Here's How Things Look Through Orange Tinted Glasses
At the bye week, the Syracuse Orange football team is 4-2. It's an extraordinarily ugly 4-2, but 4-2 nonetheless. We could sit here and spew plenty of negativity. If Wake Forest hadn't pulled their (in hindsight) healthy QB, we likely wouldn't have come back to win. We only beat FCS Rhode Island by 7. We beat Toledo with the benefit of a horrific PAT call. And it took a last second FG to beat Tulane. These near-losses make Orange fans all over nervous (or maybe throwing and breaking things), but there's more to look at to truly understand how we should feel about this team.
Looking at least year's football team, they went 7-5 in the regular season, and after the Pinstripe Bowl, we lost a large group of experienced impact seniors (Doug Hogue, Delone Carter, Derrell Smith, Andrew Lewis, Damon Merkerson, Mike Holmes, etc).
Now, let's quickly compare this year's Non-conference to last year's. Last year, SU played Akron, Washington, Maine, Colgate, and Boston College. This year we played Wake Forest, Rhode Island, USC, Toledo, and Tulane. By my estimation:
Wake > BC
Tulane > Akron
USC > Washington
Toledo > Maine
URI = Colgate
And I think there could be a strong argument made that URI is better than Colgate. That's a unanimously more difficult out of conference schedule than the Orange played last year. Last year, SU went 3-2. This year, with a less experienced team and a tougher schedule, they went 4-1. It wasn't a strong 4-1, but I'll remind you of SU Alumnus Al Davis' quote "Just Win, Baby!" Winning pretty is the goal, but for now, an ugly win is better than a loss.
Now, we're at the bye week, with two weeks to deal with all the issues that have plagued this team. There is time to get healthy (Chan Jones, Phil and Shamarko Thomas, I'm looking at you). Every time a Doug Marrone coached SU team has had extra time to gameplan, the result has been a victory. His first season, we played Akron after the bye. Last season, he had the bye before defeating USF, and then extra time before the Pinstripe Bowl. I'm not saying we'll beat West Virginia (I don't think we will), but this team will come out of the bye better than they went in, that I'm sure of.
Finally, let's look to the Big East schedule. Last season, SU went 4-3 in conference. I look ahead at the schedule this year, and see winnable games. Louisville has lost to Marshall and FIU this season; UConn has losses to Western Michigan, Vanderbilt, and Iowa State. Those are road games, but games SU can win. I see USF and Cincinnati coming to the Carrier Dome, and I think this team is good enough to win one of those two games. Then, I see Pitt and West Virginia, likely two losses, but two games we can be competitive in.
There are negatives, Ryan Nassib hasn't developed the way SU fans would like. The receivers haven't been consistent enough. Bailey may or may not be an "every down back." The defense laid an egg against Tulane. But let's look at it this way:
If SU wins 2 games out of Louisville, UConn, Cincy, and USF, they'd be bowl eligible. If they pull out an extra win or a win against Pitt or WV (unlikely), they'd match last season's win total. With a young and injured team and a fairly difficult schedule...6-7 wins would be a great job by Marrone.
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Well said
I think every game will be a struggle for Syracuse for the rest of the year, but as I mentioned in another post, I think 3-3 down the stretch is doable and if this team can go 7-5 again with a bowl berth? Shit, that’s a good year.
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
RESTORE 44!
Big time - I think we can do it.
My greatest fear right now, is 0-6 for the rest of the season – like Rutger’s Big East meltdown last year- but I know we are better than that, so Im pretty comfortable thinking we will get the bowl game this year.
I think the biggest problem is
people thinking progress mandates increased win totals every season. The idea that we won 7 last year, so 8 is the goal this year fails to note that we lost a lot from last season and have a tougher schedule.
But, at the end of the day 6-7 wins and a bowl would be pretty darn good.
Die-hard Mets fan and blogger: http://www.thekingsofqueens.wordpress.com
I'm damn proud of this team
Those 4 wins were not pretty, and were as agonizing as they were exciting. That’s what happens when you’ve got a ton of young, athletic players thrust into action immediately out of HS. The offense turned out to not be as good as we hoped, and the defense has been walking wounded and without it’s best playmaker since week 1. And yet we’re still 4-2, the exact same start we had last season. Like last season, we take that 4-2 record up against WVU, the perennial conference favorite.
One thought I’ve been bouncing around in my head is that does a win vs. WVU seem more unlikely this year than last? I really can’t answer that; last season we were coming off the worst performance of the year and headed into M-town, most of us were just hoping not to get blown out. Whereas this year we I think we’re thinking the same thing: we get to play (perhaps) a better WVU at home, yet we’re coming off of some very unimpressive stretch of games.
But again I’m very proud of this team. We were supposed to lose to USC and beat URI, which is exactly what happened. But when you look as us versus Toledo and Tulane, it is painfully obvious to me that our there is little to virtually no difference in talent between us and them. Wake and Rutgers, IMO, have superior talent, yet we took both to OT and emerged 1-1.
4-2 is right where this team should be. There’s no doubt in my mind that if this was Coach P’s team we’d be 2-4. Gerg’s team we’d be 0-6 and would’ve been blown out in every game except RI.
How we emerge after these two weeks will determine our fate for the rest of the season. We need not beat WVU, but I’d really like to see us put together 4 quarters straight of decent-to-good football on both sides of the ball. That’s all I ask.
BEAT WVU
Sooner or later
We’ll have that 4 quarters game.
Sheesh… when was the last one? I almost want to say Rutgers 2009.
No, Cincinnati last year has to be it. Forced a lot of turnovers and turned them into TDs (rather than FGs and turnovers).
Dictated, but not read.
I think we did well to destroy Akron last year too
I know it was only Akron, but it was the season opener and on the road. Maybe not a perfect game, but it was total domination from start to finish. I was starting to believe we;d do the same to Tulane, the way the game started…
I think we’ll get some better performances this season. We’ve got 6 games spread out over the next 8 weeks…the opportunity is there.
BEAT WVU
by bloodyyank44 on Oct 11, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
YEPPERS!!!
We have to give Marrone at least 5 yrs to get this team where he wants them. If, for some reason, he isn’t able to get to the next level by then, then we can start askinfor someone’s head. But, no matter what happens, this program is WAY ahead of where it was before he got here….
Nice outlook
EXCEPT.exceptexceptexcept!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:
I never think ahead and say “oh we won’t win” or “we probably won’t win.”
It bugs me. Sports are one place you can always dream, where you HAVE to! If I wanted to be realistic about stuff ALL the time, I wouldn’t be sports fan. I would birdwatch. Now, I guess when you’re writing officially for one thing or another, you have to be grounded and whatnot. But I have never, nor ever will say “Syracuse is going to lose” before a game every starts!
/ENDRANT.
:)
Born in '87, Orange fan since '86
True
I was trying not to sound like everything is unicorns and rainbows with the football team (since it clearly isn’t), but there’s a totally reasonable chance we beat WV or Pitt (or any other team on our schedule).
I’ve heard so many people (mostly on radio from the Syracuse area) talking about how Marrone is failing in some way or another to get this team where they need to be, and it’s absolutely absurd. We were due for a backslide due to losing so many seniors, and we’re weathering that storm anyway.
PS: How come no one seems to question Charlie Strong despite Louisville dealing with similar struggles for similar reasons?
Die-hard Mets fan and blogger: http://www.thekingsofqueens.wordpress.com
Marrone should have been given a new contract just for getting to a bowl in his second year.
Takes time to build a football program. All the talking heads that are saying that crap are morons! It’s not like basketball, where you are only corralling around 10 kids. Football teams are HUGE. There is a lot of responsibility that comes along with it, and to do it right takes time. We have had progress. That is 100% obvious. We were spoiled last year and people need to wake the fuck up and realize that the wind is at our back for once. We haven’t made it up the hill, but we are on our way!
LETS GO ORANGE!!!
Born in '87, Orange fan since '86
by StealthTurkey on Oct 10, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
How often do you listen to Lville talk radio?
I bet there are folks lambasting Strong. FloridaSteve probably shows up on Louisville.com too.
Just think… Lville is trying to get into the Big XII too! They must be even more extreme.
Dictated, but not read.
That's a fair point
I wonder whether L’ville fans are as reactive as the SU fans I hear…but I guess there are hypercritical fans everywhere looking for something to complain about.
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