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Dear Students, Faculty & Staff,

Last night, we were contacted by an ESPN television reporter regarding allegations dating back to the 1980’s and 1990’s that Associate Head Men’s Basketball Coach Bernie Fine had engaged in inappropriate behavior with a minor, now 39. Following the terrible news that came out of Penn State in the last several weeks, this is clearly distressing to all of us in the Syracuse University community. The news is already being covered widely by the media.

I want to tell you what we know and what we are doing about it.

First, as has been announced, Bernie Fine has been placed on administrative leave pending a new investigation by the Syracuse Police Department. He has vehemently denied the allegations and should be accorded a fair opportunity to defend himself against these accusations.

As we have communicated publicly in response to media inquiries, in 2005, Syracuse University was contacted by an adult male who asserted that he had reported allegations in 2005 of abuse in the 1980’s and 1990’s to the police. That same individual told us that the Syracuse City Police had declined to pursue the matter because the statute of limitations had expired.

On hearing of the allegations, the University immediately launched its own comprehensive investigation through its legal counsel. The nearly four-month-long investigation included a number of interviews with people the individual said would support his claims. All of those identified by him denied any knowledge of wrongful conduct by the associate coach. At the end of the investigation, as we were unable to find any corroboration of the allegations, the case was closed. Had any evidence or corroboration of earlier allegations surfaced—even if the Police had declined to pursue the matter —we would have acted.

As of last night, we became aware that the Syracuse Police have determined to open an investigation, and we will cooperate to the fullest extent with their review of the matter.

Let me be clear. We know that many question whether or not a university in today’s world can shine a harsh light on its athletics programs. We are aware that many wonder if university administrations are willing to turn a blind eye to wrongdoing that may disrupt a successful sports program. I can assure you I am not, and my fellow administrators are not. We hold everyone in our community to high standards and we don’t tolerate illegal, abusive or unethical behavior—no matter who you are.

As you know, this week, I affirmed Syracuse University’s steadfast belief that all of us have the responsibility, individually and collectively, to ensure that Syracuse University remains a safe place for every campus community member and everyone with whom we interact on a daily basis on campus or in the community as part of our learning, scholarship, or work. We do not tolerate abuse.

The dilemma in any situation like this, of course, is that—without corroborating facts, witnesses or confessions —one must avoid an unfair rush to judgment. We have all seen terrible injustices done to the innocent accused of heinous crimes. And we’ve all seen situations where the guilty avoid justice.

At this time, all we really know is that a terrible tragedy is unfolding for both the accuser and the accused. I want you to know that we will do everything in our power to find the truth, and —if and when we do find it—to let you know what we have found.

Sincerely,

Nancy Cantor

Syracuse Chancellor Nancy Cantor to the Syracuse University community this morning, in response to the Bernie Fine child molestation allegations.

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We don't tolerate illegal, abusive, or threatening behavior?

Eric devendorf anyone?

That said awesome response by SU

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by Moiso13 on Nov 18, 2011 8:02 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

More like

Fab Melo, anyone?

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by FeloniousPhunk on Nov 18, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

The thing I find fishy

Is that the stepbrother now supports his claims. Where was he in 2005 and why didn’t he step forward then? He had to know about the investigation back in 2005.

by kd bart on Nov 18, 2011 8:11 AM EST reply actions  

Great response. Couldn’t ask for more than that.

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by wildcatlh on Nov 18, 2011 8:16 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

SU's response to this

makes me even prouder to be an alum, total class so far (Quick, concise, and we looked heavily into it already). I think if something like this were to go down, this is how any school would want to respond.

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by 'CuseRugby on Nov 18, 2011 8:18 AM EST reply actions  

something about this whole thing...

…is off in my opinion. the timing, immediately in the wake of what happened at PSU, is quite coincidental, having this come out now. The fact that there was already a university investigation (and given what’s happened in the past with student-athletes like billy edelin and others, i’d like to think there is a tough judicial system on campus.)
but then there’s this: doesn’t Boeheim have a few young kids of his own, and wouldn’t it stand to reason they’ve been left alone with Bernie Fine once in a while? just saying…
bottom line, until more info comes to light, we’re all left wondering whats going on.

by SUalum2002 on Nov 18, 2011 8:19 AM EST reply actions  

If I'm not mistaken, Boeheim's kids were also ball boys at SU

I don’t remember when, but seems like it was more recent than when the original allegations were brought forth. If JB thought there was any truth to the allegations 2 things seem obvious to me: 1) Fine would have been gone then and 2) No way JB’s kids would have been around Fine.

I hope the investigation will show this to be completely untrue. At least it appears that the University has handled it in a responsible manner.

by nc44 on Nov 18, 2011 9:04 AM EST up reply actions  

That's a damn good point

I wonder if Joe Paterno’s kids were allowed to hang with Sandusky. Well, grandkids. Well, great-grandkids.

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by ezcuse on Nov 18, 2011 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

The timing makes perfect sense.

ESPN feels empowered by the PSU stuff to dig into other related stories. This was something they had a long time ago, but didn’t feel strongly enough to run with it. With a second alleged victim and the climate what it is in the wake of PSU, they feel they have enough to run the story.

Secondly, more stores like this may come out beyond SU. Seeing Sandusky get his just desserts and seeing PSU fall should, hopefully, encourage other victims to come forward. There are undoubtedly many, many sexual abuse victims out there too afraid or embarrassed to say anything. The way the PSU scandal played out might give some of them hope that they won’t be silenced anymore.

Clear eyes, full bologna sandwiches!

by NOLACuse on Nov 18, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Based on this respone...

…AND how weird this all seems right now, the Dome should be packed tomorrow in full support. Even if it will be a 30+ point win.

by mrb81582 on Nov 18, 2011 9:07 AM EST reply actions  

Not that I'd want to make any of this personal but..

I haven’t been around this week because I’ve been going through a break-up from a 6 year relationship.

I decided that for emotional therapy and head-clearing I need a weekend in Cuse, and yesterday morning bought tix to tomorrow’s game.

Shit. I guess when a week sucks, it sucks hard.

I am proud as proud can be for my University, though. I am confident that no matter what happens, they will handle it correctly and we will come out stronger in the end…even if that end is tragic.

The 'Cuse is in tha house, oh my God oh my God.

by StrawHatGuy on Nov 18, 2011 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

The last time I broke up with a long term girlfriend...

was September 10, 2001. At least its something else to concentrate on.

by Niro5 on Nov 18, 2011 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe I should go up tonight.

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by StrawHatGuy on Nov 18, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Thankfully SU is handling this completely different from PSU

The more information that comes out the better I feel about the situation. I felt the exact opposite with Penn State. The University did a complete investigation in 2005, both ESPN and the Police couldn’t corroborate the story back then and chose not to act, and there are reasons to doubt the accusers and their motives. My only worry is the Police investigating two claims that have blown the NY Statute of Limitations. I hope this is an overreaction (rightfully so) to the Penn State situation, and not a reason to think there are more potential accusers out there. So far, kudos to Chancellor Cantor and the University for their handling of this.

by upstateNYYFan1984 on Nov 18, 2011 9:46 AM EST reply actions  

Re: statute of limitations

5 years after the child’s 18th birthday. He first came forward when he was 32. A little late and I don’t fault the police for declining to persue the matter without additional victims. However, and I’m not a lawyer, but I think he still could have filed a civil suit against Syracuse. Also, since davis was a teenager at the time, according to him, I’m not sure if there is a difference in the statute of limitations between statutory rape and sexual assault on a child.

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by Fly Rodder on Nov 18, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

IMO

There shouldn’t be a statute of limitations on such crimes. Kids are easily intimidated and that doesn’t go away the second they turn 18 or even 5 years after. People who do these things should be held accountable no matter how much time has passed.

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by FeloniousPhunk on Nov 18, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I’d say the best way to do it would be 10 years after the victim’s 18th birthday. In this kind of case, where there’s not going to be any physical evidence, it’d be very difficult not to have a statute of limitations and still be fair.

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by wildcatlh on Nov 18, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Or in the case of the PSU

The former DA, I think, that conducted the first Sandusky investigation is now dead, which hinders investigations.

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by Fly Rodder on Nov 18, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I think that there's rarely physical evidence

Think of it this way. A kid is allegedly abused when he’s 12 but doesn’t tell anyone until he’s 21. Still within the statute of limitations. But how is that any more or less fair than of a someone waits until they’re 30? It’s still nearly a decade in between.

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by FeloniousPhunk on Nov 18, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

True enough

and there are laws being considered to remove the statute of limitations for these crimes. But, at the time, there is a statute of limitations and if the police can’t prosecute then they can’t really investigate, but they did talk to the University. SU isn’t necessarily bound by statute of limitations, and they did investigate and couldn’t find any evidence despite claims otherwise.

So I don’t think that it’s the former SUbasketball player Police Chief, in an effort to protect Bernie Fine, waved his hands and said, “sorry kid, nothing we can do for you, statue of limitations and all that.” Which is exactly what is being implied in some of these stories.

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by Fly Rodder on Nov 18, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Duval being Police Chief

Is really, really irrelevant. The statute of limitations would be different if someone who didn’t play bball here before Boeheim was head coach were detective? Just a stupid tidbit that is trying to sway public opinion into believing this was a Penn State-like cover-up by a multitude of people.

And there was more than just an investigation that yielded nothing despite claims otherwise- those claims otherwise were that there were four people who would vouch for the accuser. Zero of the four did. There weren’t just “claims otherwise”, there were opposing claims that the investigation found to be bullshit.

by cuse2012 on Nov 18, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.

A statute of limitations on these kinds of charges shouldn’t exist anywhere. Sometimes it can take over a decade just to deal with abuse internally, much less being able to face your fears head on.

Clear eyes, full bologna sandwiches!

by NOLACuse on Nov 18, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

At the risk of sounding like I'm in denial

Someone had mentioned a timeline issue in one of the other threads. This guy claims that he was abused until he was 27. Now, I’m not saying that’s not possible. But, at that time, Fine has to be a 50-something year old man. If he’s trying to touch you and you’re in your 20’s…knock his old @$$ the F*ck out. I’m sure there are cases of adult men being abused by older adult men, especially if the abuse begins early in life. But I would tend to think its rare, which strains the credibility of the claims.

Then, look at the timing of when he comes out. 2003, right after a national title, for maximum media exposure. Now, after the Sandusky episode, when this type of thing is in the public eye. On top of that, the fact that he went to the media first strains credibility as well. The Sandusky didn’t break until after he was arrested. So, there was significant police work done before the story broke. But getting himself on ESPN before going to police makes his claims look more than a little sketchy. Now, I understand that he’s reluctant to go to the police because they hadn’t helped him in the past. But, all going to the media first does is make everyone look bad, including the alleged victim.

All that being said, if it turns out to be true (I’m not a religious person, but hope to God it’s not) I think we’ve all learned that there’s only one way to go…blow up the program. Everyone has to go. The only people who would be safe might be the Doc and the Nancellor, simply by virtue of the fact that they weren’t there at the time. Again, I hope to God it’s just a nut job with daddy issues, but as much as I love Syracuse basketball, blowing up the program is the only option left in the post-Sandusky world.

"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes

by FeloniousPhunk on Nov 18, 2011 10:10 AM EST reply actions  

I really like SU's response thus far.

And I have been surprised by Boeheim’s fire. It gives me hope because would he be so strong with his statements if there was any doubt at all?

Clear eyes, full bologna sandwiches!

by NOLACuse on Nov 18, 2011 10:26 AM EST reply actions  

I don't doubt that

If something happened, Boeheim didn’t know. But, at the same time, I don’t think that would be enough to save his job either. A head coach should know what’s going on in his program at all times, especially in this case since a basketball program is a much smaller entity than a football program.

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by FeloniousPhunk on Nov 18, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

This kid was an athlete too

He had the opportunity to play basketball overseas. Not sure if he ever did but I know he had the chance. At age 27 he could have easily pushed Bernie away. I know people would argue from a psychological standpoint that he was overpowered but that is crap. If I didn’t want to be abused anymore and am a 6’3" athlete I’d go crazy on the guy.

by Guinness8 on Nov 18, 2011 10:49 AM EST reply actions  

There is no way you can know that for a fact.

If Fine was abusing him from the age of 14, Fine would have a very powerful affect on him. Strong or not, the psychological aspects at work are not crap at all. They are very real and very believable. Fear and trauma can seriously hinder what would otherwise be a simple physical reaction.

Clear eyes, full bologna sandwiches!

by NOLACuse on Nov 18, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I have to say, in my experience Chancy Nancy was terrible in a crisis

but this statement is pitch-perfect. Well done.

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by chrisbee13 on Nov 18, 2011 4:16 PM EST reply actions  

hmmm

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