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The 2011-12 team vs. the 2009-10 team

I can't help but get excited about this year's basketball team. Even though they haven't played anyone great yet, and there's probably still a lot of areas for them to improve upon, count me among the believers in this team (note: I was very skeptical just a few weeks ago, and didn't think we belonged in the top 5).

I keep thinking about how this team compares to the 2009-10 team, which did not have the same expectations, but came out of the gates flying and gave us one hell of a season - despite the early ending. So I decided to look through some box scores and compare the numbers through the first three games of each season. Turns out, they were even more similar than I had thought.

A couple major differences to note before we jump into the stats below: Syracuse played Cal for its third game in 2009, a much more formidable foe than anyone on the 2011 slate thus far. The Orange actually ran a pretty similar 10-man rotation in the first two games in 2009, but Boeheim started cutting back minutes for Southerland and Riley against Cal. I looked at the first 10 guys in terms of minutes played for both teams for most of the analysis.

Overall through three games, the scores were shockingly similar.

2009-10: 90.0-58.7

2011-12: 89.3-61.0

Now I'm going to post a lot of numbers on here that might make your brain hurt, so if you're not a fan of this, you can probably stop reading now. First, we'll look at player by player in the 10-man rotation:

 

 

Mins

Pts

Rebs

A

Blk

TO

S

2009-10

Jackson

23.3

9.3

5.3

2.7

2.3

2.0

0.7

2011-12

Christmas

18.0

6.0

4.0

0.0

1.0

1.3

0.7

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2009-10

Johnson

29.3

14.7

7.3

1.3

3.0

3.0

3.3

2011-12

Joseph

25.0

16.7

5.3

0.7

0.3

1.0

0.7

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2009-10

Onuaku

22.3

13.3

3.3

0.7

1.0

1.0

0.7

2011-12

Fab

19.3

7.7

6.7

0.7

2.7

1.7

0.3

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2009-10

Rautins

21.7

10.0

2.0

4.0

0.0

1.3

3.3

2011-12

Scoop

16.3

4.7

1.7

3.0

0.0

1.3

1.3

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2009-10

Triche

20.0

9.7

2.7

3.7

0.0

3.0

2.0

2011-12

Triche

19.7

9.0

3.7

3.3

0.3

2.7

0.0

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2009-10

Jardine

22.0

13.3

2.3

6.3

0.0

1.7

2.7

2011-12

Waiters

20.3

13.0

0.7

4.0

0.3

0.7

2.0

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2009-10

Joseph

26.3

8.0

6.0

2.0

0.7

2.3

1.3

2011-12

Southerland

20.7

13.7

5.0

2.0

0.7

0.3

1.3

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2009-10

Mookie

11.3

6.3

2.3

0.7

0.0

1.0

0.3

2011-12

Fair

23.0

6.3

6.7

1.3

0.3

1.7

2.3

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2009-10

Riley

9.7

1.7

3.3

0.7

1.3

1.0

0.0

2011-12

Keita

11.3

6.0

3.3

0.3

1.3

0.3

0.0

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2009-10

Southerland

8.7

3.0

1.7

0.3

1.3

1.7

1.7

2011-12

Carter-Williams

17.7

4.3

2.7

2.7

0.7

1.3

1.3

Now, how about some deeper comparisons ...

Year

Category

Mins

Pts

Rebs

Asst

Blk

TO

Steals

2009-10

Starting 5

116.7

57.0

20.7

12.3

6.3

10.3

10.0

2011-12

Starting 5

98.3

44.1

21.4

7.7

4.3

8.0

3.0

2009-10

Next 5

78.0

32.3

15.7

10.0

3.3

7.7

6.0

2011-12

Next 5

93.0

43.3

18.4

10.3

3.3

4.3

7.0

2009-10

Starting Fs

75.0

37.3

16.0

4.7

6.3

6.0

4.7

2011-12

Starting Fs

62.3

30.4

16.0

1.3

4.0

4.0

1.7

2009-10

Starting Gs

41.7

19.7

4.7

7.7

0.0

4.3

5.3

2011-12

Starting Gs

36.0

13.7

5.4

6.3

0.3

4.0

1.3

2009-10

Backup Fs

44.7

12.7

11.0

3.0

3.3

5.0

3.0

2011-12

Backup Fs

55.0

26.0

15.0

3.7

2.3

2.3

3.7

2009-10

Backup Gs

33.3

19.7

4.7

7.0

0.0

2.7

3.0

2011-12

Backup Gs

38.0

17.3

3.4

6.7

1.0

2.0

3.3

2009-10

All Fs

119.7

50.0

27.0

7.7

9.7

11.0

7.7

2011-12

All Fs

117.3

56.4

31.0

5.0

6.3

6.3

5.3

2009-10

All Gs

75.0

39.3

9.3

14.7

0.0

7.0

8.3

2011-12

All Gs

74.0

31.0

8.8

13.0

1.3

6.0

4.7

2009-10

All 10

194.7

89.3

36.3

22.3

9.7

18.0

16.0

2011-12

All 10

191.3

87.4

39.8

18.0

7.7

12.3

10.0

2009-10

Jackson/Onuaku

45.67

22.67

8.67

3.33

3.33

3.00

1.33

2011-12

Fab/Christmas

37.30

13.70

10.70

0.67

3.67

3.00

1.00

2009-10

Rautins/Triche

41.67

19.67

4.67

7.67

0.00

4.33

5.33

2011-12

Scoop/Triche

36.00

13.70

5.40

6.33

0.33

4.00

1.33

2009-10

Wes

29.33

14.67

7.33

1.33

3.00

3.00

3.33

2011-12

KrisJo

25.00

16.70

5.30

0.67

0.33

1.00

0.67

2009-10

Scoop/Kris

48.33

21.33

8.33

8.33

0.67

4.00

4.00

2011-12

Southerland/Waiters

41.00

26.70

5.70

6.00

1.00

1.00

3.33

2011-12

Southerland/Fair

43.70

20.00

11.70

3.33

1.00

2.00

3.67

2011-12

Waiters/Fair

43.30

19.30

7.40

5.33

0.67

2.33

4.33

2009-10

Top 7

165.00

78.33

29.00

20.67

7.00

14.33

14.00

2011-12

Top 7

139.30

70.80

27.10

13.67

5.33

9.00

6.33

2009-10

Top 8

176.33

84.67

31.33

21.33

7.00

15.33

14.33

2011-12

Top 8

162.30

77.10

33.80

15.00

5.67

10.67

8.67

2009-10

Team

200.0

90.0

40.3

22.7

9.7

18.7

16.0

2011-12

Team

200.0

89.3

44.7

18.7

7.7

13.3

11.0

 

My take: First the obvious points ... the current team is significantly deeper than its predecessor (duh). The bench scoring is more important to this year's team, and the 2009-10 team relied more on its starters.

Less obvious: While Fab and Christmas will probably never score like Arinze and Rick Jackson, they are actually out-rebounding and blocking better than the twin towers from 2009-10. Also, Kris Joseph is at least offsetting Wes Johnson's offensive numbers, while the rest of the team is picking up the rebounding slack.

Lastly: That 2009-10 team had a TON of steals. Not sure anyone on this team is capable of that. But, this year's team is also turning the ball over at a much lower rate, so they don't need as many steals to offset that.

Did I miss anything important? Was this just a way for me to waste three hours at work (probably)?

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