Cincinnati 30 - Syracuse 13: Orange Get Pead On
That title is for nc44.
It happened right around the middle of the third quarter. There was no denying it. It didn't happen on the field. It didn't even happen in the Dome. And yet, there it was.
Syracuse Orange fans had, for the most part, officially given up on this season.
Look back on Twitter. Look at the gamethread. Look on the message boards (if you dare). Whatever hope that most Orange fans had to turn this season around disappeared for good somewhere around the 8-9 minute mark of the third quarter.
The season isn't over (yet) but it sure feels like it. We may yet still play in a bowl game. We might even win that game. Doing so would spread some soothing balm across what has been a disappointing swoon (just like in 2010). But given the 5-2 start and the way the team, especially the offense, has regressed this season, it's going to be hard to find silver linings for many SU fans.
Doug Marrone fell on his sword after the last loss. Now that the Orange are 5-6 and find themselves in a do-or-die situation with a road game against Pitt on the heels of a four-game collapse, Marrone seems officially out of answers.
"Obviously, I’m upset. I don’t think I can even explain how I feel. Losing four straight games is unacceptable. We got beat in all three phases. They outrushed us. They threw for more yards when it counted. They out-physicaled us. They made plays; I thought their running back did a heck of a job. Defensively, they did a nice job in coverage. Early, we were not able to win or hold up long enough in the protection to get the ball down the field.
"I can’t believe that I’ve disappointed the fans, the people, everyone. It’s my responsibility, and that’s why I don’t think people can understand it. If I was selfish, and didn’t care – maybe.
"I care too much about this community, where this program was, where I want to take this program, the administration, the faculty and the players. Right now, I feel like I’m letting them down. So you don’t really know how that feels."
You want game analysis? Go find it at Syracuse.com. The Daily Orange assess the many issues we had on offense and defense. Andrew Pregler talks about Antwon Bailey's big day in defeat. A quick recap from The Juice. Watch the players talk post-game here and watch Marrone's presser here.
And just because I have to justify that title, let's mention that Cincinnati RB Isaiah Pead had a monster day. He rushed for 81 yards, caught 9 passes for 112 yards and picked up 54 yards on punt returns. His big plays included this 69-yard touchdown run and this back-breaking 24-yard run in which he somehow ran through the entire defense untouched.
In spite of everting we've seen, I still think the Orange have a chance to beat Pitt. By all accounts they shouldn't. On the road against a better team that's battling for bowl slotting. And yet, because it's Pitt and because Syracuse does weird things like win games like this, I think they could win a game like this.
But who knows. Macky MacPherson sums up where the team stands:
"I don’t see anxiety, I see pressure. We’re not nervous, we’re not anxious. We needed a win and we didn’t get it. Now it’s crunch time and we’re going to see how badly we want this sixth win."
Unfortunately for them, the fanbase certainly feels that anxiety and those nerves. Last year, the Orange seemed ahead of schedule with 8 wins and a decent bowl game. While 6-6 might have been the right goal before the season, it certainly doesn't feel like it anymore. We've stepped back. Next week determines if we end up taking two steps back or only one.
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It's not just winning and losing
It is HOW we are winning and losing. All but one of our wins had a degree of good fortune to them. Of our 6 losses, only the Rutgers and UConn losses were close. And in those games we generated 9 turnovers and still lost.
Regression is the right word. I expected it on defense. I did not expect it on offense. But it’s there. I like HCDM and all the coaches. But you cannot have your experienced unit regress.
Even worse, I figured injuries would hurt this team. But we are healthier than we were in the first half. We played games without Chandler, Shmarko, and Fisher. Today we were missing Philip Thomas. A little less D-Line depth, but that’s it.
Regardless, Cincy, UConn, Rutgers, Louisville, and USF are not that far away from us in talent. And the one team that IS, we were able to beat handily with essentially the same lineup.
It’s not the results. It’s how we are getting these results.
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It’s not the results. It’s how we are getting these results.
Bingo
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
RESTORE 44!
by kotite4ever on Nov 26, 2011 9:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You have to catch the football
plain and simple. How many drives get extended if we have WR’s who can catch the ball when it hits them in the hands? Holy shit, give me a slow WR who can catch over a burner who drops every day.
I'm officially in the basketball mindset
I wasn’t before this weekend.
Glad I have a week to decide if I want to sell my Pitt tickets, or just go get drunk and talk $@#& about their basketball team.
#BeatEveryone
To me, the Cincy game was our shot
And we wasted it. I think this season is pretty much over. I honestly don’t see this squad going into Pitt and winning, especially with Pitt still angry about how they lost the Backyard Brawl. The offense no imagination or punch and the defense is paper thin, especially with Thomas gone. I hope the boys can surprise us next weekend, but I don’t expect it.
Shame to fall from 5-2 to being so underwhelming in conference play. I knew that loss to Rutgers would be a harbinger of bad things.
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I commented...
…on an earlier post that I was willing to give HCDM some slack in terms of wins and losses because he is accomplishing the more important task of preparing the players with life skills, as the majority of them will be experiencing the NFL the way we all do, on TV. I stand by that statement. However at some point, that has to translate onto the field and this is not a particularly disciplined team. I’ve never coached football at any level, so I don’t feel qualified to hold forth on what should be done differently. I can say that, for me at least, the comparing-things-to-GRob grace period is at an end. While I firmly believe that Marrone is a good man and has the best interests of the program as his guiding principle, something somewhere needs to change for that to occur and “progress” to translate into “results.”
Just noticed the photo of HCDM
I’d have to say the publication of that photo just completes what was an awful day for him. Wow.
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Between the photo and his post-game comments
someone needs to take away his belts and shoelaces for the next week.
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by Sean Keeley on Nov 26, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
In other news
Akron fired Ron Ianello. Can he do special teams?
NC State was trailing 41-14 to Maryland. At home. With 6 minutes to go in the 3rd quarter. And still won. Maryland and Edsall simply suck.
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Lol
Did they really blow that lead?? That’s awesome.
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
RESTORE 44!
by kotite4ever on Nov 26, 2011 9:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Would anyone hold it against Marrone...
…if he went apeshit on the sideline just once!?! I don’t care that it’s a bad example for the kids, or that it wouldn’t do any good in an effort to change a call, but how about just letting us SEE that he cares as much as we do? I know he does, but I want to see something snap, even if for five seconds. For example, when we got the pass interference call against us late in the game and the whole Dome is booing the call, just get in a ref’s face, or rip off the headset and spike the clipboard. Give us something to rally behind.
That might be the meathead thing to do in a pressure situation, but I think we’d all forgive him in the name of blue-collar-we-love-this-too-much-to-lie-down solidarity.
I think we sold our soul to the devil to beat WVU
Now we’re paying the price
by cheesehead5700 on Nov 27, 2011 12:05 AM EST reply actions
People are giving up, way too fast. Let’s play Pitt before everyone, leave SU for dead!
by Cusetown003 on Nov 27, 2011 2:15 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Things must be happening behind the scenes to bring down the ship
It’s gotta be more than just a lack of talent and execution. They’re just not competitive with teams right now. That’s the most troubling part of the post-WVU season.
Marrone needs a vacation. He projects no fire in the belly on the sidelines anymore.
Running Scared?
Orange punt and kickoff returners seem to be running scared. No acceleration through holes…very tentative..
Old Scout ’71
I will say this
while the loss blows, it is nice to see HCDM taking full responsibilty for… well everything. Its also nice to see that he gives a shit about this program and the community. Dont get me wrong, the loss still blows. But if there was a silver lining for me as a fan reading HCDM’s comments would be it.
Everybody take a deep breath
Better? Guys, we lost a lot of senior leadership last year. This team was never going to meet the expectations that we out in them. They were always gooing to be ‘ok’, but we’re never going to play lights out all season. That just wasn’t going to happen this year. We have good talent on the way for the next few years and we have a program that has turned the corner from disaster to work in progress to something that we can all agree shows some serious promise. Let’s keep a level head here and not make retarded comparisons to national level programs.
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by Benny The Red on Nov 27, 2011 9:57 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I think the only problem I have with Marrone
Is his lack of trust in the offense. I understand what hes trying to do. Run the ball, control the clock, win a low scoring game about 20-17. But at the same time this is college football. That is hard to do now. College football is about scoring points. I dont care that we dont have a spread offense and just throw it every play. I like the way the offense is set up but they dont take the advantadges they have given themselves. LIke how we run run run pass to the TE for 3 yards run run run pass to Lemon for 7 yards.. They are setting up alot of deep ball chances with this kind of offense. Never seen them. And at the same time its not like im all pissed cuz they arent throwing 70 yards in one play. But if your game plan is based around the run you have to at least make the defense think theres some possibility that it could go deep. If not they crowed the box and good luck from there.. Nassb Chew and Lemon can get it done. Wish they would have given them a chance.
I partially disagree
We call deep passes. The problem is that we don’t have the protection time for those, the receivers with speed to get open deeper, and Nassib throws it where it will be incomplete or a catch (not a bad idea, but lowers the percentage chances).
The problem is that we really call deep passes at the wrong time. How many times did we get a 2nd and 1, 2, or 3 and NOT call a deep pass there? I recall at least a few. In that situation, play action is going to work because it is a pretty simply run situation.
I know… I know that it is such a good situation to pass deep that the other team is going to know it. But if it is a low percentage play, why not do in a situation where an incomplete pass leads to a 3rd and short?
Instead, we do it on 1st and 10. When it is incomplete, we end up with 2nd and 10. Now we have the defense t-ing off on our run/short passing game. Little surprise that it does not work.
The coaching staff is overthinking itself. In the NFL, play calls are going to matter. In college football, there is such a disparity in talent and coaching time that even when the other team knows what you are going to do, they might not be able to stop it because one defender falls for it. We do it all the time… we know Luallen is going to run and he runs for 40 yards. It just takes one player to miss an assignment. We know it. We don’t take advantage of it.
We also saw similar mismanagement on the 4th and 12. If that is 4-down territory, why are we throwing deep? Why not make the 4th down manageable AND get us in better field goal position just in case?
But I agree with you that the devotion to run is killing us. Once again, Louisville has provided the script for how to stop our run and other teams are following it. Or maybe Rutgers did and West Virginia was too cocky to follow it. I don’t know, but what I do know is that I would like to see Nassib pass the ball 50 times next week. If we are going down, let’s go down with our best offensive player and team leader taking us down. Bailey is “good,” but not great. He can catch the ball too. Let him do it.
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U R 100% RIGHT....
another example was late in the game, it was 3rd and 11-12 ydson about the Cinnci 40 yd line and Marrone (Hackett?) goes for a bomb instead of setting up a manageable 4th down. That pass was incomplete and we go for it on 4th and run a 5 yd pass play.. the receiver caught the pass but was tackled far short of the first down marker. We certainly have a problem with talent , focus and execution, but the play calling doesn’t help much. I’ve given up… it looks like this team has, too, regardless of what they say in the pressers….
The Spread
is predicated on your wide receivers being better than their corners in the one on one situations created by spreading the field. With us, that is not the case. We cant run the spread.
May Doug Marrone bless you and keep you.
I think that SU's next level of success
will require a QB that is a threat with his legs. It adds a dimension that allows an inferior passer to have better offensive production for the team. Legeaux and Luallen were WAY inferior passers. But Cincy moved the ball just fine against us.
To be pro-style requires good receivers too, right? It’s not like there is an offense that allows receivers to be left alone. But pro-style also requires linemen to hold their blocks.
Plus, by being in the pocket, pressure can come from either side. Why are we not rolling him out more? That takes some of the pressure off of one side of the OL.
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We can do it either way
its easier to have a QB that is a threat to run because that forces a D to shift based on only one player. However when you have multiple weapons it makes more sense to have a qb who is a better distributor. I think we have a great distributor in Ryan, but no weapons around him. He would be a stud on a better team. But for us to win games with the guys we have youre right, we need a QB to keep the D honest.
In the future I believe thats the way we are headed. Look at the guys HCDM has brought in. Kinder, Hunt and Broyld. Each one of these guys has the potential to be a stud.
Its not that it cant be done with a guy like Ryan. Cincy did it two years ago with a QB who made Ryan look like Vick.
I like Ryan on the roll out. A lot. He was very good at it during the start of the season. But i think we compromise our end blocking to support the inside of the line. It makes it really easy for a D to contain. I think mackey has done a great job, but we have a long snapper playing center.
May Doug Marrone bless you and keep you.
I dont think we need a spread
I said I like the offense we run. they just dont run it the right way. You have to set up the run by the pass or set the pass up by the run. Other teams come into the game and know exactly what will be called. A bunch of runs by Bailey. A 2 yard pass to Provo. and then alot more running plays and then about 3 deep trys a game.. usually when the game is out of hand.
Im ok with the offense Marrone is trying to run. Hes just not running it right. If you really want to run that much you have to make the defense feel that you might beat them deep so they dont just sell out on the run…and end up being right about it.. I think Marrone is just stubborn honestly. I understand that the line doesnt give enough time to throw deep. But what about some slants. some over the middle quick hit throws. Im getting sick of every time theres a play action Nassib throws the 2 yard pass to Provo when theres open players down field. Is that bad coaching? Is that what Marrone wants? Or Is it Nassib just being safe all the time. Whatever it is it is very obvious to other defenses. And thats why the points arent going on the board like they should.
I think those slants and middle passes are called...
but, either those receivers are covered or Nassib doesn’t trust them to catch the passes he throws. Can you blame him? Look at it this way… Nassib is inaccurate on at least 25% of his passes… the “newer” receivers (West and Graham and both TEs,,, other than Provo) drop catchable balls at least 50% of the time, even when it hits their hands. That makes it about a 1 in 4 chance of completing a pass to anyone other than Provo and Lemon…. where do you see a viable passing game?? These receivers can’t get separation, can’t catch and can’t break a tackle…. forget about it!!
Yeah
I would love something radical like nothing buy passes on the first drive. If you want to get Bailey involved—pass to him. I think our play calling is very predictable right now. I pretty much know when we have reached that “well, it’s time we tried a pass on first down” point in every drive. And then the “since we just ran for 8 yards, let’s run it again and get the first down” point. And so on.
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