Me First and the Gimmie Gimmies: Is This an Aberration or Some Kind of Awesome Reality?
I wasn't a Newhouse kid when I was at Syracuse, so I don't know if they have a class entitled "NEW 316: Hammering Home Talking Points Until it Makes the Audience Vomit: How You Can Recycle One Nugget of Non-Contextual Nonsense Until the Context is Discovered to be Nausea." So, if that class does exist, my deepest apologies for what follows.
This whole "Syracuse leads the nation in steals per game or something or other" is rapidly approaching "Andy is Leo's Son!" and "Did you know that Tim Welsh once worked for Jim Boeheim?" territory. That's fine and all (even if it is based on the rapidly decreased value attributed to tempo-included statistics); I like the fact that Syracuse is taking the ball away from opponents as punishment for, presumably, being smug enough to think that they have some divine right to possessing the basketball that isn't eroded by the Dion Waiters Doctrine ("What mine is mine and what yours is mine").
What makes me shake my fist at the television in a mildly-intoxicated state is that not only is Syracuse erasing opponent offensive possession opportunities via the turnover at a high rate, the Orange is doing it at a rate that is crazy even under Boeheim standards. When you combine this with the fact that Syracuse is maintaining possession of the bean at a rate that is even high for Boeheim-led clubs, you start to see the brushstrokes that have composed Syracuse's work of art thus far this season.
Don't believe me? Well, look at this chart I made illustrating Syracuse's offensive and defensive turnover rates over the last decade of hoops. We'll discuss it a little more after the jump.
| YEAR | OFF. TO% | DEF. TO% |
| 2012 | 16.3 (9) | 28.1 (4) |
| 2011 | 18.6 (84) | 21.3 (94) |
| 2010 | 21.5 (235) | 22.0 (71) |
| 2009 | 20.6 (192) | 18.8 (270) |
| 2008 | 21.6 (213) | 19.8 (229) |
| 2007 | 20.8 (142) | 19.8 (241) |
| 2006 | 21.2 (159) | 22.1 (103) |
| 2005 | 20.0 (93) | 21.4 (147) |
| 2004 | 18.1 (17) | 19.6 (255) |
| 2003 | 19.4 (48) | 20.4 (221) |
The number is parentheses is Syracuse's national rank.
Here are some thoughts (feel free to add your own in the comments; gratuitous pictures of angry pandas will automatically be green-lit):
- I fully expect Syracuse to come back to the pack a little bit, and not because of the resume Boeheim has put together relative to his team's historic turnover percentage performance. The schedule picks up starting tonight and with that you have all kinds of factors in play: Teams have seen the zone in the past (although you can make a really good argument that Boeheim's zone has a different kind of feel to it in 2011-2012 (just like every year)); the Orange are going to run into a bunch of teams that do a better job of possessing the bean (including Seton Hall); injuries. You get the picture. Right now, though, Syracuse is going after the ball unlike it has over the last 10 years.
- So, who's driving all of this? Dion Waiters (duh) is the primary catalyst: He's fifth-nationally in steal percentage. What is really scary, though, is that it's just not Waiters driving the bus: Scoop Jardine is 18th in the country in the same metric, Brandon Triche is in the top 300, and Instragram Impresario James Southerland is 20th in all of the land (!!!). When you also realize that Syracuse is doing an awesome job at keeping teams on the perimeter -- only about 30 teams see their opponents take more attempts from three-point territory -- the ability of Syracuse's guards and wings to step forward with pressure and into the lanes to deny offensive possession opportunities is downright scary. Also, this is the kind of stuff that keeps Fab Melo, Baye Keita, and Rakeem Christmas (when he isn't making sure everyone on the bench is in their right seats) out of foul trouble. Sexy.
- A quick word on Syracuse's ability to possess the ball: Jardine is not helping. His individual turnover rate -- 23.3 -- is second worst on the squad (behind only Christmas). That's . . . that's not good. In fact, it's his worst performance since his freshman campaign in 2008. Jardine means a lot to the Orange -- his assist rate is through the roof, he stays out of foul trouble, his defense has been a great benefit, he's the unquestioned leader in the locker room and at the microphone -- but he has to be better with the bean. That assist rate means nothing if it's qualified with him chucking the ball all over the barn. Other than Jardine, though, Syracuse has four guys in the top-400 in individual turnover percentage with Kris Joseph (49th) and James Southerland (9th) leading the way. Pretty nice to see two frontcourt guys not give away opportunities.
- John Thompson once smacked a child in the mouth for not addressing him as "Your Holiness."
- If Carter-Williams continues to figure out this whole "Division I basketball" thing, there is a strong-ish possibility that Syracuse will not dramatically fall back to the pack as conference play picks up. At 6-5, the guy has generated a steal percentage of 4.3. Just one more piece to the puzzle that has made Syracuse's zone so freakishly impossible to deal with this year.
I guess the major takeaway from all this is this: This Syracuse team is doing stuff that squads under Boeheim haven't really approached in recent years -- both offensively and defensively.
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This panda is awaiting Georgetown's return to China

by zibby on Dec 28, 2011 2:52 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
My favorite time of year I think......when Glaude get's all statistical. Makes it all real.

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by StealthTurkey on Dec 28, 2011 3:12 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Green that ish
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No more Angry Panda pics please
They can only go downhill from this.
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by theNYsportsguy on Dec 28, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
I just checked the Urban Dictionary..."Angry Panda" has a very enlightening definition....
Oh, look at me! I'm making people happy. I'm the magical man from. Happyland in a gumdrop house on Lollipop Laaane! Oh, by the way, I was being sarcastic.
Not sure if that's a PETA issue or not.
Why aren’t Jelly Donuts good enough for people these days?
by Hoya Suxa on Dec 28, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You MUST be either married,
or single.
Bahahahhaha!
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by StealthTurkey on Dec 28, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Urban dictionary
My curiosity got the best of me, so I went there. Amusing but sick
So youre saying is
there is a correlation between steals and opponents turn overs? And this year we are good at it? Thats about the statistical equivalent of “Not only is Andy Leo’s son (because that horse has been beat to death) but he is also his coach on the Canadian national team and they have matching tattoos, a rarity even by Boeheim standards.”
May Doug Marrone bless you and keep you.
I always laugh like a madman when I see this.
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by StealthTurkey on Dec 28, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
JAHAHAHAHAHA!
I laughed like a madman despite never having seen it oddly. What is it? What does it mean? Where is the deeper meaning in this frog-actor interaction?
Pretty sure ryanwk628 has posted it half a dozen times.
“mm hm? mm hm.”
Other than that, I no idea.
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by StealthTurkey on Dec 28, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe I just looked at it alot
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by StealthTurkey on Dec 29, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Nah. Not exactly the point.
More that Syracuse is swiping the bean at a rate that we haven’t seen in at least 10 years. This hasn’t been a hallmark of Boeheim teams in recent years. And I’d be surprised if Syracuse keeps this up with the impending Big East schedule on the horizon.
Even I’m not lazy enough to fill Internet real estate with steals = turnovers.
I'm even more impressed
with the offensive TO percentage. It’s completely out of character for a Cuse squad. Here’s hoping it doesn’t slide too badly during conference play.
If I can be serious for a minute
I would be Interested in a breakdown on points off of steals. Steals as a quantity is nice, but dont tell the whole story. The book Scorecasting has a nice breakdown on blocked shots and how sometimes it’s a deceiving number.
by Erie Blvd of Dreams on Dec 28, 2011 6:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions
This goes both ways
the ability of Syracuse’s guards and wings to step forward with pressure and into the lanes to deny offensive possession opportunities is downright scary. Also, this is the kind of stuff that keeps Fab Melo, Baye Keita, and Rakeem Christmas (when he isn’t making sure everyone on the bench is in their right seats) out of foul trouble.
Getting steals on the perimeter keeps the bigs out of foul trouble, but having an eraser like Fab at the rim allows the perimeter defenders to be more agressive going for those steals. It’s like a perfect defensive yin and yang.
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