Syracuse vs. Florida: The Southerlandening
The Big East/SEC Challenge kicks off tonight with four games, while the Syracuse Orange will contribute their part when they take on the Florida Gators tomorrow night in the Dome.
Syracuse students are already lining up for seats to the biggest game of the season so-far, so a lot of familiar faces are going to be in the Dome Friday night. One more familiar face will be joining them, former Rutgers guard Mike Rosario.
Rosario averaged 16.7 points per game his final season at Rutgers. That number ranked him ninth among Big East scorers.
But Rosario, weary of losing and searching for greener basketball pastures, transfered to Florida two years ago. He sat out last season because of NCAA transfer rules. This year, he's coming off the bench for Billy Donovan's Gators.
Syracuse fans remember Rosario from his Rutgers days, though we remember mostly for getting posterized by Jonny Flynn.
Meanwhile on the Orange side, reserve James Southerland is playing well. Let me rephrase that, Southerland is playing out of his gourd.
Admittedly, it’s still too early to make a huge extrapolation, but as of this writing, Southerland leads not just the entire Big East in offensive rating (the closest thing to a catch-all offensive stat), but all of college basketball with a mark of 167.4. This is astronomical
Southerland was a no-show in MSG, so the fear remains that his powers are restricted to the Dome. That's going to be okay until January.
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How is this calculated?
(or should I just google it……..)
Born in '87, Orange fan since '86
I guess I made a twitter, follow @StealthTurkey
The ol' RAC Massacre....Memories
The whole Jonny Flynn on Mike Rosario dunk happened on my birthday 3 years ago. Best present SU ever gave me. Later told my Rutgers friend SU basically annexed his court as MSG South for SU with all the Orange in the building that night.
btw, Southie and Mookie should get their own show like Kris and Scoop have…
Since the early 1990's I have not been able to get Mike Hopkins' bloody face out of my brain. I don't remember what game it was but I'll never forget that as my first memory of SU basketball. Mike Hopkins, bloody face, bloody nose, all for the love of Syracuse.
Maybe the best dunk since Hak left
That video Sean linked to was my homepage on my Facebook for like two years.
It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.
by Girardi Party on Dec 1, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
Like Boeheim said
he needs to blow up against a man defense. I wonder if he has issues shaking off double teams or glue defenders to create his own shot – something the team helps him with against a zone defense.
I've been involved in a number of cults, both as a leader and a follower. You have more fun as a follower. But you make more money as a leader.
He struggles to create his own shot
When teams have zoned us, he exploits two of the weak spots in the zone…. long 3 pointers and flashing to the foul line. He’s also benefited from being a beast on inbound passes when we press.
The question is, and Boeheim raised it at the last press conference, can he do this against a pesky, physical, athletic man to man defense. I hope we get the chance to find out. I’m really rooting for the kid.
http://twitter.com/#!/TeabagDunk
I'd wondered about South's offensive efficiency this season...
… but since Pomeroy went pay wall, I had no way to check. Kid’s had just one turnover through 7 games. But back to my first point…
WHY KEN POMEROY?!?! WHY!?!?!?
Knowledge=Power=Money
Born in '87, Orange fan since '86
I guess I made a twitter, follow @StealthTurkey
by StealthTurkey on Dec 1, 2011 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
$20 for an entire season in order to access some of the best stats in basketball
seems pretty reasonable to me.
Yeah
I actually didn’t mind it, so I actually ponied up the cash.
by Gregory Tuers on Dec 1, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
FYI
Individual player stats aren’t posted on KenPom till about mid-December.
by Gregory Tuers on Dec 1, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
I hope we see a Mike Rosario tea-bag dunk v2.0
or 3.0 if it’s on anyone else.
V1 – Warrick in the 03 Final Four
V2- Jonny
#BeatEveryone
How about this warrick dunk as well...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT8Pvfwui1c&feature=related
You keep chanting one more year, I thought college was four years
by PointBlankPeriodPeriod on Dec 1, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
Not a teabag
Still dirty
#BeatEveryone
by theNYsportsguy on Dec 1, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
Another player with a bit of history...
..against one of our guys (Fab) is Florida F/C Patric Young. Both came out of Florida, and both were ranked pretty high (Young #13 overall by ESPN, Fab #14). It all started, back in the day (both were just wee lads) when Young called-out Melo for being “overrated”…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OU9JnIGDB-4#t=46
Later that season, they met in the Florida state playoffs. Melo had 16 pts, 12 boards and 3 blocks. Young had 8 pts, 13 boards and 5 blocks. Fab got loose in the first half against the zone. But in the second, they had Young man-him-up and he pretty much shut him down. Worse, Young’s team won and went on to take the state title.
This season Young’s avg’ing 10/8/2. Fab’s getting 6/5/3.
I’m hoping the earlier loss to Young, scarred Fab deep within his soul, and he comes out tomorrow night like a beast possessed, where he promptly drops numerous unrelenting two-handed dunks on Young, blocks every shot in sight, and collects every carom like they are special objects not to be owned by anyone else.
Oh… and I hope we win.

Get that weak s#$t outta here, sonnn!!
by Anon5QADEtU4 on Dec 1, 2011 5:56 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I saw you posted this the other day
This will be interesting to watch throughout the game. I wonder if the commentators will pick up on it. Thanks for pointing this out.
G’ORANGE!
Just like Crazy Otto...
Anyone want to take bets...
on James seeing more than 3 minutes tomorrow night?
Depends, I'd guess, on his first look.
Is it a good look? Or is it rushed and wayy too hopeful?
I would never say that James isn’t a team player, but if he launches a prayer against m2m and misses terribly rather than working the ball around I see him getting pulled. He has to prove he can play against something other than zone, and how and when he chooses to shoot will determine that.
Born in '87, Orange fan since '86
I guess I made a twitter, follow @StealthTurkey
by StealthTurkey on Dec 1, 2011 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
Much more than 3 minutes
With Florida’s small lineup and quickness, I can’t see Christmas getting more than a handful of minutes, with Kris, Fair and Southerland getting nearly all the minutes at F.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
For some odd reason
JS really didn’t get a chance to play in MSG. If you look at his stat line it’s actually not bad for only 7 minutes of play. JB’s trigger is just too quick with JS, imo. That said, I do think JS should be more aggressive on offense.
He was terrible in those two games, especially the Stanford game
If he can’t play the bottom of the zone, he can’t play. He was pretty awful in those games, allowing a number of wide open looks from the wing and corner. That’s the main reason he didn’t play much.
He also needs to hit those open jumpers when he comes into the game.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Yeah
People talk about, “Southie shot the ball the second he touched it, missed, and got benched”. That’s not the reason at all. The reason is that he leaves his corner of the zone wide open and, despite being the best all-out athlete on the squad, doesn’t rebound for $hit.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Dec 2, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Southerland may spend too much time on his look and his antics
I think he might focus more on hoops than his pregame dances, his beard trimming, etc.
He has played great in stretched but he need to put it all together to stay on the floor. He also needs to be tougher and rebound better. I am surprised he is still so thin as a junior. Someone give him a milkshake, a protein bar and directions to the weight room.
Do students not have reserved seats?
Is the camping out for “fun”?
We always had reserved seats as students. At Duke, student seats are general admission and free with ID (at least when I last visited). Thus, the ned to camp out and be 1st in line to get the prime seat location. Same at St. Bonaventure.
I remember SU student ticket locations assigned based on seniority and number of times you were a previous student season ticket holder. Of course, SU student season tickets were sold on the roll-away seats across from the SU bench when I was a student, but no longer.
'91 SU alum
Not assigned
You have to buy them, first come first serve for those with season tickets. Rules are different if you just buy individual game tickets, and quite frankly it seems like they change the rules for that every game.
Students buy season tickets
but no ‘seat’ is reserved for them. Picking seats on gameday is first come, first serve, hence the camping out for first pick.
thanks for the info
Didn’t mean to imply SU student tickets were free on the early 90’s. We paid $5 for each game up front and submitted your season ticket application together with all of the fellow students you wanted to sit in your group. (up to 20 people) There was a lottery based on seniority and you were assigned the same seats for the entire season.
Our junior year, we sat in the 1st row behind the hoop. Our senior year, we were about 15 rows up on the roll-away seats across from the SU bench.
'91 SU alum
Been this way since the '02-'03 season
Me and StrawHatGuy were among the pioneers…freezing out unmentionables off hours before tip-off in the middle of a Syracuse winter. Good times.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Dec 2, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Flynn over Rosario
Might be the best non-Blake Griffin dunk I’ve ever seen. Hak threw down on just about everyone, but the 8’ wingspan made it look less impressive somehow. It was literally like watching Mr. Fantastic dunk on people. Yeah, it was nasty, but you also saw it coming. Plus, he really only had one dunk, that one-handed stretch slam.
Jonny’s dunk on Rosario, though, came out of nowhere. Yeah, you knew he was gonna shoot it. I don’t recall him passing out of the pick and roll once in his time in Orange. But even as he was turing the corner on the screen, you were expecting a floater or, at most, a strong layup. Then, all of a sudden, his nuts were in Mike Rosario’s grill and a collective “Oh, $h!t” went up from everyone watching. Combine that with the fact that the dude is maybe 5’11" with shoes on and that’s an all-timer at any level.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Dec 2, 2011 10:55 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Flynn was measured at 5'11 1/4 without shoes. Same height as Ty Lawson.
1/4 inch shorter than Raymond Felton, and a 1/4 inch taller than Corey Fisher.
I list the others for some comparison.
More info than you need:
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?year=All&sort2=ASC&draft=0&sort=
Gmac was 5’-11 3/4" without shoes. Who knew … who cares.
G-Mac never threw down on anyone like that, though
Who I have seen him dunk, so I know he was able too.
5’10, 5’11", 6". The extra inch and a half doesn’t really matter. What matters is that short guys throwing down is always more impressive than big guys throwing down.
"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes
by FeloniousPhunk on Dec 2, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions

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