Gregg Doyel Makes a Strong Case for Firing Jim Boeheim
by voteprime on Nov 27, 2011 11:12 PM EST
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PrintBuried within a horribly written article, Gregg Doyel at CBS Sports makes some excellent points, including a strong case for the the immediate firing of Jim Boeheim.
First, he says that Boeheim must be fired immediately, but it's not for defending his long time coach and friend:
"That's wonderful. That's loyalty. That's allowed. Good for you, Jim Boeheim. That's being a good friend."
I think many people would agree that if Boeheim went (horribly) wrong, it's when he called the accusers "liars" and said they were just "trying to get money."
But Doyel takes the wording from Boeheim's apology to point out why his original comments were so harmful:
"I deeply regret any statements I made that might have inhibited that from occurring or been insensitive to victims of abuse."
Too late. He should have thought about it on Nov. 18. Boeheim is the most powerful, most popular man in Syracuse. And for that guy, in that town, to ridicule Fine's accusers as liars and opportunists -- as deceitful frauds looking to make a quick buck -- Boeheim laid down a very public gantlet to anyone else who might have been interested in telling the police they were molested by Fine:
Come after Fine, and you're crossing me.
It is an excellent point. I want to say Doyel is wrong, but I don't know if I can.
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i totally
DISAGREE. Look…when Boeheim said that, he was right. There had been investigations that led to nowhere over 5-7 years ..and all the accusers were liars- according to police also.
Well, new evidence changes this. Do you want to fire every single police man, lawyer, etc. involved in the case that basically told the accusers the molestations never happened?
Look, whoever wants Boeheim fired is someone who blows things out of proportion…its as simple as that. THE GUY HAD NO IDEA THIS STUFF WAS GOING ON, INVESTIGATIONS SAID NOTHING WENT ON, HIS BEST FRIEND OF 50 YEARS SAID NOTHING WAS GOING ON…I believe Boeheim at the time definitely thought he was right (as did the world). I think an apology is definitely necessary, no doubt about it. But fire him? Out. Of. Your. Mind.
Out of your mind
But not out of the mind of people who run a University. Boeheim did not disregard evidence and have a moral failing with respect to reporting abuse. Instead, what he did was pretend that he knew all the facts by calling the accusers liars looking for money. That was recognized by some—immediately—as a very foolish strategy for reasons that fall well short of the evidence that was revealed today. Even if no new evidence developed, nobody would ever be “sure” one way or the other.
But today’s evidence shifted that balance away from Fine’s innocence—enough for Fine to be fired. JB cannot have it both ways. If you want to talk like you know all the facts, you better be right. And he was wrong. We know he was wrong because Fine was fired today.
This is 2011. College basketball is big business and entertainment. Indiana fired Bobby Knight because he said and did a variety of stupid things. PSU fired Joe Pa much more recently for a “moral obligation” issue. Among the moral obligations is to not accuse victims of being liars. Frankly, even if you THINK victims are liars, it is so stupid to do that… it is beyond belief.
Whether JB is fired will depend, in large part, about what his bosses are thinking. If you think for one second that Cantor and Gross will NOT fire JB based solely on his statements, I think you are being naive. They will do so to CYA—even if they are not sure it will work. That’s life. That is the reality of having a boss and being in the public eye. If JB or anyone else doesn’t like it, they can pursue self-employment.
I don’t know whether JB will be fired. But I do know that if he IS fired, he has nobody to blame for himself. Not ESPN. Not Cantor/Gross/Trustees. Not Fine. JB made his own decisions when he said what he said.
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by ezcuse on Nov 28, 2011 12:03 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Remember the part of Davis' original statement
where he said Boeheim saw him in Fine’s rooms? And then retracted that? That is an extremely serious charge, and if not true than Boeheim has every right to be angry about that, and to look at the other accusations in that same light. He’s not going after EVERY person who would ever come out and accuse someone, just the guy that laid very serious accusations at his feet.
Victor Cruz is the 2011 Ahmad Bradshaw. He giveth, and he taketh away.
by bigbluethruandthru on Nov 28, 2011 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
Schwartz
was just on ESPN reporting that Boeheim saw the kid in the hotel room. Why report that the guy retracted the statement when it makes your story so much better if you don’t mention that Davis admitted he was lying? This guy ins’t a journalist, he’s a clown.
by turntheradioff on Nov 28, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
This
I said it on another string, but put yourself in Jim’s shoes. someone comes out and says “You saw me getting molested and did nothing” that accuses you of being as bad as Joe Pa. This was not a PSU situation. Jim did not know and was being accused of knowing. Id call someone a liar too if they accused a friend of mine of something then said I witnessed it when I didnt. In my eyes it would shoot the accusers creditability to shit right there.
May Doug Marrone bless you and keep you.
I can say Doyel is wrong
Boeheim was defending his friend and employee, based off his personal knowledge at the time (which we do not know for sure, but all seem to presume was nothing other than a 2005 investigation that revealed nothing). So yes, his words were way too strong and certainly seem like a bad choice in retrospect, but at the time he was merely expressing an opinion on which he had reasonable knowledge. The fact that something different has come out since is unfortunate looking back, but that doesn’t make the statements any more or less credible.
Doyell is an asshat
with an eminently punchable face. When someone is so condesecending its hard to tell if they are altruistically motivated or just playing the smug moralist. He’s also ignoring a very big part of Davis’ original statement, which could have set Boeheim off.
Victor Cruz is the 2011 Ahmad Bradshaw. He giveth, and he taketh away.
by bigbluethruandthru on Nov 28, 2011 12:37 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
That article is nothing more than incendiary drivel.
Condescending would be a good starting point to describe the tone he takes. JB spoke his mind based on what he knew to be true based on the previous investigations. Did he cross a line? Did he go too far calling them liars going for money? Yes and Yes. Should he apologize to the alleged victims? Yes. Should he be fired? No. Furthermore, THE INVESTIGATION ISN’T DONE YET.
The difference is that JB does not have the luxury of saying what's on his mind....
As the head coach of a top ranked BB program, like it or not, Boeheim is the face of the University, and, as such, he has a DUTY to be more diplomatic in his remarks. We all know that his rather self-righteous, tell-it-like-it-is attitude has produced some rather startling remarks in the past. We’ve all laughed and said “that’s Jimmy being Jimmy” … but, ya’ know, there is a price to pay for that kind of arrogance. I’m sure when Jimmy made his first comments in support of his friend, Bernie, he gave hardly a thought to the seriousness of the accusations and the damage his statement could have on the victims, past, present and future. No, he just let loose with both barrels because he’s never exercised any constraint in the past and, by Jesus, why should he start now?! Look, anyone who has had to deal with the public (or has a wife) knows you need to stop and think about the consequences of everything you say… Jimmy has always felt he was above that,,, now, he gets the payoff for being that way. I think he will get fired… The University needs to save face and cut their loses… they need to distance themselves from this whole mess. And, if Cantor gets axed, guess what’s going to happen ?? They will hire a complete asshole who will be sure to put academics WAY above sports to prove that the University is doing the “right thing”… any way you look at it, you may be witnessing the end of SU as any kind of a relevant sports school…
haha
wow. way too much speculation. posters on blogs are exactly like the media…they want to one up each other with the worst case scenario.
poster 1. jimmy b needs to apologize
poster 2. jimmy b needs to be fired
poster 3. jimmy b needs to be fired and nancy cantor to be fired
poster 4. jimmy b needs to be fired and nancy cantor to be fired and SU will focus on academics instead of sports and SU as a relevant sports school is over
if you catch my drift…CAN WE ALL PLEASE LOOK AT THIS FROM A DOWN TO EARTH, REALISTIC POINT OF VIEW FOR GOSH SAKES? Jimmy B had NO idea illegal activity was going on. Now he speaks out to the media and should be fired? Like what? The dude didnt do anything illegal. Wow…let Jimmy B apologize for saying something that ended up being potentially wrong and lets make sure Fine pays for the horrible things he has done. END OF STORY.
it isn't quite that simple
first off, I NEVER said JB or Cantor should be fired… i said there is a strong possibility, especially in today’s “safe face” mentality… it has nothing to with what he knew or if Bernie is guilty… he made a BAD statement and he MAY be fired for it! The Cantor thing is pure fantasizing and speculation…
well
i just used your words as an example for everyone out there, didnt mean to sound like it was just about what you said.
When you start an article like that...
And I haven’t a clue what journalism school would have taught him how to do that…I think you do yourself a disservice. Regardless of how he thought, stop. Think about how the message is coming across. Then write an article like an adult. The argument is a sound one.
"Zone with manaman principles!"
by FrankFairways on Nov 28, 2011 7:37 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Agreed 100%.
He makes a good argument and buries it inside a bunch of crap that no one is going to want to slog through unless they already agree with him.
But I guess that’s his point. To preach to the choir while riling up folks that do not without actually convincing them of anything.
Greg Doyell's Job is to create interest and sell advertising
again, stop the presses. If we live in a society where 50+ years of outstanding work & loyalty is terminated because of one public statement paragraph or one misjudgement; then we are all in a hell of a lot of trouble.
I don't think Boeheim should be fired, but I agree with the point Doyell makes
Boeheim intimidated witnesses – existing witnesses, and others who WOULD be witnesses. This is wrong. He should be punished.
However, I’m not sure the punishment should be firing. In light of the Paterno thing, everyone is jumping to firing as the next step. But as EVERYONE has noted here, this is not the same scenario.
There are punishments that could be effective without firing Boeheim.
1. I actually hope they make him sweat this out. He should think he might lose his job for this, because it is serious. Then maybe he’ll think before he speaks from now on.
2. He should issue a REAL apology, in front of cameras, and he should actually sound like he means it. He should take questions and take blame, and he should be a man about it. I think he can, and will, do this when the time is right.
3. He should be forced to take some form of sensitivity training and give back money and more importantly, time, to some cause that supports victims of sexual abuse.
All is not lost for Boeheim, like it was for Paterno. He can recover from this, and he’s earned the right to atone for his mistakes.
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by Lots of Pulp on Nov 28, 2011 9:07 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Agree 100%
JB and Juli can create a charity or something too…
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Doing the smart thing...
Better to keep your mouth shut and look stupid, than open your mouth and prove it.
The school speaks with one voice—Cantor.
Dictated, but not read.
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Most of me still feels he should go
But the claims that Davis retracted the part about Boeheim (which I didn’t know…anyone have a source for that?) made me think about it. I think the thing about him seeing them was for the most part ignored, but if I’m Boeheim, or anyone in that position for that matter, I see that and feel like I’m implicated in this. If Davis can retract a pretty heavy statement like that, I think maybe Boeheim should be able to, as well.
But he would still have MAJOR damage control to do.
The fact that Boeheim's statements potentially belittled abuse victims is what really bothers me.
I understand standing up for a friend and I understand standing up for yourself (in terms of being in the hotel room), but there is a fine line in how to do those things. Calling them liars and gold-diggers was a bold statement when he really had no grasp of the facts. I actually don’t think he will be fired, but if is, I don’t think it’s hard to see why. Victims of abuse have enough trouble coming out and confronting their abusers without legendary, beloved figures discounting them.
Clear eyes, full bologna sandwiches!
by NOLACuse on Nov 28, 2011 11:27 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Doyel is an internet troll with a salary
I mostly stopped reading articles on cbs.com years ago because I couldn’t handle Doyel’s garbage. He represents so much of what is wrong with the internet. The guy is out to pick fights and nothing more. He probably flips a coin on most issues and then writes an article that insults anyone who disagrees with him. The only reason why he has any value is that he riles people up, which gains readership. I have never seen him offer any valuable insight into a topic and I don’t think that he did here either. Just because I don’t think that JB’s comments are enough to fire him does not mean that I put the guy on a pedestal and value him more than victim’s rights. That argument is insulting in so many ways.
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