Prince-Tyson Gulley Stabbed on South Campus
by Nick Petrilli on Jul 29, 2011 11:05 AM EDT
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UPDATE: Just to get away from the Twittering and Facebooking of reports, Syracuse Athletics released a statement today on Gulley getting Tony'd on the playground. Here's the story from The Daily Orange.
- The Glaude
Syracuse.com is reporting that a 19 year old year old student was stabbed multiple times at a party on Slocum Drive, South Campus last night at 1:25 AM. His injuries are not considered life threatening, and his name was not released by the University or Police. Multiple sources on the team are reporting or confirming that the 19 year old student in question is in fact, Prince-Tyson Gulley.
Needless to say thoughts and prayers are going out to Prince right now, and we can all be very thankful for Prince that his injuries are not life threatening. However, the extent of his injuries are unknown and any possible permanent or prolonged effects from this are unknown. I could be callous like certain writers from ESPN in the past and discuss how this opens the door for Adonis coming into camp. I won't, that shouldn't be discussed, and that is an issue for Hackett and Marrone to discuss. I'm sure everyone agrees with me that we just all hope Prince only suffered minor wounds and simply needs some stitches.
Instead, I'd rather discuss another issue I've seen brought up by this, one I am unfamiliar with but I'm sure students are. It's been rumored and reported this morning by people at the party and people claiming to "know" people who were at the party. The rumor is that the fight, and stabbing at the party, was perpetrated by "townies," non-SU students. South State and South Salina neighborhoods have been mentioned. I've heard personally from friends in the area who are not students, and people who were students. the uneasy relationship that sometimes results from the non-student population mingling with the student population at parties, particularly on campus where this incident occurred. I'm interested to see what a lot of you on here have to say about it.
Of course, I'll add that the Syracuse.com report makes no mention of anyone being arrested or of someone being arrested. Information is lacking at the moment, but we'll probably be hearing all about it over the afternoon. I hope assumptions and accusations aren't hurled, but that's the way this looks to be heading. Of course, there will be comments on how being at a party invited this to happen. To those people, I will say it didn't. When you are at a college party, you have a reasonable expectation that for the most part you will be surrounded by other college students, and the risk factor will be low. No report on drugs or alcohol has been made, and probably will not be made in light of the more serious events that occurred.
We all simply must hope that PTG will be AOK.
EDIT, 12:00PM: Of course, this is going to have a very big effect on the team. However, it seems it will be very big on Jerome Smith and Dyshawn Davis, who appeared to have been at the party. Jerome Smith's tweets paint the tale of the night. Luckily his last one provides a bit of optimism.
Me and @RomeSmith45 get tatted up right now. Live party tonight. Then home we go!!! Aye!!! we out this bitch cuz Lego!
Gotta leave but my dog hurting
Life is too short ... I just gotta turn a dolla into a million
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Not a great start to Fan Post Friday.
Hope PTG is OK.
My store is 5 minutes away from south campus. Shit, I just saw one of our O-linemen a few days ago.
I deal with, probably, a large contingent of young folks that could have been involved in this. My eyes and ears will be wide open. People dumb enough to do this are usually dumb enough to brag.
Born in '87, Orange fan since '86
He also said we are so blessed to have him with us
This keeps sounding more and more serious, albeit we keep hearing that it’s not life threatening.
"Oh so if he's not Muslim he just gets a pass? That's called profiling mother and I don't do it!" - Sterling Mallory Archer
by Nick Petrilli on Jul 29, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Philip Thomas just basically said that same thing too. Close call, then?
I mean, if it was in the back, sounds like they probably missed his lungs, which is a good thing.
Born in '87, Orange fan since '86
by StealthTurkey on Jul 29, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Ive seen some "townies"
start fights at Syracuse parties before on both South and Clarendon. One fight my freshman year two people got in a fight with one kid wielding a broken bottle. They both got kicked out, but got their friends and came back. It was two groups of twonies, but students decided to get involved. It got really big. Like that last sequence in The Outsiders. Townies vs Townies vs Students with some kids wielding brass knuckles. Then the cops showed up and just started cracking skulls. No one was arrested and nothing got reported. Everyone was chased off. People who were hurt didnt go to the hospital because they didnt want to get caught. This stuff happens a lot more than people even realize but never makes to to syracuse.com.
I knew a few kids with criminal records just from friends of friends and there is some serious resentment. They see SU students as rich over privileged people who come into the city, use it and dont give anything back. They dont seem to have the same problems with LeMoyne kids as they are mostly from the area.
May Doug Marrone bless you and keep you.
I kinda can see why it happens
I grew up in Binghamton, had relatives in Syracuse, so grew up in that rust belt, sort of getting by type of upbringing. Everyone went to CC or a SUNY school. Then I moved to North Jersey for high school, and have met a few people who went to Syracuse from here or are going to Syracuse from here. Girl who graduated below me has the biggest house in town, went to Syracuse and had two Syracuse alums for parents, and is exactly the type of person a lot of friends from my hometown would have hated.
"Oh so if he's not Muslim he just gets a pass? That's called profiling mother and I don't do it!" - Sterling Mallory Archer
by Nick Petrilli on Jul 29, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
What part of his comment is ignorant? If it happened it happened.
"Oh so if he's not Muslim he just gets a pass? That's called profiling mother and I don't do it!" - Sterling Mallory Archer
by Nick Petrilli on Jul 29, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
My comment was that his statements made she or he sound ignorant.
Making blanket statements about an entire population of people based on a couple fights he or she may have seen, or better yet heard from a friend of a friend, and making statements of the mental thought processes of those people based on those “facts”, in my opinion makes one sound ignorant. Do I doubt that people who live in Syracuse and do not attend the college sometimes have fights with people who do attend the college? No. Do I doubt that people who attend Syracuse instigate fights with “townies”? No. Do I believe that this is something that does not happen in any other college town, but is unique to Syracuse and Syracuse University? No.
I hear you
and please understand Im not talking about everyone in Syracuse. Im talking about the kids from the city of Syracuse who go to SU parties and start trouble. Amongst the SU student body they are called “townies.” Its not a white thing or a black thing because all of them have some other name they use inwardly, but to SU students the people from Syracuse who come to college parties, refuse to pay cover, start fights and stab people are “townies”. And I have personally met and hung out with kids from this background at my roommates brothers house. The attitude is these out of town kids have so much money and dont give a damn about the city. They buy tons of pot with no job, so why would they care if I steal their X Box? Their parents will replace it. Its your apartment, but its my city so why should I pay cover? Youre not from here." so there is a feeling of possessiveness and protecting their identity on some outsiders. Asserting themselves as if to say “hey we are still here.” And sometimes that resentment manifests itself as anger and leads to fights. Ive been involved in these fights.
Now is the guy working on Erie Blvd a thug/punk/townie whatever you want to call them? Probably not. Probably one of the nicest guys in the world. But hes not who the SU community has a problem with. Its the “townies” as described above. I hope that cleared things up.
May Doug Marrone bless you and keep you.
They are saying he is leaving the hospital now.
That’s a good sign, right?
Born in '87, Orange fan since '86
I Will NOT Add Gas To This Fire But...
I am a townie. I grew up in the Syracuse area and I bleed Orange. I never once walked around the campus and thought about how they were too good for me or resented them. Of course I know people who thought they were priviledged, heck I know some alumni who think that of other alumni as well. I can assure that much like any situation, there are good and bad people involved on both sides. I never went to SU but always had the upmost respect for the university and those who attended it who acted in a respectful manner. I can assure you that this is more than a townie/student issue. I have never and will never come on this site and disrespect the many alumni who visit (or help run this site) and I grew up in and still bleed Syracuse. Let us please move past this side of the debate and wait for further details because as we all know, this could have been as stupid as he looked at someone’s girl too long or could have been a fellow student even. As Jackie Moon used to say, “Love Everybody” :)
"I'm in a Syracuse State Of Mind"
http://www.syracusestateofmind.wordpress.com/
Even though I don't know many of you people (though I do know some)
in a strange way, I consider the posters and contributors to this site my “friends”, as we share a common passion, and sense of humor. If a friend of mine is doing something that makes he or she look not so positive, I will let them know. That is all I really intended.
In any event, I have great respect for the citizens of Syracuse, and for the students and faculty of the University.
In the end, I actually hope that PTG was not stabbed, and that if he was it was a very minor wound and that whomever did it is apprehended.
I think we're beyond the point of there being a chance he wasn't stabbed
But to the latter, he did get released an hour ago from what I’ve heard. So it sounds good.
"Oh so if he's not Muslim he just gets a pass? That's called profiling mother and I don't do it!" - Sterling Mallory Archer
by Nick Petrilli on Jul 29, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I doubt you're going to add gas to this fire
If you want gas, go to the syracuse.com comments for the stabbing story. I don’t think any of them realize its PTG and already the hate is flying. Generalized hate though.
"Oh so if he's not Muslim he just gets a pass? That's called profiling mother and I don't do it!" - Sterling Mallory Archer
by Nick Petrilli on Jul 29, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I read that too at syracuse.com
A lot of super-ignorant people posting over there. I can’t read those forums anymore, it just makes me too upset to hear people say the things that they do, knowing that under the cover of anonymity they don’t have to worry about being held accountable.
by Pinker on Jul 29, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I Love syracuse.com but...
I do wish sometimes they would moderate their comment section more. I am 100% for freedom of speech but I also think posting or allowing posting of incendiary comments only turns off people and distracts from the story.
"I'm in a Syracuse State Of Mind"
http://www.syracusestateofmind.wordpress.com/
by Orange Chuck on Jul 29, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
This!
Lived here my entire life, have seen and talked to many athletes, and I’ve never had a grudge or a resentment. Occasionally I am a bit regretful that I didn’t choose to go to Syracuse, but that is all on me and has nothing to do with the people that are currently there.
Don’t get me wrong though. There are a lot of ignorant people out there, and quite a few on the south side. Remember, I deal with people from all walks of life and I’m in this store 60 hours a week. I see the good and the bad on a daily basis. I’m not surprised somebody was stabbed, but I am surprised it was an SU athlete.
Born in '87, Orange fan since '86
by StealthTurkey on Jul 29, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
See what I said above
To the SU community, a townie is someone who doesnt go to SU, but goes to SU parties and causes trouble. Its not a blanked term for everyone in Syracuse trust me.
oh and for football players in the summer, there is no one else to party with. No one is on campus. So they end up hanging out with local girls which Im sure causes problems from time to time.
May Doug Marrone bless you and keep you.
Or someone said something about someone and someone else got mad about it
ala Deron Williams in Denver sort of thing, weird shit happens when you get any group of people from many backgrounds and add in booze.
abayarde- "All off the pain will vanish The Whagonblaster will return and with a new MOTOR and attitude even BIGGER AND stronger THE EYE of the Tiger , will knock our enemies to the next Galaxy , WE the BUffalo Nation DO not know defeat , We do not know Surrender , We only know that if we fall we get up stronger , faster, better WE have the Technology to BUILD IT"
Tanard Jackson was stabbed a few years back
And he ended up in the NFL. Hopefully the same goes for PTG.
I never have a problem with people who don’t go to SU. Most of the time I don’t even know if the person I am with is a student or not.The biggest nuisance I have seen with non-SU students are high school kids trying to get into parties.
Also here is the description DPS sent to in an e-mail.
Witnesses described the suspect as: Suspect #1: male, black, 5’11" to 6’ tall, dark skin, unknown age, short dreadlock style hair, with a pierced bottom lip, last seen wearing: a white V-neck shirt, shorts and a green baseball style hat on backwards.
Good to know.
Definitely will keep an eye out. FWD it to me? stealthturkey1@hotmail.com
Born in '87, Orange fan since '86
by StealthTurkey on Jul 29, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Whew... I was afraid it would be:
Suspect #1: male, possibly Brazilian, 6’11" to 7’1 tall, medium skin, silly mustache, unknown age, short hair, carrying a sharpened gear shifter….
Dictated, but not read.
by ezcuse on Jul 29, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Sick of the "townie" bullshit
Im a freakin townie. Ive lived here my whole life, and am proud of it. People and their stories of “townies” coming to parties purposely to start fights with the students is a joke. Consider the fact that, Lemoyne, SU, and other local college students as well as community college students are always mingled together on Marshall St, and in every party on campus every single night. People who are from here for the most part respect the University and enjoy it regardless of if they attend or not. If by “townie” you mean some A-Hole from the bad part of town; which every city in this Country has, then call it what it is.
I am personally going to start the petition to stop shaking keys on third downs in The Dome.
see my post above
Im not saying everyone. But to the SU community, they view a townie as the kids who go to college parties, but not to college, and cause trouble. Im sure many people from Syracuse who dont go to SU go there and are totally accepted and unnoticed… because they dont cause trouble.
May Doug Marrone bless you and keep you.
furthermore...
Im utterly disgusted that this debate was started with a “townie” vibe. If it were not for " townies", there would be 300 people total at all football and basketball games. The 300 people that would be at those games are there to be on TV, and don’t even know what sport is going on while they are there. That University needs " Townies". You can’t support everything by Alumnus donations alone.
I am personally going to start the petition to stop shaking keys on third downs in The Dome.
Let's be fair
The townies that we are talking about live at the bottom of the hill in the bricks. If it wasn’t for those townies then there would be no one outside the dome scalping tickets. Give it a break about the town normals who live here, it is the subsidized housing people who go out looking to rob and steal. It just inconvenient the bricks is a gun shot away from the varsity.
by CusebombJim on Jul 29, 2011 6:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Let's not go overboard
there were 4,000+ students who had Basketball season tickets last season, and the number for football is likely not THAT far off.
At the end of the day, there’s a clear difference in opinion in the definition of the word “townie.” No one has any problem with the resident of Syracuse who didn’t go to SU, it’s the people who have a particular disdain for the students or the mentality that SU students are overly privileged or whatnot that problems can occur.
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Also got to be careful of the Ft. Drum soldiers (cpl rape stories floated around when I was a student)
I think the moral of this story is anyone and everyone has the potential of being dangerous and you have to be careful. I went to a football party on South Campus my sophomore year and it was in a tiny apartment and it was super crowded. This might make me sound like an old lady, but whenever you have alcohol, small spaces, egos, testosterone and strangers mixed up, bad things will happen.
That being said, the most serious violence I heard about while I was on campus involved non-students attacking students off campus.
"We don't lose hat and t-shirt games" - Tedy Bruschi
If memory serves me correctly, ...
Dwight Freeney was stabbed in an off campus location during the summer. Crazy stuff goes in the heat of summer.
From PTG's Facebook
“evrybody im straight thanks for the prayers,….they all worked”
Born in '87, Orange fan since '86
That's great news
when I first this my first thought was of Jasper Howard. Thank God this was not a tragedy of those proportions.
Good luck and get healthy Prince.
NFGR
by bloodyyank44 on Jul 29, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Get well soon PTG
Having been to parties on south with and without athletes, my bet is that some kids wandered in to an end of summer party (kids heading home for a week off before camp\end of summer school) and there was booze and/or women invioved and that PTG being the speciman he is went to the forefront. It got out of control and bad things happened. I hope they find the s.o.b and lock him up. Its one thing to throw fists but to stab multiple times….lock him up.
Best wishes on a speedy recovery PTG.
Get well soon, man
Jesus, no one should get stabbed. WTF?
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
Did you ever hear the Nick Swardson bit
about being stabbed?
Without Gerry McNamara we wouldn't have won 10 f-- games, not 10
by PoetryInMoten on Jul 30, 2011 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions
No...
What’s the gist of it?
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
Let's get something straight....
These kids aren’t townies. This is the south side, the most violent part of the city. These are thugs that would just as well stab you as look at you and I can guarantee they didn’t give a damn whether PTG was a student, a fellow thug or a priest. To insinuate that this was a local kid looking for violence because they were jealous of a student is a joke. I am just happy they only had sharp objects and not guns.
My definition of townie is the guy in his 60’s who goes to Sutter’s Mill on a Friday night and just stares at the co-eds for just a second too long, making him a little creepy. I just hope not to be a townie at some point in my life. What? Sutter’s closed? When? Balls….
Then there are local fans like me – the only thing that I’ve ever said negatively about students is that they are only here for four years, in essence “borrowing” my team that I have loved my entire life. Although getting to know how big of fans you guys are on this site has changed that feeling immensely, so now I love you guys…..
Why the hell are kids partying in that part of town, anyway?
Back in the day, you’d oftentimes see Billy and Michael Owens and DC hangin out like normal people at 44’s, Buggsy’s, Bragg’s, Hungry Charlie’s and Sutter’s. I know there were fights back then, but mostly stupid college fist fights between drunk kids (students and locals alike) and the cops had a presence (and would walk their horses down the alley prompting you to cease and desist. Maybe we need to get back to looking the other way in letting some underage drinking happening….and I am only half kidding there…..
And yes, replied to myself because I am THAT bored and can’t sleep….
They live there
Slocum is athlete housing I believe.
"Oh so if he's not Muslim he just gets a pass? That's called profiling mother and I don't do it!" - Sterling Mallory Archer
by Nick Petrilli on Jul 30, 2011 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
It was my understanding
that this happened on south. During the summer there is no one there for the athletes to hang with so they invite girls from the mall or the clubs to come to parties and bbq’s. Their friends end up crashing. It happens all the time to football and basketball players.
May Doug Marrone bless you and keep you.
Hmmmm....After looking at a map, I guess I don't know south campus as well as I thought I did.....
If it wasn’t the Dome or bars on the hill I didn’t really hang there…..
And now I think I may have sounded ignorant…But at SUNY schools, our definition of townies differ greatly from the portrayal here…..Eh, whatever, I know it wasn’t pointed at me….But you gotta watch that Stealth Turkey dude…..
GWS PTG……
Hahahahaha
At least I hope it was supposed to be funny….
Born in '87, Orange fan since '86
by StealthTurkey on Jul 30, 2011 6:39 AM EDT up reply actions
People like semantics
Much easier to argue with the margins.
"Oh so if he's not Muslim he just gets a pass? That's called profiling mother and I don't do it!" - Sterling Mallory Archer
by Nick Petrilli on Jul 30, 2011 5:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Whether people want to call the perp a townie or not is one thing.
What is clear, especially to me and what I do for a living, is there are a lot of kids out here that think they are friggin Al Capone. I’ve had people want to fight me because I wouldn’t buy a screwdriver from them. I’m grateful nothing serious has ever happened, but I also let the “right” people know that I have a shotgun within arms reach. You have to maintain the “give respect, get respect” philosophy, even if you know the kid you’re shaking hands with is probably slime. That’s not to say I won’t kick a piece of shit out of my store, but you can’t always assume who a person is, you really have no idea how a person will react when a situation goes sour. It can be a bit precarious down on the south side. Add in alcohol, possibly women, and I believe a decent chance for one of these punks to be envious of a football player, and you have a very volatile environment.
Born in '87, Orange fan since '86
by StealthTurkey on Jul 30, 2011 6:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Well said
Also, good to know that you have a shotgun handy. You know…just in case, haha.
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
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