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When You Think Of The Big East, Think Of TCU And DePaul

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Issues has arisen. You have questions. I'll attempt to provide answers.

You: Wait, did I hear that right? The Big East wants TCU to join the conference?

Me: Yep, at least according to a source that spoke with Lenn Robbins at the NY Post.

"We are in a situation that requires us to evaluate and analyze all our options including expansion and television," said a source close to the league who requested anonymity. "There are a dozen or so schools that we’re looking at."

One source stressed that there have been no meetings among Big East presidents or ADs to discuss membership. But that source also said expansion has altered the way conferences think. The fact that TCU hardly matches the Big East footprint is a tertiary concern.

You: But TCU is in Texas, right?

Me: That's right. Texas Christian is located in Ft. Worth, Texas. The nearest Big East school, Louisville, is 755 miles away.

You: Well, I mean, they're really good at football, right?

Me: Sure, I mean, if you're just taking the last 28 months into account, they're one of the best football programs in the country.

You: Well that's great. How's their lacrosse program?

Me: Uh...lacking? Though, that leads to a bigger question. Aside from football, which is a big piece of the puzzle, what else does TCU offer? They're just another mediocre basketball program for a conference that's already got one too-many of those. They've got a good baseball team but we don't really care about that in this conference. They have rifle teams, but then again you already assumed that.

You: Are you concerned that the Big East is making a decision based on short-term assumptions rather than thinking big picture.

Me: Absolutely. There's no guarantee TCU is still a great football team ten, five or even three years from now. Remember Houston in the early 90's? Or BYU in the 80's? Or Hawaii a couple years ago? Amazing bursts of success followed by years of nothing special at all. The ONLY reason you even think of TCU is for their football. And if their football isn't good anymore, well, what's the point?

Star-divide

You: But what about their media market?

Me: Yeah, I guess. Sure it gets access to the Dallas market. Though, having never been there, I can assume two things. TCU's probably not as big a deal as we'd like to think they are, especially when the Cowboys are on. And the Texas Longhorns probably still pulls better ratings and more interest.

You: What about the fact that this would weaken the Mountain West?

Me: That's actually a really good point. More now than ever, the Big East is fighting for its reputation. On the field it's doing nothing to combat its stereotype. What's the next best option? Take down the competition. Taking TCU from the MWC would be a huge blow to a conference already suffering from the losses of Utah and BYU. It would eliminate the Big East's biggest threat to its BCS status and the conference would get better, at least in football, in the short-term.

You: You don't sound sold. Are you honestly going to tell me that it would be better to take on FCS Villanova than TCU?

Me: That's a ballsy argument to make, and I'm not saying it would be better. But it would make more long-term sense. Of course, I have to admit the Big East might not have a long-term to think about anymore so perhaps it truly is the best course of action to do a "whatever it takes to survive" move like this.  Still, it just feels weird.

You: Would it make you feel better if the Big East invited TCU and then just said f**k it and started inviting other schools from all over the country?

Me: At this point, probably. Might as well try to become a mega-conference rather than a wonky 9-team conference with the word East in the title and teams in Ohio and Texas.

You: Is this all just a idle threat to force Villanova's hand?

Me: Honestly, that makes a lot of sense to me. Villanova would have to be ten kinds of idiotic not to move up to the Big East. I almost want to just invite Temple back at this point just to piss them off.  Still, they need to be a Big East football team. Perhaps this is a rumor meant to make Nova sweat, cause if we have TCU, we surely don't NEED them for football anymore.

You: Paul Tagliabue once said that the good people of Long Island wouldn't be interested in watching Rutgers play Minnesota if the Knights jumped to the Big Ten. Does he honestly believe they'll be interested in TCU vs. Rutgers instead?

Me: You'd be amazed how quickly he'd turn that around if all of a sudden the conference invited Minnesota tomorrow. Which, for all we know, they might.

You: How pumped are you to know a TCU vs. DePaul basketball game could represent the Big East?

Me: Thank God John Thompson isn't still alive to see this...

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If they had the balls to dump, say, DePaul, I would be all for this.

I might be all for it anyway though. I’d like the Big East to something, anything, to show us that it does indeed still have a pulse. Hell, worst case scenario we have another football team in here and maybe we can get some Texas recruits out of it.

by NOLACuse on Sep 28, 2010 6:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Dick Weiss's tweet

Said big east football. Not conference. This is an awesome idea on several levels for BE football.

by brendoh on Sep 28, 2010 6:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Think of it as an inverse Notre Dame.

Obviously makes no sense for the other sports.

by brendoh on Sep 28, 2010 6:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I always thought TCU to the Big East (which gets a new name) only made sense in the context of the crazy southern expansion plan.

i.e. something like split off from the non-football schools (any definition of ‘basketball school’ that doesn’t count Syracuse, UConn, or Louisville is insane) and add TCU, Houston, Memphis, and UCF; put them in the South division with Louisville and USF. Which I guess could work, but would be almost as weird as adding the Big 12 South – Baylor + Colorado to the Pac 10 would have been.

by drothgery on Sep 28, 2010 6:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I think this would be a good idea. I wrote something about this a while ago as fan post. I’d look for it, but I’m too lazy.

First, what difference does it make that TCU is in Texas? The Big East has clearly doesn’t think of itself as an eastern entity after the invite of DePaul. It could, maybe, possibly, perhaps expand the TV footprint with the Dallas/Ft Worth market. But, remember that TCU is small for TX standards. According to Wikipedia, TCU has less than 10K students. This pales in comparison to UT, ATM, UTEP, and so forth. So, I imagine the TV expansion would be moderate at best, negligible at worst, but likely minimal.

 I also think It’d be nice for Syracuse to have another private school in the football conference. Not that it matters too much, but with the exit of BC and The U, Syracuse is the only the private school left in BE football. I don’t count ND. Maybe some type of new rivalry would emerge between TCU and SU.

Also, I’m kind of hoping TCU comes in for all sports, not exclusively football. With the additions of Nova and TCU, the BE can kick Notre Dame the hell out. The BE would gain a strong football team in TCU, and lose a very mediocre basketball team in Notre Dame. The BE could then negotiate bowl tie-ins without a “Notre Dame Option” or whatever.

I doubt TCU will join, but stranger things have happened.

by cuselaw on Sep 28, 2010 7:00 PM EDT reply actions  

There are 7 million people in the DFW metroplex.

TCU is in the metroplex.

In my experience here (3 years since leaving cuse), DFW cares infinitely more about college football in general than any other major market (save for houston? LA? NY obviously doesnt give a shit).

by brendoh on Sep 28, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Atlanta, obviously

Not that they really care about Georgia Tech (or the Falcons); they’re mostly Georgia fans or fans of other SEC teams who happen to live in Georgia.

I never did anything in DFW but change planes, but although they care about college football there, isn’t pretty much 70% Texas fans, 15% Texas A&M fans, 10% Oklahoma fans, and 5% TCU fans?

by drothgery on Sep 28, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

But it just doesn't seem to add up

I’ve lived in Texas for the last several years, and I can imagine the popular grumblings about a DFW football team under the sway of the ‘east coast media elite,’ especially when BE doesn’t exactly have strongest leverage these days, particular against MWC.

Granted it’s a large city that has its share of east-coasters, but how many people in Plano are going to give a s**t about BE Game of the Week between Rutgers and Connecticut.

by lemonysnicket9 on Sep 29, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hell yes

Add them just for football. Why the hell not? They’re good, it weakens a conference that is a threat to our BCS status, and it gives them a BCS bid and gives our conference what is (currently) a top 10 program. Also, it gives the conference more recruiting inroads into Texas. No downside, aside from initial snickering. The travel cost issue won’t come up either, if it is just for football.

I’m in favor.

"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998

by kotite4ever on Sep 28, 2010 7:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Go Southwest young man

Who knows if it will work but at least it’s aggressive. If you ask me, the whole midwest DePaul and Marquette expansion is an epic failure. Could a move into Texas be any worse?

by IraSez on Sep 28, 2010 9:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Ah Houston in the 90's

Andre Ware could have been a good NFL QB is he played like, now, instead of back when fast elusive QBs with marginal accuracy were a novelty (ahem, Michael Vick). This only makes sense in a football standpoint, although I really, really hate DePaul being in this conference more and more.

"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.

by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 28, 2010 9:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Thank God This will probably be like 90% of Big East 3 card monte Rumors

and go…..nowhere…. but dear god I love juicy gossip

and on that note:

Texans? TEXANS? WE DONT NEED NO STINKIN TEXANS!

I keep hearing stuff about the Big East losing its BCS status. why would that be? Is there any better FCS conferences that would get moved up in their Entirety to a 1A division? Or are you talking about it being completely cannibalized by other BCS conferences in one gruesome orgiastic free for all, with the leftovers scrambling for cover in other conferences?

by Pinker on Sep 28, 2010 11:02 PM EDT reply actions  

I know nothing about TCU basketball

But they can’t possibly be a downgrade from DePaul, so how about we just dump DePaul. No one is even sure how they got in to begin with.

by DMF on Sep 29, 2010 12:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Wait, DePaul is in the Big East? When the hell did that happen?

(kidding…but it feels like that, doesn’t it?)

"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998

by kotite4ever on Sep 29, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dumbest addition to date...

…Though I expect the Providence folks will one-up themselves in the very near term. DePaul and Marquette were two wasted additions.

by Dc'sSQUAD on Sep 29, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stole this off John Marinatto's computer

Big East application for membership

School name:

*Year founded:

*Number of current students:

*Current conference affiliation:

*Location:

Date available to join:

  • These questions are not mandatory, we don’t care about anything but the school name, and when you can pack your bags. We don’t want to say we’re desperate, but we’re F**KING desperate.

To make this form simpler for you here are the top 5 schools we are targeting. If you believe your program can match these fine schools please feel free to send in your application.

Webster University
Centenary College
Bryant University
Houston Baptist
Scottsdale Community College Fighting Artichokes

#BeatEveryone

by theNYsportsguy on Sep 29, 2010 3:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Frog here

This would make TCU’s conference progression read like this:
Southwest conference
Western Athletic Conference
CUSA, where we were going to be in the West division, had we remained another year.
Mountain West Conference
Big East Conference.

As much as I’d love a BCS bid, it seems more than a little off to me. But if the Cowboys can be in the NFC East while the Rangers are in the NL West I’ll deal.

And yeah, we’re a tiny university, but we’ve had 13 years of strong bowl level seasons now, 6 ten win+ seasons in the past ten years, and even if the fans don’t care about us as much as the Aggies or Longhorns, we’re as valuable a recruiting piece as you can find. Being able to sell Texas kids on playing a few games in front of their family and friends can make committing to go to school in New England a lot more appealing.

by HawkeyedFrog on Sep 29, 2010 5:27 AM EDT reply actions  

But isn't being in the MWC a little off?

How are Fresno, San Diego, Boise, Laramie, Colorado Springs, Fort Collins, Reno, Las Vegas, and Albuquerque close to Fort Worth? New Mexico is the closest school and that is 625 miles away. Sure it would be a little longer to be in the Big East but if you have a travel partner of Houston, a BCS bid, and a lot more money it is an easy decision.

by KingOttoIII on Sep 29, 2010 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

According to NCAA 11

TCU, with its recruiting base, will win 5 of the next 10 national championships

by ryanwk628 on Sep 29, 2010 9:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Bring On Some TCU

First off, Texas loves football period. HS, college, pros, they grow solid players and it is almost a religion for many in that state.

Second, expansion into the area will not only help broaden the fan base but the recruiting base as well. Nobody will mistake TCU for Texas or Texas A&M but who cares, they have a solid football program and people in the area will once a week see various teams in the Big East playing them. Some may attend SU just to play against TCU and get that one home game every two years back there. And if while in town for a game, one of the SU assistants happens to stop by a Texas HS to check out a game or two and see what he likes, would that be so wrong?

Last, I love the Big East just as much as the next guy but holy hell, it’s not like this is the SEC here and will make the conference weaker, we already have other teams for that. I don’t think it is too far of a stretch to think TCU may actually recruit better players if they play in a better division and therefore make the whole conference stronger. Add who you can get and let the rest sort itself out. I would love to see the military schools join myself but right now, take what we can get.

by Orange Chuck on Sep 29, 2010 12:33 PM EDT reply actions  

It would be good exposure

to play in that area. We have gotten a lot of good players from there.

by ryanwk628 on Sep 29, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would be good for both

As a lifelong resident of DFW I can tell you that the Cowboys drives the metroplex. After that UT and no one else is close since we are a metro area of immigrants (Yankees, Mexican Nationals, Johnny Rebs, and now with the crappy economy tofu eating Californians) we are a town of front runners. When the Dallas Stars were winning you couldn’t get a ticket eventhough most of us had no clue about hockey. Win and they will come. As far as TCU goes they are committed to football after this season they are doing a $100 million renovation of Amon Carter Stadium and they are paying cash since funds have already been raised. The Armed Forces bowl is played here and would probably become a Big East partner if TCU joined thus giving another bowl tie in. Don’t forget that the other high profile thing about DFW and that is Jerryworld in Arlington. TCU played Oregon there this year and who knows who else they could play there if they were a part of an AQ conference. Being different is a plus to a lot of kids. The Big 12 is nicknamed the Bevo 10 because let’s face it it is UT and their lesser brethren. So you go to UT or one of the red headed stepchildren members or you could go to Big East TCU who would also have a chance year in and year out has a chance to compete for a BCS bowl and a national title without having to go through UT. They could be the anti-UT and many people here dislike UT simply because so many others worship them. A good move for the Big East and great move for TCU

by Throbuta on Oct 3, 2010 2:33 AM EDT reply actions  

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