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Syracuse 92 - Manhattan 56: Stand And Deliver

The first half of the Syracuse Orange's Monday night laugher against Manhattan had SU fans on their feet clapping.

The second half had Orange fans on their feet clapping as well. Not by choice, most of the time.

The time-honored tradition of clapping before the first SU basket of a half was put to the test when the Orange went almost seven minutes before scoring in their otherwise-uneventful 92-56 thrashing of the Jaspers.

BTW, those of us who survived that 12-minute scoring drought to start a game against Providence in '98 or '99 aren't impressed by your complaining.

Fab Melo didn't take over the game statistically, though his 11 point, 9 rebound, 4 block performance was impressive. However, it just seemed like Fab was anywhere and everywhere in this game. He somehow found himself involved in every play, for better or worse, in the first half. Maybe it wasn't all pretty, but it was pretty impressive to watch the big man move. It's way too early to start talking about Most Improved Player awards but Fab is lining himself up swimmingly.

Dion Waiters came alive as well, leading the Orange with 17 points in 19 minutes of action. The first guard off the bench is making a serious case to enter the starting line-up, if that even matters really. Brandon Triche posted 12 points while Scoop Jardine laid a goose-egg in the scoring department and took a backseat as his teammates took over. Scoop has said he's willing to do whatever it takes to win and knowing when it's not your night is part of that.

Not to be forgotten, James Southerland added 15 points, six rebounds and four assists in 19 minutes of action. C.J. Fair also put together a pretty complete game with five points, six rebounds, two assists and five steals.

Star-divide

Kris Joseph scored 15 points and eclipsed the 1,000 career point mark in the first half, becoming the 55th player in program history to do so.

"It means a lot to me," said Joseph of reaching the milestone. "Growing up, I always told myself whatever college I go to, I want to be a part of that club. It is a great honor and an elite club to be a part of. Fortunately enough, I was able to do it here at Syracuse University."

The only thing left for Joseph to do is just start wearing pants during a game, which he obviously seems to want to do.

The way the Orange were shooting in the first half, it's surprising no one else broke the 1,000 point barrier. The Orange shot shot 57.9 percent from the floor over the first 20 minutes, while converting 16 Jaspers turnovers into 22 points.

Syracuse now moves on to play the Albany Great Danes, who defeated Brown earlier in the day, Tuesday night at 7pm in the 2nd round of the NIT Season Tip-Off. The winner moves to Madison Square Garden whee they'll face either Virginia Tech or the winner of George Mason/FIU (full NIT bracket).

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My favorite thing about this game,

was that they never let up in the scoring dept as they have in years past. They fought for every basket and didn’t seem to let up on the defense.

Secondly, playing against the press in a game situation was good for future match ups against Louisville this year. While it was not as active as L’ville, I felt it was good for the team to get some work against it.

Thirdly, the M2M play is good, not great. I saw players loose their man every once in a while, but at least some rotations were happening to pick up the slack. It is a great change of pace from when teams are shooting well over the zone.

by Gregory Tuers on Nov 14, 2011 11:35 PM EST reply actions  

I like the man to man

but wonder if they’ll ever use it in a meaningful game for more than a possession or so at a time. MCW and Dion(!!!) seem really active in the man to man, but Fab and (to a lesser extent) Christmas kind of seem lost out there in the M2M.

But regardless, the press needs to stay. This team has the depth to play an aggressive press and commit a few fouls – they can stick Keita or Sutherland(? or Christmas?) as the anchor and just tell them “no easy buckets, block or foul” à la McNeil in 2003. The press was such a huge weapon that year…

It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.

by Girardi Party on Nov 15, 2011 12:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I think we play better offense out of the zone.

This whole man to man vs. zone thing has gotten so overblown and out of control at Syracuse amongst fans ( and the rabble rousers) that I think sometimes man to man gets in the players heads. I think they are so focused on D when they play it they get up tight on the other end.

Not a scientific observation by any means, but just sayin’,

by NoXCUSE99 on Nov 15, 2011 7:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't disagree

and PLEASE don’t think I’m one of those morons who calls Brent Axe three times a week asking when Boeheim’s gonna play a gurd-danged man defense. Clearly the zone will be great this year and will be their base defense.

But I’ll defend my point about the press against all comers until this team proves they can’t successfully execute it against legit competition. (And I hope they don’t!)

It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.

by Girardi Party on Nov 15, 2011 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Better offense out of the zone

It a product of teh fact that it’s easier to run out of. The guards are already out in position to get outlet passes.

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by FeloniousPhunk on Nov 15, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

In fairness...

Syracuse scored 8 pts on FTs during that stretch to start the 2nd half.

The only real negatives from this game are that Scoop was a no-show and the team shot 15-25 (60%) from the FT line.

Very pleased with where the team is at this point.

by DMF on Nov 14, 2011 11:43 PM EST reply actions  

Many people want to point out what Syracuse lacks

a true go-to guy to score, or a dominant 3 point shooter (I’m looking at you, ridiculous SI preview). What this team has is 7-8 players who can score on any posession, and at least 8 players that can hit a 3 pointer (counting Mookie and not counting Cooney). Watching the subs come in like hockey lines left me giddy, and I just pray Boeheim keeps the faith to run out 9-11 guys the whole season. And when you see the cameraderie and the obvious dedication that Melo, Waiters, and Fair have put into their offseasons, it makes this a very likeable team to root for. I’m simply over-excited for this season.

Victor Cruz is the 2011 Ahmad Bradshaw. He giveth, and he taketh away.

by bigbluethruandthru on Nov 14, 2011 11:47 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I’m simply over-excited for this season!

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by 'CuseRugby on Nov 15, 2011 1:16 AM EST up reply actions  

For now I will still agree that we lack a 3 point sharpshooter

But as far as a go to guy to score, I think KJ fits the bill. I think by the end of the season you might just be able to put Waiters into that category as well.

by NoXCUSE99 on Nov 15, 2011 6:59 AM EST up reply actions  

A sharpshooter?

maybe not. But you can key on one guy if he’s the only sharpshooter. Now if there are four guys that can step back and hit a three on the floor at the same time? Much harder to defend.

Victor Cruz is the 2011 Ahmad Bradshaw. He giveth, and he taketh away.

by bigbluethruandthru on Nov 15, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed about the shooters

They trotted out a small lineup of two guards, Fair, Joseph, and Southerland at some point during the Fordham game and my buddy commented that “every guy on the floor right now is a legit threat from three.” Simply cannot remember a time in Syracuse basketball when that’s been the case, having three forwards who are legitimately good shooters. (Granted, that’s not really Fair’s game but word is his shot’s improved.)

It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.

by Girardi Party on Nov 15, 2011 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Five players in double figures tonight...

Something we havent seen since the 09-10 season with scoop and kj off the bench

by PointBlankPeriodPeriod on Nov 15, 2011 12:09 AM EST reply actions  

OK, when we got to the Under 16 timeout in the 2nd half and still didn’t score, the announcer chick (I forget who it was) said something to the effect of Manhattan trying to come back since we didn’t have a FG yet. Did she not notice that we had outscored Manhattan 7-2 in the half to that point, without a FG? That really annoyed me. She had no fucking clue.

Go Cuse!

by nymetsfan1226 on Nov 15, 2011 12:11 AM EST reply actions  

"Announcer chick"? Whats that all about.

Dude you are never going to score the trim if you have a problem with woman to begin with.

by NoXCUSE99 on Nov 15, 2011 7:52 AM EST up reply actions  

To be fair

She is the basketball Pam Ward (Beth Mowlins)

by Nick Petrilli on Nov 15, 2011 7:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Beth Mowins

Is also a Syracuse native and got her Masters from SU.

by GrossSuperman on Nov 15, 2011 9:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I never had a problem with Mowlins

as much as Ward… she’s good on football games and I tend to like her better than Doris Burke… but man, her voice is REALLY similar to Pam’s and that must make it tough for her to get taken seriously haha

It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.

by Girardi Party on Nov 15, 2011 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

*Mowins

It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.

by Girardi Party on Nov 15, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

My point was that she at one time said Manahattan was winning the 2nd half when we still didn't have a field goal...

…yet we had still outscored them in the 2nd half to that point, without the benefit of a FG.

Go Cuse!

by nymetsfan1226 on Nov 15, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude

As if “score the trim” is the political correctness that most women like to hear.

Dictated, but not read.

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by ezcuse on Nov 15, 2011 8:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Beth Mowins

C-NS grad from Liverpool. Shocked when I found out she’s a local product, just didn’t go to SU, played womens basketball at Lafayette College

Since the early 1990's I have not been able to get Mike Hopkins' bloody face out of my brain. I don't remember what game it was but I'll never forget that as my first memory of SU basketball. Mike Hopkins, bloody face, bloody nose, all for the love of Syracuse.

by JFerg393 on Nov 15, 2011 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

SU

She got her Masters from SU.

by GrossSuperman on Nov 15, 2011 9:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah you're right

forgot about that. Correction, Beth Mowins is an SU grad

Since the early 1990's I have not been able to get Mike Hopkins' bloody face out of my brain. I don't remember what game it was but I'll never forget that as my first memory of SU basketball. Mike Hopkins, bloody face, bloody nose, all for the love of Syracuse.

by JFerg393 on Nov 15, 2011 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

And not to mention

she isn’t Doris Burke. Any game we don’t have Doris Burke is a win in my opinion. Or Len Elmore for that matter.

by GrossSuperman on Nov 15, 2011 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I can't stand Len

something about his style of commenting irks me, seems like he’s a backhanded hater of SU whenever he’s doing our games. Just the vibe I get. I’d take Gus Johnson, even though he announces every time were upset prone, any day of the week over Len. Too bad Gus is with Fox Sports now…

Since the early 1990's I have not been able to get Mike Hopkins' bloody face out of my brain. I don't remember what game it was but I'll never forget that as my first memory of SU basketball. Mike Hopkins, bloody face, bloody nose, all for the love of Syracuse.

by JFerg393 on Nov 15, 2011 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Syracuse versus Albany?

Is it lacrosse season already?

'Cuse 2010, Michigan 2012

by Orange22 on Nov 15, 2011 12:17 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Winner gets

Hobart

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by Sean Keeley on Nov 15, 2011 12:58 AM EST up reply actions  

side note:

I will be traveling to John Hopkins this weekend to hopefully watch their football team choke in DIII NCAA Playoff game

by MarshallSt on Nov 15, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Fisher's playing them, right?

Good luck

Shut up brain or I'll stab you with a Q-tip

by MrPlow99 on Nov 15, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

They have a football team?

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by Sean Keeley on Nov 15, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, it's D3

I heard on YNN the other night that a local team (I think St John Fisher) was playing at Hopkins in the Div III playoffs this weekend.

Shut up brain or I'll stab you with a Q-tip

by MrPlow99 on Nov 15, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea SJFC Cardinals will be making the trip down to Baltimore

Would love to watch the Colgate game, but since my brother plays for Fisher I’ll be making the trip.

It will be nice to root against the Blue Jays in something other than Lax. Still may yell out some Petro jokes at the game though

by MarshallSt on Nov 15, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm loving the approach on D so far

Some of the guys seems to have really bought into the man to man and are playing some aggressive D (Waiters, MCW, Southerland among others), which has resulted in some easy buckets. That mentality needs to continue, especially if we do actually see some more man this year.

I think this team really needs to force the turnovers and push the ball offensively. They are going to struggle in the half court game from time to time and need to create easier opportunities. Playing aggressive D will really lead to more transition buckets.

This group has a lot of length and covers a lot of ground defensively even though none of our guys are super quick.

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by Kurupt on Nov 15, 2011 1:24 AM EST reply actions  

??
even though none of our guys are super quick.

did you happen to catch Waiters coast to coast slam in the 2nd half? Sure it was Manhattan but it was fast and sweet. I rewound and watched in slo-mo. did I already say sweet?

by OrangeUglad on Nov 15, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

What we know

It’s early in the season. And through 2 exhibtion games and 2 regular season games, all against vastly inferior teams in terms of athleticism and talent, it’s hard to extrapolate too many things about this team. But here’s what we know:
1. Fab Melo lost 30 pounds and is WAY more active this season. He gets up and down the court in way he never could last year. #Drink
2. Dion Waiters lost 10 pounds and is now able to finish fast breaks with decisive dunks instead of getting his shot blocked on an awkward finger roll. He also appears to have rededicated himself to the team and is intent on contributing, even if it’s off the bench. #Drink
3. CJ Fair has the ability to knock down the open 3 and Jim Boeheim has given his consent for him to take the shot. He’s quickly becoming a matchup nightmare and continues to fill up the box score with rebounds, steals, and blocks, plus all the intangibles.
4. For those, myself included, who had already written off James Southerland as the odd man out in the rotation after the first two exhibition games, he has put together back to back strong performances. I’m not sure how much of a role he’ll play, but I think it’s too soon to write him off completely.
5. Cooney is redshirting the season.
6. This is the deepest team Jim Boeheim has had in a long time, maybe ever. #Drink I don’t know if he’ll play 10 guys consistently during the season, but it’s a pretty safe bet that at least 9 guys will be seeing regular minutes.
7. Not sure that we have an ace shooter, but 7 of the 10 guys likely to see minutes are capable of knocking down the 3.

As far as Scoop, Triche, KJ, Christmas, the effectiveness of the zone, whether we’ll play man, who will be on the floor at the end of the game, who will take our last shot, how we’ll respond to adversity, whether we’ll knock down shots consistently, etc. etc. etc. – I don’t think we’ll know till November 23rd (at the earliest) and more likely December 2nd. Lots of questions, but frankly, I’m excited to find out the answers.

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by I miss DIAP! on Nov 15, 2011 2:14 AM EST reply actions  

Cuse frontline

Fab: 11 pt 9 reb 4 blk
Baye: 4 pt 4 reb 1 blk
Christmas: 4 pt 2 reb 2 blk
Joseph: 15 pt 7 reb 1 blk
Southerland: 15 pt 6 reb 1 blk 4 ast
Fair: 6 pt 6 reb 5 stl

Frontcourt total: 55 pt 34 reb 9 blk 7 stl 8 ast
Manhattan total points: 56

by PointBlankPeriodPeriod on Nov 15, 2011 2:53 AM EST reply actions  

That’s pretty flippin impressive.

Other people look, Andy Rautins can SEE.

by FatK44 on Nov 15, 2011 6:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Waiters is going to be a boss

This kid matured a lot. That one play where he took a bad shot, missed, hustled up court, stole the ball back, and took it in for a jam was legit. He could have just as easily pouted for a split second after missing the finger roll and not had any shot at getting the ball back.

Just seeing Fab being able to play more than 2 minutes without gasping like a fish is hope inspiring.

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by Fly Rodder on Nov 15, 2011 7:42 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Fab may actually be TOO ACTIVE

He moves around so much out there I think sometimes he is a little spastic. But what a difference.

by NoXCUSE99 on Nov 15, 2011 7:47 AM EST up reply actions  

It's just nice to not have him fouled out

at the 16 min mark.

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by 'CuseRugby on Nov 15, 2011 8:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Last season it almost

seemed like he started the game with two fouls, just like ARod basically starts every at bat 0-2. Fab’s improvement is marked and he’ll keep getting better.

It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.

by Girardi Party on Nov 15, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Does that mean ARod

wont be a strikeout extraordinaire next year? Please?

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by 'CuseRugby on Nov 15, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't get the sense

he has a clue what he’s doing when they play man especially, he’s constantly losing his man/out of position.

It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.

by Girardi Party on Nov 15, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

He’s only ever played Zone in basketball. His HS played almost all 2-3 Zone, and last year we played Zone exclusively.

by Dan Lyons on Nov 15, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Good problems to have

Last year, did you ever think someone would say:

Fab may actually be TOO ACTIVE

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by I miss DIAP! on Nov 15, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

clapping to start the half

I remember being at a game vs Miami in the 90’s (Constatine Popa was playing for them) and it seemed like we stood for a good 12 or 14 minutes before SU scored.

by tazphan23 on Nov 15, 2011 9:15 AM EST reply actions  

The number of fouls called

in the first 9:00 minutes of the second half was BRUTAL. At the 16:00 timeout there were already 10 fouls called, plus the delay to review Melo’s elbow. Syracuse was already in the bonus and I believe Manhattan joined them by the 12:00 timeout. Manhattan was clearly employing #OccupyTheKey / Hack-a-Melo and that wasn’t helping the field goal situation. (Nice, though, that we have the depth that foul trouble will probably never really be an issue.)

Also, there was one point where #24 for Manhattan was in the key for legitimately at least seven seconds, on a play he scored on. I was not blown away by the quality of the officiating last night.

It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.

by Girardi Party on Nov 15, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

That Providence game was brutal

It was in ‘99, I believe no field goals through two media timeouts. John Linehan, PC’s 5’8’’ PG kept grabbing offensive rebounds off of missed FTs.

by tommyt330 on Nov 15, 2011 9:21 AM EST reply actions  

Was at that game

It was brutal. That was where you wonder… should I just sit down at this point? My hands were about 64% of the way to chapped and bleeding.

Without Gerry McNamara we wouldn't have won 10 f-- games, not 10

by PoetryInMoten on Nov 15, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I am pretty sure we were ranked at the time too

I’ve been to some pretty terrible games, that was the worst

by tommyt330 on Nov 15, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Quote from the AP recap
“That’s the thing. We’re really dangerous. I didn’t score and we still won by 36 points,” said Jardine, who had one assist, one steal, two turnovers and two rebounds in 15 minutes. “I’m happy to be a part of something like this where it’s not really all on my shoulders. When I contribute, it’s going to be big and it’s going to make us even more dangerous.”

That’s exactly what this team needs. I’m sure Scoop likes getting buckets as much as anyone. But he doesn’t want to have to be the guy all the time. He’ll do it if he has to and, as we’ve seen, the results are mixed. But, as long as guys like Waiters and KJ are playing well, I trust Scoop to know when its his time to shine and when to let someone else take over.

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by FeloniousPhunk on Nov 15, 2011 9:42 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Maybe Bandon and Dion

start and scoop comes off the bench. Crazy?

May Doug Marrone bless you and keep you.

by ryanwk628 on Nov 15, 2011 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Crazy like a fox!

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by 'CuseRugby on Nov 15, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Eh, no

Scoop is the leader and has earned the title (meaningless as it is). And, as long as he’s not throwing the rock around will-nilly, I liek Scoop on the court for his leadership, even if he’s not scoring. That’s just the point. Scoop shouldn’t need to score.

"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes

by FeloniousPhunk on Nov 15, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Speculation on my part here...

But I feel like (and I think we could probably come up with past examples of this) when we have a stacked team, and everyone knows it going into the summer, everyone works hard in the off-season because they know they’re going to be competing for time.

Those decisions are often made (in the early weeks) based on how guys do in practice. You can’t play well in practice if you aren’t in shape. If you’re practicing for 90 minutes or so before you even start scrimmaging 5-on-5, you’ve gotta be in shape. And if you’re gonna look better to than the three other guys who want your spot you’ve got to bring it. Makes for a better work ethic across the board.

by Seadog on Nov 15, 2011 10:01 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah, but

Some people aren’t wired like that ahem, Mookie,ahem. Some people are under the impression that their talent alone is good enough and can’t figure out why they never see the court at game time.

"If I ain't gonna be part of the greatest, I gotta be the greatest myself." Busta Rhymes

by FeloniousPhunk on Nov 15, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Poor Mookie

He gets 20 mins of court time …in his mind.

by Pinker on Nov 15, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Point taken...

Although I’m more referring to the guys who will actually get quality minutes and how the situation may make them all better players.

by Seadog on Nov 15, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

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