Syracuse Football: Season Ended Sooner For Some
Season-ending lower/upper body injuries and suspensions for mysterious reasons are things that Syracuse Orange football fans have gotten used to over the past few seasons. So why should that have been any different in the final game of the season?
#SHAMARKO Thomas and most of Phillip Thomas' season aside, the defensive secondary was a disaster this season. About the only hope we had to hold onto was that next year things would be better. Now Phil Thomas is gone for good and sophomore Keon Lyn ends the season on particularly bad terms after being sent home before the game due to "conduct detrimental to the team."
Of course, Marrone said nothing else, which I have to admit is started to get a little annoying.
On the injury front, senior Mikhail Marinovich sadly missed his final game in an orange uniform due to a sore back. Ironically, it was the first missed game of his four-year career. Shame.
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That explains why Lyn was tweeting as soon as the game was over.
I was wondering how he got to his phone so quick after the game ended… I guess that explains it.
Clear eyes, full bologna sandwiches!
Marrone needs to cut it with all of the cloak and dagger shit, regarding team discipline. Or maybe he needs to lighten the f up because he, by his decisions, is doing as much to hurt the team as the kids who make mistakes. Does he play favorites with his players or something? Team discipline seems inconsistent at best. Thoughts?
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
RESTORE 44!
by kotite4ever on Dec 5, 2011 9:12 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Its hard
because yes there maybe a discipline issue, but its also your job on the line. I think DC3 is the only time a player got sort of a pass, but he was essential to the 8 win season.
May Doug Marrone bless you and keep you.
Im 100% behind Marrone
I tend to think he makes very good decisions in deciding not to talk about players suspensions or other issues with the team. He doesn’t have to say anything, its an internal matter, and he has the privacy of the player to consider as well.
He is trying to run a clean program, and accountability and appropriate punishment for infractions are a HUGE part of that.
I thought that P.Thomas was one of his favorites
Oh, look at me! I'm making people happy. I'm the magical man from. Happyland in a gumdrop house on Lollipop Laaane! Oh, by the way, I was being sarcastic.
I think HCDM has been consistent
DC3 being the lone exception. What’s interesting about Lyn is that from what we can tell, he’s not been dismissed from the team, so HCDM really can’t hide behind the “no comment about players no longer with team” line. So Doug is deliberately choosing not to enlighten anyone about what actually happened.
Same with P. Thomas. He’s suspended for a year, but not officially “no longer with the program”. Kind of a grey area. He’s not officially done with the program until he decides to transfer or take a shot at the NFL.
So in these cases it appears Doug is taking the same approach as they were officially kicked off the team, even though it appears they were not. It’s particularly annoying to me because these are HIS players, not Gerg’s holdovers. Whatever they did, I’d sure as hell like to know and I’d like Doug address what the problem is. I didn’t mind the secrecy when it was one of Gerg’s, because we all knew there was going to be a ton of turnover, and I always assumed they were a bunch of turds that weren’t going to contribute anyway. Lyn and Thomas were/are definitely players.
BEAT PITT
by bloodyyank44 on Dec 5, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Stuff student athletes do
can be really dumb. Im not saying it was the case here, but I have heard stories from other programs of things like getting caught with booze, fighting with a teammate or having your gf visit you in the team hotel. If the reason were something along those lines it would make HCDM have even more egg on his face and we would all be sitting here talking about how he has lost the program.
May Doug Marrone bless you and keep you.
I'm not sure he plays favorites, but
I do think either he is unable to judge some of the game-day abilities of his players or he’s very slow to substitute\replace upper classmen. Last year, he never let Sales into games, claiming he wasn’t showing what he expected from him in practice. When they were finally forced to play him toward the end of the season, and he excelled, Hackett commented: “why didn’t you do that in practice?” Anyone who has ever coached knows that certain players are “gamers” and although they might not look like much in practice, they step it up when game-time comes around. AND, there are players who look great in practice but can’t produce during game situations. There is also Marrone’s inability (refusal?) to bring in obviously better players when his senior starters aren’t getting the job done. Perfect example is Jerome Smith… this guy is fantastic running between the tackles, much better than Bailey. Yet, he got almost zero playing time, even though he picked up 5-6 yds every time he touched the ball. Marrone stubbornly stuck with Nassib and Bailey when every coach in the conference was willing to play any player that MIGHT help the team to win. I mean, what would it have taken to design a package for Loeb or Kinder to run so we could at least throw a “change up” and possibly confuse the other teams defense. I think Marrone’s inflexibility and narrow-mindedness caused the team to lose faith in him and may have caused the players to look undisciplined and MAY be the main reason for the 5 game slide.
Hold on
So you want a coach to put a player (Sales) who consistently underperforms in practice into a game time situation on the off chance that that is the catalyst for better performance? Im not sure I would agree with you there.
Also, cmon – be real. Jerome Smith had one semi-decent game against Pitt. There are no stats to back anything up, and remove one good play, and his numbers are pretty laughable- although I do really hope he has a breakout year next year with AAM and PT Gulley. Lets keep in mind about 60% of his stats came from the Pitt game.
Lets look at J Smiths Stats for 2011
Year Carries Yards Avg. TD Long
2011 27 83 2.9 0 11
Those stats are outdated
My apologies. Shame on me for using the SUAthletics web site already. here is a link to his stats.
only records of note, 34 yards against WVU and 58 yards against Pitt. Same as ATrain almost.
http://www.cfbstats.com/2011/player/688/1034037/allpurpose/gamelog.html
true, but you have to consider this...
each time he came in (not very often, so there was no chance for him to get “warmed up”), he would gain fairly good yardage. Then, they would run the same exact play and he would get stopped at the line!! so, now, that 5 yd gain he had on the first play becomes an average of 2.5 yds with 2 carries. I think he is a victim of poor game management and only did well at Pitt because he was given enough plays to improve his average. And, yes, you at least give Sales a try in a game even if he’s not fulfilling your expectations in practice. You gotta try everything!!
How can we get better recruiting if...
the recruits realize they make a small mistake and there is a chance they are out for the year. By not saying why people are disciplined, recruits might think if they come here they are gonna get kicked off the team easily. Also Marrone is seen as a coach who puts discipline before winning, and for most recruits winning is everything.
Recruits know
all they have to do is ask their host on their visit.
May Doug Marrone bless you and keep you.
the carrier dome box office called-
They asked me why I did not renew my season tickets. I told them that I get excited for the season and then players are removed from the team as the season goes on. I never find out why? Until I do, you’ll never find out why I stopped going.
Side note- I buy them a la carte instead of seasons.
I May Be In The Minority Here But
I want to win but I don’t need to know what the students did to get punished. That is between Marrone and the players. Sure, I would love to see the players on the field but sometimes we face consequences for our actions. I don’t know what Thomas was accused of to get him a year suspension and frankly don’t care, you do with what you can and hope for the best. I have heard rumors surrounding the lockerroom atmosphere this season more than most and I would be much happier if I didn’t have to hear it but maybe house needed to be cleaned out. Once Marrone just lets them play with no consequences, he will lose control and I can’t see him doing that. Maybe if some of the players, who I am sure know Marrone’s rules and policies by now, followed his rules and were better leaders, we would not have the issues we have now.
"I'm in a Syracuse State Of Mind"
http://www.syracusestateofmind.wordpress.com/
if feel as if
I were a player I would respect the fact that he keeps these matters private. I’m sure their parents and families do as well. In today’s “instant information” age it’s so difficult for a mistake to stay under wraps, and I bet that can get pretty embarrassing for these young adults. I know as fans we want answers, however we have to assume HCDM is always looking out for the best interest of his players (friendliest coach, remember?). I’m sure the players probably feel bad enough with Big Bad Dougie coming down on them; at least he’s sparing them from critics of our town (i.e cuse.com trolls, peers on campus, etc.).
Just like Crazy Otto...
Who benefits really from that information?
Lets be honest, its the media who does. Not the players, or the coaches, or the team, or the university, but the media.
Lets just be honest about that. You, me, or the media knowing doesn’t really benefit Doug or the program, so I can completely understand why he doesn’t choose to share it, nor should I feel that he has to. I think any argument against other than that is tainted with a bit of bias.
Agreed
I remember back to my college days (before I flunked out and joined the Army) and let me tell you, had some of the stuff I did been big news, I would have been pissed and my parents too (I was paying my own way but still embarassing). We all try things or do silly things at this age but as long as nobody is hurt or these are not criminal actions, this is not our business. It is amazing what happens when you add one plastic red cup + a keg of coors light + 19-20 year olds…ah, the memories.
"I'm in a Syracuse State Of Mind"
http://www.syracusestateofmind.wordpress.com/

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