fired for having too many 18-14 seasons at prestigious universities like Kentucky or UNC or UCLA.

Without Gerry McNamara we wouldn't have won 10 f-- games, not 10

by PoetryInMoten on Aug 13, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

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