This TCU To Big East Thing Has Legs. Frogs Legs.
by Sean Keeley on Sep 30, 2010 10:56 AM EDT
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When the whole TCU to the Big East thing broke, I was operating under the idea that it was simply a strong-arm tactic b the conference to make Villanova see they better hurry up and jump to FBS for football.As much as TCU is a million times better football program, Nova just fits every other category way better.
Now, with the Ft. Worth Star-Telegram's report that TCU officials have indeed met recently to discuss the move, I'm not so sure.
TCU has met with Big East officials within the past 30 days to discuss the logistics of a move by TCU in either the 2011 or 2012 seasons, according to a source with knowledge of the situation.
TCU athletic director Chris Del Conte has been unavailable for comment while on business in New York and Philadelphia the past few days.
The article does say that Villanova's decision might impact whether or not TCU joins and its not clear if they want Nova in to make it a 10-team conference or if they don't want any other newbies joining the fray. Me? I'd love to have them both. We get the best of both worlds...a traditional, regional Big East team with a foothold in a major Northeastern market and a top-tier football program.
Of course, if TCU comes over a full member, there's the basketball glut issue. Do we kick out someone like DePaul? Or just add one more team to the already over-saturated mix? We'll cross that bridge when we come to it.
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kick, kick, kick
Commence with the kicking. DePaul or Seton Hall are nothing but dead weight. Get ride of ’em.
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by Jamie DeVriend on Sep 30, 2010 11:04 AM EDT reply actions
I'm against this
We cannot afford to add another Big East football team that doesn’t have an SBNation blog… now that Pitt finally got around to it…
Good point
We’ll never be complete. Especially if we then add Memphis and East Carolina.
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by Sean Keeley on Sep 30, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm hoping it happens.
Nova could easily still join and adding TCU in football would totally worth adding them in basketball. Plus, with being in a BCS conference they should have better staying power (they could still schedule some close-to-home OOC games to appease recruits’ families), so I wouldn’t be worried about their football fading too much. And I hope to all hell the BE drops some dead weight if they make this move. DePaul is obviously the odd man out. Or maybe pressure ND finally.
Assuming Rutgers
does not flee anyway. The Big 10 has money to blow on diluting their product.
$20M and Minnesota can’t beat FCS and MAC teams. When is the last time Penn St. won anything of note in hoops. Money does not buy success.
I guess it pays for the non-revenue sports… but how much $$$ do you really need for that? Are they buying gold plated volleyballs? Cushioned seats for the 48 people who watch? I suspect this money is being wasted.
Rutgers has to jump if invited, but more and more I do not care.
Not standing pat
I agree with you Sean. I’ve been beating up on the Big East for sitting idle. About time they show some signs of life. This is better than adding Memphis or East Carolina. I like adding Nova and dumping Depaul.
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If we're going to do this
Go to 12! Add TCU. Add Houston (they’d go in if TCU did). Add UCF (Orlando’s a good market). Bring Villanova in.
Dump Marquette and DePaul and Providence. Heck, dump Marquette and DePaul even if we’re not expanding the Big East.
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Good luck dumping Providence
with the current commissioner in charge
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The more I think
If we go to 12 for football (especially if Villanova is part of the 12), I could see those 12 schools breaking off from the basketball-only schools.
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This is my fav
12 team FB scenario. However how does this not much worse financially? Lets say that BE FB pulls in $50 million a year. If you divide it by 8 that comes to $6.25 million each. If you add a 9th team for scheduling it comes to $5.5 million each which isn’t such a big drop. But if you go to 12 teams you are looking at $4.15 million each which is a loss per school of over $2 million. Why in the hell would they expand past 9 teams?
Sure that $50 million will go up some with the added markets and BECG but it won’t be enough to cover the new teams. A BECG would likely get around $5 million, which when you divide by 12 is less than 1/2 a million dollars. And adding 2nd rate teams in the markets of Orlando, Dallas, Philly, and Houston won’t have a huge impact in TV money.
You add 4 teams
Especially ones that raise the football profile, you’re going to add a lot to that $50 million pie. Adding Texas (and TCU and Houston are second rate teams? Have you looked at the polls lately?) would make a pretty big impact in TV $. And a hypothetical BECG would be worth more than $5 million.
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Keep dreaming
By 2nd rate I am pointing out that they are not the main team in the market. In Dallas TCU is likely the 4th most popular team. In Houston the same can be said. So why would ESPN pay big bucks for adding them? And if they are so valuable why does the MWC and CUSA TV monies blow? Why has the B10 not taken Rutgers yet?
As to the BECG, I have read that the ACC get less than $10 million for theirs. And they have name programs which are easier to sell than what the BE has. As well as much larger fan bases. So the BE would get less money. Best case they get $750k per team. That doesn’t cover the cost of 4 new teams. The new FB TV contract would have to increase by 50% to make it worth while. How does adding a 1AA, 2 CUSA, and 1 MWC team achieve that?
How does adding Utah and Colorado give the Pac 10 a huge revenue stream? How does adding Nebraska give the Big 10 a huge revenue stream? Surely adding the Dallas, Houston, and Philly markets would do more than adding Lincoln, Nebraska, Denver, and Salt Lake City, right?
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See Paul Tagliabue's comments on RU vs Minny
Nebraska brings in more $ than RU to the B10. Sure the BE is in major markets but few in those markets care about the BE. If the BE added Nebraska, Marshall, ECU, and Buffalo it would get a lot more money than it would for TCU, Houston, Nova, and UCF. The networks want to buy marquee matchups. The BE with TCU, Houston, Nova, and UCF would still be at the end of the BCS conference line when it comes to ESPN/ABC games chosen.
In the other BCS conferences averaging 50k in attendance is a bad thing. For TCU, Houston, Nova, UCF, and the rest of the BE (minus WV) it is a good year. The number of people attending and watching BE games is much less than the other BCS conferences. That won’t change by adding TCU, Nova, Houston, and UCF. Thus no more money.
Good luck dumping DePaul
The media market is theoretically huge. Not that it’s working out or anything…
@UCHuskiesdotcom said it best
ND has a bigger presence in Chicago than DePaul does
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by Ken DeCelles on Sep 30, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I voted the Big East grab hold of their nutsack and tell Notre Dame, “you are either in for football or you are out period, we are cleaning house”. The clear out Depaul and Marquette at the very least, tell Nova to get their crap together and let’s go and bring in TCU and whomever else. I can see keeping Georgetown, Providence and Seton Hall because of their history with Big East but I would also tell them to start working building up their football programs because very soon it will be their butts on the fire.
Well, I guess it's workable
Assuming the plan is to split, add TCU, Houston, UCF, and Nova (if they move to FBS) or Temple (if they don’t).
You get divisions like so:
North: SU, UConn, Rutgers, Nova/Temple, Pitt, WVU
South: Cinci, Louisville, USF, UCF, TCU, Houston
… and then do Pac 10-style paired travel for non-revenue sports to hold down costs.
non-football conference adds Xavier, Dayton, two others.
Immediately announce the Big East/New Conference basketball challenge, headlined by SU/Georgetown
The BE needs to do this
If they want to survive. Trying to get Villanova up to the big leagues does nothing in the big picture of college football. It gives the BE a balanced schedule but weakens the league any more and does nothing to ensure the BCS bid stays put.
Adding a very good TCU program would at least strengthen the league and give it a much better shot to hang onto the BCS bid longterm.
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by Kurupt on Sep 30, 2010 3:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Do it. Do it. 1000 times...do it.
We need to bring them in. Add TCU, upgrade ’Nova, and kick DePaul to the curb. Done and done.
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