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The 2011-12 team vs. the 2009-10 team
I can't help but get excited about this year's basketball team. Even though they haven't played anyone great yet, and there's probably still a lot of areas for them to improve upon, count me among the believers in this team (note: I was very skeptical just a few weeks ago, and didn't think we belonged in the top 5).
I keep thinking about how this team compares to the 2009-10 team, which did not have the same expectations, but came out of the gates flying and gave us one hell of a season - despite the early ending. So I decided to look through some box scores and compare the numbers through the first three games of each season. Turns out, they were even more similar than I had thought.
A couple major differences to note before we jump into the stats below: Syracuse played Cal for its third game in 2009, a much more formidable foe than anyone on the 2011 slate thus far. The Orange actually ran a pretty similar 10-man rotation in the first two games in 2009, but Boeheim started cutting back minutes for Southerland and Riley against Cal. I looked at the first 10 guys in terms of minutes played for both teams for most of the analysis.
Overall through three games, the scores were shockingly similar.
2009-10: 90.0-58.7
2011-12: 89.3-61.0
Now I'm going to post a lot of numbers on here that might make your brain hurt, so if you're not a fan of this, you can probably stop reading now. First, we'll look at player by player in the 10-man rotation:
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Mins |
Pts |
Rebs |
A |
Blk |
TO |
S |
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2009-10 |
Jackson |
23.3 |
9.3 |
5.3 |
2.7 |
2.3 |
2.0 |
0.7 |
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2011-12 |
Christmas |
18.0 |
6.0 |
4.0 |
0.0 |
1.0 |
1.3 |
0.7 |
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2009-10 |
Johnson |
29.3 |
14.7 |
7.3 |
1.3 |
3.0 |
3.0 |
3.3 |
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2011-12 |
Joseph |
25.0 |
16.7 |
5.3 |
0.7 |
0.3 |
1.0 |
0.7 |
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2009-10 |
Onuaku |
22.3 |
13.3 |
3.3 |
0.7 |
1.0 |
1.0 |
0.7 |
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2011-12 |
Fab |
19.3 |
7.7 |
6.7 |
0.7 |
2.7 |
1.7 |
0.3 |
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2009-10 |
Rautins |
21.7 |
10.0 |
2.0 |
4.0 |
0.0 |
1.3 |
3.3 |
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2011-12 |
Scoop |
16.3 |
4.7 |
1.7 |
3.0 |
0.0 |
1.3 |
1.3 |
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2009-10 |
Triche |
20.0 |
9.7 |
2.7 |
3.7 |
0.0 |
3.0 |
2.0 |
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2011-12 |
Triche |
19.7 |
9.0 |
3.7 |
3.3 |
0.3 |
2.7 |
0.0 |
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2009-10 |
Jardine |
22.0 |
13.3 |
2.3 |
6.3 |
0.0 |
1.7 |
2.7 |
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2011-12 |
Waiters |
20.3 |
13.0 |
0.7 |
4.0 |
0.3 |
0.7 |
2.0 |
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2009-10 |
Joseph |
26.3 |
8.0 |
6.0 |
2.0 |
0.7 |
2.3 |
1.3 |
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2011-12 |
Southerland |
20.7 |
13.7 |
5.0 |
2.0 |
0.7 |
0.3 |
1.3 |
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2009-10 |
Mookie |
11.3 |
6.3 |
2.3 |
0.7 |
0.0 |
1.0 |
0.3 |
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2011-12 |
Fair |
23.0 |
6.3 |
6.7 |
1.3 |
0.3 |
1.7 |
2.3 |
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2009-10 |
Riley |
9.7 |
1.7 |
3.3 |
0.7 |
1.3 |
1.0 |
0.0 |
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2011-12 |
Keita |
11.3 |
6.0 |
3.3 |
0.3 |
1.3 |
0.3 |
0.0 |
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2009-10 |
Southerland |
8.7 |
3.0 |
1.7 |
0.3 |
1.3 |
1.7 |
1.7 |
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2011-12 |
Carter-Williams |
17.7 |
4.3 |
2.7 |
2.7 |
0.7 |
1.3 |
1.3 |
Now, how about some deeper comparisons ...
|
Year |
Category |
Mins |
Pts |
Rebs |
Asst |
Blk |
TO |
Steals |
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2009-10 |
Starting 5 |
116.7 |
57.0 |
20.7 |
12.3 |
6.3 |
10.3 |
10.0 |
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2011-12 |
Starting 5 |
98.3 |
44.1 |
21.4 |
7.7 |
4.3 |
8.0 |
3.0 |
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2009-10 |
Next 5 |
78.0 |
32.3 |
15.7 |
10.0 |
3.3 |
7.7 |
6.0 |
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2011-12 |
Next 5 |
93.0 |
43.3 |
18.4 |
10.3 |
3.3 |
4.3 |
7.0 |
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2009-10 |
Starting Fs |
75.0 |
37.3 |
16.0 |
4.7 |
6.3 |
6.0 |
4.7 |
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2011-12 |
Starting Fs |
62.3 |
30.4 |
16.0 |
1.3 |
4.0 |
4.0 |
1.7 |
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2009-10 |
Starting Gs |
41.7 |
19.7 |
4.7 |
7.7 |
0.0 |
4.3 |
5.3 |
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2011-12 |
Starting Gs |
36.0 |
13.7 |
5.4 |
6.3 |
0.3 |
4.0 |
1.3 |
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2009-10 |
Backup Fs |
44.7 |
12.7 |
11.0 |
3.0 |
3.3 |
5.0 |
3.0 |
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2011-12 |
Backup Fs |
55.0 |
26.0 |
15.0 |
3.7 |
2.3 |
2.3 |
3.7 |
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2009-10 |
Backup Gs |
33.3 |
19.7 |
4.7 |
7.0 |
0.0 |
2.7 |
3.0 |
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2011-12 |
Backup Gs |
38.0 |
17.3 |
3.4 |
6.7 |
1.0 |
2.0 |
3.3 |
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2009-10 |
All Fs |
119.7 |
50.0 |
27.0 |
7.7 |
9.7 |
11.0 |
7.7 |
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2011-12 |
All Fs |
117.3 |
56.4 |
31.0 |
5.0 |
6.3 |
6.3 |
5.3 |
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2009-10 |
All Gs |
75.0 |
39.3 |
9.3 |
14.7 |
0.0 |
7.0 |
8.3 |
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2011-12 |
All Gs |
74.0 |
31.0 |
8.8 |
13.0 |
1.3 |
6.0 |
4.7 |
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2009-10 |
All 10 |
194.7 |
89.3 |
36.3 |
22.3 |
9.7 |
18.0 |
16.0 |
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2011-12 |
All 10 |
191.3 |
87.4 |
39.8 |
18.0 |
7.7 |
12.3 |
10.0 |
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2009-10 |
Jackson/Onuaku |
45.67 |
22.67 |
8.67 |
3.33 |
3.33 |
3.00 |
1.33 |
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2011-12 |
Fab/Christmas |
37.30 |
13.70 |
10.70 |
0.67 |
3.67 |
3.00 |
1.00 |
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2009-10 |
Rautins/Triche |
41.67 |
19.67 |
4.67 |
7.67 |
0.00 |
4.33 |
5.33 |
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2011-12 |
Scoop/Triche |
36.00 |
13.70 |
5.40 |
6.33 |
0.33 |
4.00 |
1.33 |
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2009-10 |
Wes |
29.33 |
14.67 |
7.33 |
1.33 |
3.00 |
3.00 |
3.33 |
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2011-12 |
KrisJo |
25.00 |
16.70 |
5.30 |
0.67 |
0.33 |
1.00 |
0.67 |
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2009-10 |
Scoop/Kris |
48.33 |
21.33 |
8.33 |
8.33 |
0.67 |
4.00 |
4.00 |
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2011-12 |
Southerland/Waiters |
41.00 |
26.70 |
5.70 |
6.00 |
1.00 |
1.00 |
3.33 |
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2011-12 |
Southerland/Fair |
43.70 |
20.00 |
11.70 |
3.33 |
1.00 |
2.00 |
3.67 |
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2011-12 |
Waiters/Fair |
43.30 |
19.30 |
7.40 |
5.33 |
0.67 |
2.33 |
4.33 |
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2009-10 |
Top 7 |
165.00 |
78.33 |
29.00 |
20.67 |
7.00 |
14.33 |
14.00 |
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2011-12 |
Top 7 |
139.30 |
70.80 |
27.10 |
13.67 |
5.33 |
9.00 |
6.33 |
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2009-10 |
Top 8 |
176.33 |
84.67 |
31.33 |
21.33 |
7.00 |
15.33 |
14.33 |
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2011-12 |
Top 8 |
162.30 |
77.10 |
33.80 |
15.00 |
5.67 |
10.67 |
8.67 |
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2009-10 |
Team |
200.0 |
90.0 |
40.3 |
22.7 |
9.7 |
18.7 |
16.0 |
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2011-12 |
Team |
200.0 |
89.3 |
44.7 |
18.7 |
7.7 |
13.3 |
11.0 |
My take: First the obvious points ... the current team is significantly deeper than its predecessor (duh). The bench scoring is more important to this year's team, and the 2009-10 team relied more on its starters.
Less obvious: While Fab and Christmas will probably never score like Arinze and Rick Jackson, they are actually out-rebounding and blocking better than the twin towers from 2009-10. Also, Kris Joseph is at least offsetting Wes Johnson's offensive numbers, while the rest of the team is picking up the rebounding slack.
Lastly: That 2009-10 team had a TON of steals. Not sure anyone on this team is capable of that. But, this year's team is also turning the ball over at a much lower rate, so they don't need as many steals to offset that.
Did I miss anything important? Was this just a way for me to waste three hours at work (probably)?
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