No. 1 Syracuse 88 - NC State 72: Let The Popping Off Begin
Did you know this was Syracuse's first true road game since 1842? If they're all like this, I look forward to our next one in 2107 when we play Remulak Tech on Rigel 7.
This past week has seen a lot of people talking about the No. 1 Syracuse Orange. About their worth as a No. 1. About their historical inability to play "true" road games. About everything swirling around them in the Bernie Fine allegations.
This Syracuse team proved to the nation, their fanbase and to themselves that none of that stuff matters once they step on the court. All they do is take care of business and they did that Saturday, topping the N.C. State Wolfpack 88-72 in Raleigh (boxscore).
First of all, that 23-0 run at the end of the first half was the most fun I've had watching Syracuse basketball in a long time. I was watching the game in a sports bar with only my Hefeweizen to keep me company and I was openly fist pumping, flailing my arms with every three-pointer and saying "YES!" and/or "BOOM!" out loud with reckless abandon. I was that guy and I was damn happy to be him.
I think it's time we officially say it. This is Dion Waiters' team. He might not be the leader, so to speak. He's not necessarily the guy who is going to take the final shot. However, when the game starts and he has the ball in his hands...it's his team. He sets the tone on both ends of the floor and Syracuse is a better team when he has the ball at the top of the key. Dion's 22 points was well-earned. Let's just hope that cockiness doesn't get the best of him at some point.
As for Scoop Jardine, I hate to sound like a broken record with him but I can't help it. I am TERRIFIED every time he is standing at the top of the key with the ball in his hand. He might end up swishing a three or making a great play. He also might make the most "Scoopid" turnover you've ever seen. Pretty sure he did both at least five times last night. I love Scoop as a personality. I love him as a team leader and motivator. I hate him as our point guard. Scoop had 16 points to go with his 4 turnovers.
Kris Joseph is the sneakiest star that I can remember in the SU pantheon. I seriously forget about him for long chunks of time, wonder what happened to him and then realize that he has 21 points. I honestly don't remember half of those points.
C.J. Fair continues to be the guy behind the guys getting it all done. He's Mr. Intangible and he's Josh Pace 2.0. It just seems like whenever the team needs a boost, a key rebound, a defensive stop or some quick points, he's the guy who gets it done. I cannot wait for upperclassman C.J.
James Southerland? James Southerland. Don't need to say anything else.
Brandon Triche has one of his Johnny Tyler games. "Oh Brandon, I forgot you were there. You may go now..."
Fab Melo had one of those games where he didn't put much on the stat sheet but he was a solid presence down low. He was giving the Wolfpack center fits in the 2nd half as well. Plus, the #MeloHawk is starting to morph into some kinda of weird #MeloMullet. It's fantastic to watch.
Michael Carter-Williams, thanks for showing up. Please work on your free throws, young man.
Rakeem Christmas, thanks for showing up. Now just sit there nicely while James Southerland does whatever he wants to you.
I thought NC State played well and shot the lights out from three for a good chunk of the game, always our death-knell. We should have known as soon as we saw they had a lanky, nondescript white guy chucking the ball from 40-feet out. The crowd was loud at times but quiet when their team fell behind and you could hear the SU fans clearly on TV. Great showing by our fans on the road...guess we should do this more often.
The game itself felt like a first-round NCAA Tournament game to me. The lower seed fed off the crowd energy and jumped out to a nice lead, hitting every conceivable three-pointer they could muster. Then the high seed remembered they were the high seed and took back the game. The low seed came out in the 2nd half with adjustments and re-asserted themselves before the high seed finally put it away and strolled into the victory.
Syracuse is now 11-0 and will retain the top spot in both polls on Monday. After a big lay-off last week, they jump right into things this week when they host the Bucknell Bison on Tuesday and the Tulane Green Wave on Thursday. With that, the non-con schedule will be complete and we'll be off to Big East play.
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I have no words for this guy.
http://twitter.com/ESPNGameDayJMac
Being an Eagles fan is like being friend-zoned by the girl you love
The same guy
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/powerrankings/_/week/2/show/middle
ranked us FIFTH. BEHIND UCONN. The same UCONN that lost to UCF and needed OT to beat Florida State. The same UCONN who has played 2 games since November 26th and has no true road games scheduled. He rips us for not playing on the road, then he puts a team who has no road games scheduled ahead of us. Why does he have a vote in this (meaningless) poll?
by turntheradioff on Dec 18, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
for being a glorified troll, I know. It sucks.
by turntheradioff on Dec 18, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Followed by:
Syracuse average basketball game attendance (22,312) higher than highest NBA average attendance (Bulls, 21,791)
Is he penalizing us for our historic reluctance to schedule road games?
Despite that being a meaningless poll, um…
It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.
by Girardi Party on Dec 19, 2011 1:13 AM EST up reply actions
First of all...
Remulak Tech is so overrated.
Secondly, Kris Joseph reminds me of Lawrence Moten – not in the way they play, but in the way that you would look up at the end of the game and say, “holy crap, HOW many points did he score??”
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
RESTORE 44!
by kotite4ever on Dec 18, 2011 12:27 PM EST via mobile reply actions
You're right about Rumulak
Ro Laren Institute of Technology on Bajor is an up and coming program. They’re building a new virtual 4D stadium so that SU won’t have to take the interstellar shuttle there. Boeheim will still have an after-game pressor since his new artificial vocal cords have been replaced.
WTF with all these geeky Star Trek references?
I’ve been watching SU longer than most of you have been alive. And I’m so tired of the second have collapse. It’s not good for my heart.
Go Cuse. Go Utes. Go Kings (hockey version). Go Panthers (hockey version). Go Marlins. Go Dodgers. I despise the NFL and NBA, so don't bore me.
by LeftCoastMan on Dec 18, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
Collapse would indicate they lost
NCST made some good adjustments and we proved the better team. What’s wrong with that?
Victor Cruz is the 2011 Ahmad Bradshaw. He giveth, and he taketh away.
by bigbluethruandthru on Dec 18, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
Also, everyone knows Rigel 7 is a neutral site.
We travel great there.
by Rocklionheart on Dec 18, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Doesn't count as a road game
because we’ll be in the same conference soon.
http://cusepulp.blogspot.com/
by Lots of Pulp on Dec 18, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
as awesome as the 23-0 run was, the start to the second half was terrifying
At that point I was listening on the radio on the way to a christmas party and all I heard was: "… off-balanced shot, no good, rushed 3, no good, long three attempt, off the rim, runner in traffic, no good, etc. "
Great win, but it doesn’t count because it’s just NC State, of course. A real #1 team wouldn’t have let it be that close. SU should have scheduled a powerhouse like Chattanooga.
I've been involved in a number of cults, both as a leader and a follower. You have more fun as a follower. But you make more money as a leader.
by Fly Rodder on Dec 18, 2011 12:34 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Start of both halves
NC State was in F.U. mode, feeding off the crowd. SU definitely got weird to start the 2nd half, sloppy and rushed. But once they settled, no contest.
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I thought most of those threes were pretty good shots
If two of them drop, the momentum never gets lost at all. Instead, we missed them all.
So it goes.
Dictated, but not read.
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All the lead up
Said NC State take smart shots. I guess they do. That’s why rebound stats are low too. High shooting percentage on both sides. NC State had a lot of turnovers, that’s where the D was, putting pressure before the shot on a team that only takes shots they know they can hit.
On the rebounding
It seemed early in the game, NC St was not crashing the offensive glass because they were terrified of the SU transition. Once the 23-0 run happened, that changed. They came out in the 2nd half and clearly were crashing the boards harder and made a run. I think teams make a mistake by not going to the glass, a known weakness to the SU zone. But, the threat of Waiters bringing down the house just scares teams.
by orangetundra on Dec 18, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Syracuse played about 8 total minutes of bad basketball in that game
and NC State simply shot the lights out. Against a better team, you might not be able to recover from 8-10 bad minutes… but if Syracuse can play as well as THEY did for stretches, they’re unbeatable.
But we did shoot the lights out from three which is not something that is going to happen every night.
It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.
by Girardi Party on Dec 19, 2011 1:15 AM EST up reply actions
In stretches, I meant to say
re: the three ball
It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.
by Girardi Party on Dec 19, 2011 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
Re: State 3 pointers
I never, ever get scared when teams race out to a lead by hitting a lot of 3’s. Mathematics says that they’re likely to start missing sooner or later. Plus, it gets it into opponent’s heads that this is their night to drop 30 threes on the Orange and they keep tossing them up, even when they start missing. Sometimes that mentality does spell doom for Syracuse, but only once, maybe tiwice, a year. And, with as many offensive weapons as this team has, it’s better able to endure a hot shooting night from any given opponent. When the other team shoots 50% from 3, you usally don’t win by 15+
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Dec 19, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Ive got my buddy Jay that always calms me down with almost the exact same thing as what you just said.
It essentially goes like this: “Yeah, they are hot now, but they are going to only be 40% from 3 at the end of the game. Dont worry so much. Thats why they are called streaks”
Plus that stat!
They were 50% from 3, 58% overall FG percentage – numbers that almost always put a W in their column, and they werent even close!!!!
I was amazed during the early second half
how we weren’t running away with the game despite shooting over 50% and causing 15+ turnovers and not really committing any of our own… it was because they shot the lights out! You’re right, we got their best game and they didn’t have enough to hang for 40 minutes.
It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.
by Girardi Party on Dec 19, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
It's the main thing
I say to people who try to bash the 2-3, typically saying, “So and So is going to drop 10 threes on Syracuse and kill the zone”. Please, be my guest. Go 9-27 on threes. The Orange are going to take 8 of those 18 misses and turn them into transition buckets.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Dec 19, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
It's not usually the 3's that kill SU
It’s the teams that can either penetrate, like a Marquette or UConn, or the teams that routinely get the ball inside by working the ball through the FT lane, like Pitt or what NCSU was doing for periods of the game Saturday. Teams don’t usually beat SU by shooting a high number of threes unless they drill a high percentage or constantly grab the OREB’s.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
what always puzzles me
Is that teams will go high-low from the foul line and get like 3 dunks…and then stop going to that. I mean, I know the Orange aren’t just going to let it keep happening, but shit. If its working, keep doing it.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Dec 19, 2011 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
Agree about Dion.
Seems like he’s the only bonafide Alpha on the court. Not to say the others are not- but contrast his constant swag with Brandon “Sominex” Triche, & well…you get the idea.
The "road" thing is so over-played
it’s ridiculous. What does it even mean? Is it supposed to be some indication of how you’ll play at a neutral-court tournament site? It – like everything- is about money. Why do sportswriters try so hard to ignore the obvious. Just let it go.
Bologna
For the record,
ESPN’s recap does NOT mention the Bernie Fine saga.
Go Cuse!
Because they already hit their quota
discussing it during the game.
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Exactly
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To be honest, KJo wasn't that quiet to me. His first step was terrific tonight
He calmed down on the “9 crossovers before doing anything” and just made quick, powerful moves. He also had a tip in where he flew down from the roof of the arena.
Dion (aka Dr. Pop Off) is the f’ing man. My worry is that it gets to his head and he bolts for the NBA after the season. Selfishly (but I think within reason) he needs a little more seasoning – his release on his jump shot is way too slow, and he could work on some mid range moves, back to the basket, etc.
I still feel like we’re getting a little too worked up about Nephew Smoke (Scoop). Sure that no look pass was awful. And sure he had 4 turnovers. But the past 4 games or so he’s been really good. He won the Florida game for us. He was huge during the stretch run last night. Does he inspire as much confidence as Dion with the ball? No. But I don’t feel constantly as if something terrible is gonna happen.
For some reason this year, we seem much more mentally stable when shit hits the fan. Even Nephew Smoke doesn’t freak out. Our shot selection and offensive sets for the most part seem more patient.
The only negative thing about last night was Triche’s absence. Hopefully his confidence doesn’t wither. But it’s a positive that we are so talented that we can have other options we can just plug in to the guard position. Our depth basically allows Jimmy B to just play the hot hand. Which is awesome.
Great win. Gotta keep up focus for a busy, and deceiving tough, week coming up.
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Good points
Yeah I don’t think KrisJo was completely under the radar, he had some great plays, second-chances and dunks…but I was still shocked to learn he had 21 points.
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Yea, I didn't think he had one point less than dion
What do you think about Dion’s decision after this year? I hate to talk about it, cause it will probably find its way to his twitter feed, but I think it’s an interesting discussion
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There's still a long way to go, but...
if he keeps this up, I think he would go pro. I don’t take him as the type to worry about “the college life” vs getting paid millions.
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I Don't Know
Since he commited to an attitude change in the off season, and sees how it helped him, he might be willing to stay with Boeheim one more year.
If Dion keeps this up, and he is projected to be a 1st round pick, he should go pro.
It would be stupid not to go. The issues he has can be worked in the NBA just as easily as they can be worked out at SU.
by DukePettyjohn on Dec 18, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
And there was such marked improvement from last year to this
no way there’s that big a jump next year and he’ll have only $$ to lose by risk of injury etc by staying another year (though I’d love for him to stay, he just doesn’t strike me as someone concerned about getting an education etc)
"We don't lose hat and t-shirt games" - Tedy Bruschi
That seems to be what is happening to Sullinger this season.
Was going to be a #1 draft and now not looking that durable with all of the injuries.
by Gregory Tuers on Dec 18, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
His DEFENSE is NBA-ready
which is what makes me think he’ll go… but who knows. I have a feeling “ONE MORE YEAR” will be raining down from the Dome bleachers during the Louisville game, shades of Melo vs. Rutgers in 2003.
It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.
by Girardi Party on Dec 19, 2011 1:19 AM EST up reply actions
Joseph really is very sneaky.
There were a couple moments in the first half when his presence was noticeable, but Dion really did make all the noise yesterday. And yet, one point difference between the two. I really don’t think that’s a bad thing either btw.
Clear eyes, full bologna sandwiches!
I've been saying something similar to my buddy all year
You look up he has 16 points and you “how” a lot this year.
He was more assertive last might. Nice to see that dribble dunk … he needs to take to the rim more.
There were some games Wes Johnson really took over
but I thought he always had a lot of games like that, too… shot here, shot there, a couple threes, and, oh wow 19 points.
It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.
by Girardi Party on Dec 19, 2011 1:19 AM EST up reply actions
There are those who think Waiters should start...
But, I just love the effect it has when the opposing team gets ahead of our starters and they say “this all ya’ got?? HA… we got this one!” and then… BAM!! Dion subs in and smashes ’em in the mouth!! What fun!! It just takes the wind out of their sails and lifts our team up… I just love surprises!!! GO SU!
If he doesn't get the Big East 6th man award, there is no justice
"We don't lose hat and t-shirt games" - Tedy Bruschi
What football season?
What’s football?
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by Sean Keeley on Dec 18, 2011 9:49 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
that's that game our grandfather's were good at right?
F#&% the Big East
by dacj501 on Dec 19, 2011 2:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This will be Dion's team next year.
I am impressed by his commitment to off season conditioning and the level of his defense. He’s got the offensive skills. (one thing to work on is the “kick” in his jumpshot). I hope he continues to improve and bring his best every game. He is playing with confidence and it shows on the court. I am concerned, however, that the confidence will turn to cockiness. Please don’t let all the complimentary tweets make you believe you are better than you are. He’s in the same place that Flynn was in during his soph year, except Jonny started every game. Dion needs at least one more year before the NBA, and it will be “his” team next year.
'91 SU alum
If he keeps this up
He will not be here next year. There is zero chance of Dion leading this team in scoring and not having agents get word to him that he is ready (whether he is ready or not).
Dictated, but not read.
http://atlanticcoastconfidential.wordpress.com/
He retweets lots of tweets about how he'll be a lottery pick, etc.
but he would also retweet if you told him the sky is blue so who knows if that’s worth reading into haha
It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.
by Girardi Party on Dec 19, 2011 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
Are we sure Dion isn't
Jordan’s kid? Not that he’s at his level yet, but every time I see him on a fast break that’s all I can think about.
"If Gerry played at Notre Dame he'd probably average 25 a game for four years because that's what he gets when he comes here."-JB
Wasn't comparing him to Jordan's kid
was comparing him to MJ himself
"If Gerry played at Notre Dame he'd probably average 25 a game for four years because that's what he gets when he comes here."-JB
by theNYsportsguy on Dec 18, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
He is dining on non-con contenders for sure.
We definitely need to see how he holds up against Big East play, which is where he dropped off last year, only to resume in the last couple of games in the tourney. He is in way better shape this year, and I know he is going to start giving opposing guards fits. But Im still in wait and see mode. Still so much basketball to be played, and the hard stuff is all ahead of us. While we have learned a lot, we are going to know a lot more by February 1st as opposed to January 1st.
We have Pitt (9-1) and Marquette (10-0), Seton Hall (8-2) absolutely smacked us last year -and we have to play so many teams that just give 110% to beat – WVU, Notre Dame, Nova..I also gotta say, while I dont think Depaul (8-3) will be a problem, they are better than they have been in years past as well. Providence (9-2) as well.
RE Seton Hall
I read in the ESPN Weekly watch that Herb Pope has been in beast mode so far this season. He’s given the Orange problems in the past. Hopefully they’ll be able to stop him without Fab and BMK fouling out.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Dec 19, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Waiters is easily the best non-starter in the country. Loved his first half dunk. Wow.
If this team can avoid bad-decision moments like the start of the second half …. they can be very good. They need to be a team (ru the offense) and not great individuals
Excited
moo
How silly would that be if
one of our bench players leaves early for the NBA while all the non-senior starters stay
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watched the replay of the game twice last night
Fair had buckets when we were tied twice in the 2nd half, one was a smooth pull up 15 footer and the other was the lefty and-1, both were HUGE shots when nc state wasn’t missing in the 2nd half.
That travel call they missed on Leslie was so bad i watched it 5 times, looked like he was playing hop scotch in the paint, his pivot foot literally moved 3 times before he passed it and they drilled a 3.
You keep chanting one more year, I thought college was four years
by PointBlankPeriodPeriod on Dec 18, 2011 2:30 PM EST reply actions
Fair's mid-range game
What I like most about CJ is that he can play in the 10-15 foot range. Most wings nowadays are only comfortable shooting 3’s or getting to the rim. And even then, it’s usually one or the other. A “great” college player is one that can do both.
CJ is great around the rim and has a nice 3pt stroke (when used judiciously), but his comfort in the mid-range is a real asset. And I’ll tell you what. That baseline 8-footer that he makes all the the time is one of the toughest shots in basketball, especially since he’s on the move most times he shoots it.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Dec 18, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
That travel
was atrocious, easily the worst call that didn’t go our way so far this season, with an honorable mention to (I believe it was) Jimmy Burr missing a Manhattan player spending probably eight consecutive seconds in the key with no call.
It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.
by Girardi Party on Dec 19, 2011 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
Is Popov
Now the official vokda of TNIAAM?
If I see anything but at a future tailgate, I will be sorely disappointed.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Dec 19, 2011 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
I know I'm biased
But I think Scoop did a tremendous job getting this team back in rhythm during the second half of this game. I believe he was instrumental in this win, cringeworthy shots or not…
Ooo yea that's hot.
It's not his shots that bother me
it’s those passes to nobody that seem to happen every third possession.
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loved in the 2nd half
after one of those laser no look passes to the guy in the front row – the camera stays on coach for a bit and you can see him yelling SCOOP and pointing at his eyes, like hey dumbass, see what you are passing to…
F#&% the Big East
I hear you and I wonder who he's passing to at those times
But I still have to believe that he is instrumental in these runs that get the team back into the swing of things. I am also an unapologetic Scoopist.
Ooo yea that's hot.
Love how Scott Wood...
Noticed the SU fanbase contingent!!! Awesome. Heard on their site listening to postgame comments.
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