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Syracuse vs. Seton Hall: Pirates Of The Ca-RPI-bbean

ESPN asked the question last week, "When will No. 1 Syracuse lose their first game?" Aside from the usual Dana O'Neill answer ("their next one"), most people looked well past the non-conference schedule and about three or four games into the Big East slate before a loss even looked possible.

Like most people, they overlooked Seton Hall. And I suggest Syracuse Orange fans don't make the same mistake.

Seton Hall may or may not be ranked when the polls come out today. Probably not. And if they're not, that says more about the laziness of the voters than the quality of the Pirates. Not only is Seton Hall 11-1 on the year so far but they're also No. 8 in the Real Time RPI with a SOS of 38.

For perspective, Ohio State is No. 21 in the RPI with a SOS of 105. Seth Davis certainly has it right... (And yes, if you're wondering, Syracuse is the No. 1 RPI team in the land with a SOS of 5).

Their schedule isn't littered with any ranked teams but they have played a lot of decent names. They have a lot of quality wins over teams such as VCU, Dayton, St. Joseph's, Wake Forest & Auburn. Their lone loss came at the hands of a 10-2 Northwestern squad.

Gone is shootologist Jeremy Hazell and his 47 attempts per game. This is Herb Pope's team now. Pope is averaging 20.3 PPG and 11.5 RPG. For as much as Fab Melo and the Rakeem Christmas/Baye Moussa Keita duality have contained many frontcourts this season, they haven't seen a test like this yet.

Plus, if Syracuse has a weakness, it's rebounding. We're ninth in the Big East right now and the prospect of Pope and the Pirates dominating the boards will hopefully motivate a change.

Pope's had two rough outings in a row (14 points and 8 points) but before that he was regularly throwing down 25+ a night, including a 32-point effort in the N'western loss.

Meanwhile, guard Jordan Theodore (15.8 PPG) and guard-forward Fuquan Edwin (14.0) aren't to be forgotten. Both have been known to take some shots from three-point range and we all know how much The Hall loves to do that against us.Theodore is coming off a career-high 26-point performance as well.

One thing that could work in Syracuse's favor? If our fans do plenty of talking about Mama and Grandmama Theodore:

"Home games are always easier because you’re playing in front of your fans — they’ve got our pictures up, our faces," Theodore said. "But you go on the road, then they’re talking about your mother, talking about your grandmother. They’re saying all types of things just to get you down and take you out of your rhythm. It’s fun."

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It's also a good idea to keep an eye on Aaron Crosby, who averages 7.8 PPG but usually takes 4-5 three-pointers a game, which means he'll take about 20 against us.

If the Pirates' starters can't get anything going against us, don't expect too much production out of their bench.

Meanwhile, the Orange upperclassmen have put their Big East gamefaces on. Kris Joseph said, "It's Big East Time now" and that means the 13-0 start and No. 1 ranking are nice, but they officially mean d**k.

"The leaders have to make sure we’re ready for that big jump,’’ Joseph said. "Practices have to get picked up a notch. The intensity. Everything.’’

Syracuse has gotten here by playing their style of basketball, using a team-first approach and playing solid defense. Not only do they need to keep that up but it's time to fine-tune that defense, find new avenues of scoring on offense and tighten up the rotation. It only gets that much harder from here on out.

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I hope I'm wrong...

But, I am on record saying Seton Hall would knock off Syracuse.

http://1160espn.com/includes/news_items/6/4781/suup.mp3

Get busy living or get busy dying.

by Jared E. Smith on Dec 26, 2011 10:41 AM EST reply actions  

i can see what you getting at

a lot of SU fans do this act like the teams going to perform badly and so you your hopes arent high and it wont hurt if they lose. But lets face it SU should and will win this one. for this game if SU doesnt win by double digits it will be an upset. People state the rebounding will be su’s weakness in this game but check the stats, seton hall is doing worst then SU in that dept as a team. Also SU’s rebounding #‘s appear way worst then they really are, check the stats of the rebounding margin before SU goes up 20 points, huge blow outs and walkons are hurting theyre rebounding stats but its happening after the game was already decided. Although that does bring up one weakness I think SU has, during blowouts they tend to get to relaxed and just cruise and i dont think they can get away with that in the big east (these 19 point games would have been 40 with 100% effort whole game) It may be strategy to rest players but it needs to be fixed. Anyways SHU may look like they have quality victorys but if you dig a little deeper not so much, they beat vcu and st joes when those teams were playing horrible at the start of the season, dayton who hasnt beatn anyone, and wake forest whos prolly the worst in a down acc, all those wins were by pretty narrow margins, i get you may be trying to talk this team up to make SU’s win look more impressive but a team who shoots about 25% from 3 without hazel, i dont see SHU winning this one it could be closer then iim thinking but SU has too many weapons to go down in this one

by kevin66l on Dec 26, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

did you see SHU whooping SU last year?

SHU was a 14-point dog and won 90-68 in the dome last season.

This SHU team is better than last year.

Good luck tomorrow.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/26/sports/ncaabasketball/26hoops.html

by PickEmChamp on Dec 27, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I've been looking at this game as a tough test for a couple weeks now

Seton Hall could very easily be the 5th or 6th best team in the conference. They’re pretty damn good, and we all remember what happened last time they came up to the Dome. Hopefully that game serves as motivation.

WTF were they doing playing at Longwood though?

by cuse2012 on Dec 26, 2011 11:05 AM EST reply actions  

Longwood

Team was desperate with scheduling before last season and had to settle for a H-A-H with Longwood.

Chris McManus | Recruiting Analyst for Rivals' PirateCrew.com

by BracketManSHU on Dec 26, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

We have a few revenge games coming up

but they will be no push overs. We need to get back SH for the loss last year and the same with Marquette for the NCAA game. (I am surprised no writers have mentioned that when saying we maybe upset in that game)

I don’t expect us getting alot of transition bucks in this game. SH is very good with protecting the ball this year. The only good thing is that they are middling offensive rebounding team, which should help end the positions.

The best way to beat them will be through points in the paint. Hopefully we can get some good cuts through the paint and Melo will have a nice 15 point game.

by Gregory Tuers on Dec 26, 2011 11:16 AM EST reply actions  

They have a lot of quality wins over teams such as VCU, Dayton, St. Joseph’s, Wake Forest & Auburn

These are all average wins over decent mid majors and some really bad power conference teams. Auburn has beaten no one of note, and got killed by LBSU and UTEP. Wake has once again, played no one, and lost to Dayton, Richmond, and Arizona State. Hardly a murderer’s row. Herb Pope scares me, but he’ll get his and we’ll shut down everyone else.

by noro on Dec 26, 2011 12:15 PM EST reply actions  

A passing pirate fan says what.

Oh! You better watch out,
You better not cry,
You better not pout,
I’m telling you why:
Herb Pope is coming to town!

He sees you when you’re off game,
He knows when you cant rebound.
He knows if you’ve been bad or good,
So something something Hazell last year!

Oh! You better watch out,
You better not cry,
You better not pout,
I’m telling you why:
Herb pope… is coming to town.

Anyway, best of luck to the riders of the cuise train, but this year that #1 ranking is going have a 13-1 run for its money.

by GoPirate on Dec 26, 2011 9:54 PM EST reply actions  

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