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The Boeheimeter - Syracuse is Bad Company

We were only graced with one Syracuse basketball game this past week, but what a game it was. It may sound strange, but Syracuse actually left the cozy confines of New York state for the first time since 1946, and travelled all the way down to North Carolina to face off against NC State. The Orange were initially startled by the sight of basketball being played in such distant lands, but quickly rebounded, and returned home with a 'W'.

It appears that the Boeheimeter was quite pleased with what it saw from the Orange on Saturday evening. Let's take a look:

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PG Scoop Jardine - 16 Pts, 7-9 FG, 2-4 3PT, 3 Ast, 4 TO, 4 Reb, 1 Stl

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The only certifiable "bad Scoop" play I can think of was a pass across court in the direction of no one in particular, which sailed out of bounds. Otherwise, Scoop played a pretty nice game. He shot the ball very efficiently, he rebounded well, and he knew when to attack the basket, and when to defer to the hot hands of Dion Waiters and Kris Joseph. You never like to see the turnovers be higher than the assists, but Scoop played a very good game.

SG Brandon Triche - 1 Pt, 0-3 FG, 0-2 3PT, 4 Ast, 1 TO, 1 Reb, 2 Stl

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Apparently Brandon is nursing an injury, which leads the Boeheimeter to be a little easier on him for a poor game, but obviously you want your starting shooting guard to score more than one point. Luckily, Dion was on fire all day, so we could afford for Brandon to have a bad night. The one good sign was the 4-1 assist-to-turnover statistic.

SF Kris Joseph - 21 Pts, 7-14 FG, 3-6 3PT, 5 Reb, 1 Blk

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Kris' statline in and of itself was very impressive, but it is the manner in which he scored many of his 21 points that makes the Boeheimeter so happy. Kris was often a catalyst in both ending NC State runs, as well as starting Syracuse runs, and we didn't see a lot of the over-dribbling that plagues Kris quite often. He was decisive with the ball, and he made great decisions.

PF Rakeem Christmas - 2,000,000,000,000

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Rakeem's day will come...just not right now.

C Fab Melo - 4 Pts, 2-5 FG, 1 TO, 5 Reb

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This wasn't Fab's best game statistically, but the difference in the defense when he was in versus when Baye was manning the five spot was quite noticeable. Fab might not put up monster numbers, but his presence is definitely a factor, at least on the defensive end. I can't wait to see some of those jumpers fall on a consistent basis; it's going to happen.

G Dion Waiters - 22 Pts, 9-14 FG, 3-6 3PT, 3 Ast, 2 TO, 1 Reb, 1 Blk, 1 Stl

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This is Dion's world, and we're all just watching him retweet it. Not much needs to be added about what Dion did on Saturday. We're watching a superstar in the making.

F C.J. Fair - 11 Pts, 5-9 FG, 0-1 3PT, 3 Reb

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CJ's been struggling on the boards as of late, which is strange for him, but he hit a number of big shots and put backs for Syracuse on Saturday, especially when NC State came all the way back in the beginning of the second half to make it a game again.

F James Southerland - 11 Pts, 4-7 FG, 3-6 3PT, 3 Reb, 1 Stl

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On Saturday, James displayed a confidence that we haven't really seen from him aside from a few games against division II opponents and out of conference also-rans. The best part of watching him score, was that not all of his looks were wide open. If I remember correctly, two of the three three-pointers he hit were with a hand in his face. If he's shooting that well, very few teams can beat us.

C Baye Keita - 2 Pts, 1-1 FG, 2 Reb, 2 Blk

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Baye's definitely slumping. It's unfortunate, but we're just not getting the production out of him that we did last year. He was a tremendous rebounder, and now he really hasn't done much on the boards all season. He blocks shots well, and he converts most of the time when he looks to score, but we need Baye to rebound and give us energy, and the team just doesn't play that well when he's out there instead of Fab.

G Michael Carter-Williams - 0/2 FT

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This just wasn't a game where MCW was going to have a big impact, so he will just get the requisite "meh" score here. I liked him driving to the hoop and drawing the foul, I hated watching him completely brick two free throws. I still love the potential that he brings, but when Dion and Scoop are playing so well together, it is hard to give him minutes against a legitimate opponent.

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Great Work Dan

I always enjoy reading your contributions and appreciate your sense of humor, and randomly saying hi to you on Marshall Street on gameday.

by Pinker on Dec 19, 2011 2:03 PM EST reply actions  

Walk-ons for the Depaul/Providence game

Do you think we should start our walkons for the Depaul or Providence game to at least make a game of it and give them a fighting chance?

by Pinker on Dec 19, 2011 2:05 PM EST reply actions  

Yes

They shall be called “Dirty Mook and the Boys”

by Dan Lyons on Dec 19, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

“We will outscore your starters in the last four minutes. That will happen again!”

by Dan Lyons on Dec 19, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Hell no

Both those teams have given us scares in the past, Depaul has several times.

by fatmofo55 on Dec 19, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I recall our most recent best team

Andy/Wes/AO trailing Depaul the entire time in 2010, only to win in the last 2 minutes. I think it was stated almost all of our starters had a bad head cold for that game, yet we still won haha.

I was definitely joking about starting walkons, of course it would be illogical, but I have this feeling that even AFTER our bench some of our walkons could start at Depaul or Providence.

by Pinker on Dec 19, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I almost vomited during that DePaul game

One of the most nerve-wrecking Syracuse games in years.

It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.

by Girardi Party on Dec 19, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

MCW

Did not post 2 trillion. He was 0-2 on FT, a standard stat on any box score. But your point is taken. He got a chance and made nothing of it (though the move to the basket was a nice one).

And RE: Scoop’s Ast/TO ratio. When a player has the ball in his hands as much as Antonio does, I’m going to assume 2 TO every night. It’s just going to happen. A missed read, a fumbled pass, a 7 footer not being able to climb the ladder and snag the lob. That’s just my personal take, but within those parameters, 4 TO isn’t that bad. And in regards to his ast/TO ratio, yeah you want at least 1:1 and 2:1 is ideal for a PG. But the team only had 10 total dimes. Only Antonio, Dion and Triche registered an assist. So, in this particular game, the stats don’t tell the whole truth.

"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes

by FeloniousPhunk on Dec 19, 2011 2:18 PM EST reply actions  

Agree with the point that turnovers ARE going to happen

but I didn’t think Scoop’s alley-oop pass to Fab was that great. I didn’t mind the play, even at that point in the game, because Fab was open, but I felt like that one was on Scoop.

It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.

by Girardi Party on Dec 19, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

It's hard to say

The play was there and it wasn’t a bad one. It was one of those, “If it works it’s great, if not, it’s terrible” plays. The pass might have been a little off. But, then again, I’ve seen Fab go up and get ones higher than that. So, all things considered, I wouldn’t call it a Scoopid turn.

"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes

by FeloniousPhunk on Dec 19, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

What is the Triche injury?

First time I have heard of it, but that would explain his bad night….

by Gregory Tuers on Dec 19, 2011 2:27 PM EST reply actions  

this is the best bit ever

I foresee the Boeheimeter staying around a long time.

by mrbaskums on Dec 19, 2011 2:41 PM EST reply actions  

rec'd

I feel like this is going to be a really fun column throughout basketball season.

Shut up brain or I'll stab you with a Q-tip

by MrPlow99 on Dec 19, 2011 2:45 PM EST reply actions  

I hate to be

the guy who gets the first “you dont know your business” boehiem. Odds are its Scoop. But a 5th year senior may not get that kind of look this late in his career. If Scoop was a soph, he is odds on favorite. I’m sure vegas will have lines on this by tomorrow.

by Mike Will is DoubleDown on Dec 19, 2011 2:59 PM EST reply actions  

Honestly

I’m gonna go with Dion for the first YDKYB. He’s playing great, no doubt. But there’s going to be at least one point this season where he’s going to be feeling himself a little too much and go something like 3-20 with 1 ast and 5 TO. Hopefully it just won’t cost them a game when it happens.

"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes

by FeloniousPhunk on Dec 19, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

No a bad choice

I might go with Fab. I can also see a game where he throws a pass over the backboard then commits 3 fouls in 30 seconds and doesnt play a whole lot. Earning the first YDKTB Boehiem.

by Mike Will is DoubleDown on Dec 19, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Ooops

suppose to be “not a bad choice”

by Mike Will is DoubleDown on Dec 19, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree with the assessment of BMK as of late

but the one caveat I’d add is that when they press, they are a LOT better off with him in the game rather than Fab. Of course, they didn’t press Saturday so it’s a non-issue for this game, but at very least, Baye will have that important role for this team. Would love to see him pick it up in the half-court set though.

It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.

by Girardi Party on Dec 19, 2011 3:19 PM EST reply actions  

Im glad we have Baye

How many years have we cringed when the backup for our center goes out hurt or in foul trouble?

Dashonte Riley comes to mind most recently.

With Baye, we are getting a little less offensive production but D doesnt seem to drop off much at all.

by Pinker on Dec 19, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Really

the only thing you give up on offense is that little turn around and the foul line jumper, neither of which Fab gets to shoot much anyway. Most of his production is off of O-Rebs, dump offs and lobs. I’ll agree that, in theory, Fab is a more polished (if you can call it that) offensive player than BMK, by far. But in live action, if they dump the ball down into the post on purpose 3 times a game, that’s a lot. And even as much as Fab has improved, it’s hard to justify going there more. I think we’ll see more of it as time goes on, but now isn’t that time.

I will say this, though. Rak has obviously been struggling, but he has the most polished (again, I use the term loosely) post moves out of the three of them. Assuming Fab continues to improve and the game slows down for Rak next year like it has for Fab this year, Syracuse’s front line will be the best in the country next season, bar none. And that’s not even considering BMK, CJ and DC 2.0. Imagine Fab at the 5, Rak at the 4 and CJ playing the 3 next season, with BMK and DC coming off the bench. Domination.

"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes

by FeloniousPhunk on Dec 19, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Brandon Triche

I’m going to go out on a limb here after rewatching part of the game and say he wasn’t nearly as bad as he was a) unable to hit good shots and b) quiet on the stat sheet. He was actually pretty instrumental in that 23-0 first half run. He pretty regularly put the ball in the right place. His assist/turnover ratio was excellent — I think he has as many or more assists than Scoop. Also, consider he was only credited with one steal, which was clearly the one in the second half, but he had that pass tip to Dion. I think he was only credited with one rebound, but he had one tip off a miss to CJ during that run, where CJ dunked it. I’m pretty sure he took a charge during the run. Yeah, he couldn’t hit a jumper to save his life, but to say he had a straight up bad game would be misleading.

If you're going to be stupid, you're going to have to be tough

by FatK44 on Dec 19, 2011 3:40 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Oh hai Dan, the stats you got said Triche had two steals. You’re right, ESPN box score was wrong.

If you're going to be stupid, you're going to have to be tough

by FatK44 on Dec 19, 2011 3:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Triche had 4 ast

Scoop had 4. Dion had 4…and that was it for Orange assists. Triche also had a couple of nice steals. Aside from those, though, I honestly don’t recall enough of him in the game to say if he played poorly or not. The great thing about this team is that they don’t NEED any one person to always be on.

"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes

by FeloniousPhunk on Dec 19, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

I thought Scoop and obviously Dion both outplayed Triche this game. Only so much time to go around!

by Mike Will is DoubleDown on Dec 19, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Correction

dion only had 2 ast.

"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes

by FeloniousPhunk on Dec 19, 2011 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

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