My pep talk
I moved from Syracuse to Buffalo in 1990...just in time to see the Buffalo Bills lose 4 straight Super Bowls. Until I left in 1996, it was the same thing every week. If they won on Sunday, they were the greatest team ever and this was the year. If they lost on Sunday, they were terrible and people should be benched, released, fired, shot, etc. It did not matter who they played, how they played, etc. Not giving two craps about the Bills, it was interesting to watch as an outsider. Not to sound like Bud, but the glass was either completely full or completely empty.
To me, this is the problem with the predictions everyone made at the beginning of the season. Yeah, we could beat Washington. But we could have lost to Akron if we brought a poor effort. Ask Minnesota, Kansas, Va Tech, and Akron just how easy it is to take any opponent lightly.
In the end, I thought Washington played very very well. How many dropped passes did you see after their first drive? How many stupid penalties did they take (errr...get called for) after the facemask on our first drive? How many missed tackles or blown defensive assignments after Nassib's TD run? How many bad passes by Locker--inadvertently at someone's feet or well over their head? How many missed blocking assignments? Think about it. The 10-0 lead was as much a product of UW making their only few mistakes of the game all at the beginning as it was some sort of demonstration that the teams were equal talent-wise.
Then, I am sorry... Jake Locker is the real deal. A Senior starting in his 4th year with NFL scouts drooling is the real deal. If we got pressure, he avoided it. If we did not get pressure (i.e. did not blitz), he found the open guy or threw it away. Too much mobility, arm strength, experience, and talent to do anything about it. Teams did not stink because McNabb burned them up. Instead, McNabb made teams stink. McNabb had some poor games at Syracuse--just like Locker has had for UW. But when they were "on," they were unbeatable. Locker was on.
Could Syracuse have won? Sure. Any given Saturday, blah blah blah. Yesterday just wasn't that Saturday for these two teams.
The important thing is to not let your personal disappointment prevent you from fully supporting the team. Just because YOU thought they could be 8-4 and beat Washington does not mean that the team should be deprived of your support. We need fans in the stands for the remaining 10 games too. This team may end up with 4-5 wins, but we continue to lay the foundation. The road to prominence is not a straight incline--like the stock market, there are ups and downs along the way. We just have to accept that for what it is.
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FYI--if you absolutely need to think this is a 8-10 win team
In 1988, we went to the Fiesta Bowl. That season started with a win against Temple. We followed that up by losing to a FOUR-WIN Ohio State team on the road. That was Todd Philcox’s second game as a starter. We lost 26-9. We would go on to be 10-2 that year, with our only other loss being as 31-9 loss to 11-1 West Virginia (11-0 during the regular season).
In 1995, a FR named McNabb led us to an opening day victory at NORTH Carolina on the road in his first game, only to have us suffer a loss at home to EAST Carolina the next week. Somehow, we recovered and were able to finished 9-3 and win the Gator Bowl.
Two years later, we DESTROYED Wisconsin with Ron Dayne in the opener. We then proceeded to lose not one, not two, but three straight games. When we lost the FIesta Bowl, it dropped our record to 9-4.
Of course, this team is probably closer to the 2000 and 2003 editions, where we ended up with 6 wins following the win/loss formula for the first two games.
Needless to say, all you need to do is look at your history of this program to realize that the only thing established by a 1-1 record is that you are not going 0-12 or 12-0.
I agree
Im done being a fair-weather SU football fan. I believe in Morrone and what hes trying to do with the program and have faith that hes instilling that confidence in players too.
Last night, while disappointing (as it should be when your team loses) I saw a team that did not give up, and kept fighting, through the mistakes, missed cues and bad plays against an opponent that was as equally determined to win.
Its pretty obvious our problems arent with the coaching or the talent, but depth and experience. We are light everywhere, and we have a lot of freshman and rookies as key playmakers. With Morrone at the helm, and more depth and practice, I think within 2-3 years we will start living at the top of the BE pecking order again.
The main reason I come here...
…as opposed to Syracuse.com is because cooler heads tend to prevail on this site. It’s both a credit to the way Sean runs it, as well as to those of us who are regulars and maintain that vibe.
Your analysis is dead on. In years past I would be furious about a 41-20 loss. As it was, I was merely disappointed at the missed opportunities, because we all know it could have (and should have) been a closer game. In the end, though, Jake Locker beat us pure and simple. When you combine that with the fact that our offense just isn’t clicking yet, it spelled disaster.
I also think that any reasonable person can look at this team and see the differences, subtle as they may be, between Marrone and Robinson. It amuses me to see how many unsolicited post game comments we’ve had since Marrone took over, from opposing players who have faced us in the past. Without prompting, they all talk about this Syracuse team is more physical and plays with a toughness that they lacked in years past. That’s how a return to winning starts. Do we have a lot of talent? No. Depth? Also no. But that will come in time, as long as guys continue to buy in and we are able to grind out some wins along the way.
I think this team is getting there. I think that Nassib will continue to improve, and I think the defense will be fairly steady all year. Quite simply, if we play well, I think we can beat many of the teams on our schedule. As usual, though, we have little margin for error. The special teams turnover KILLED us yesterday – that seemed to turn the tide in favor of UW, and when that happens on the road against a good team led by the projected #1 pick in the NFL draft, usually disaster ensues. No mistakes and it’s a different game.
I just really hope that the fickle SU fans pack the Dome when Big East play starts, because with the way this team plays, they have a very good chance of recapturing the home field advantage that was a staple of the Mac/Coach P years. If we stay healthy and if we take care of business against the two FCS teams (no gimme, given recent events across the country), we will be 3-1 heading into the South Florida game. I think there are wins to be had in conference, especially at home, and we have to capitalize. I remain pretty optimistic about this season, because I believe in HCDM and the way he’s doing business. It won’t happen overnight, but I firmly believe that this program WILL get back to winning again.
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
One game.
No need to throw out the baby with the bath water. Uneven talent. Uneven depth. 2011 may sting as well, but 2012 is when this team should really start to shine.
I, too, hope folks come out to the Dome, but I’ve been beating that drum for a while now and all I seem to see is “Is Time Warner carrying the Maine game?” If anyone was futzing around with Twitter last night you’d have seen the players asking for everyone’s support. The best way to do it is to plop down the $30 and get your rear-end reacquainted with aluminum benches.
Amen to that
Especially that last line.
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
by kotite4ever on Sep 12, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Frankly
so long as we beat UConn this year I couldn’t care less where we end up; I’ll still support the team. Expect more KYFs in the future from me.
The game was over
after the fumbled kickoff, giving UW 10 quick points.
Playing catch-up with that offense is not going to work.
We did a lot of things really well, until that fumble. I saw a lot of good things, a still think this is a good enough team for some beef.
Go Orange(men)!
Excellent post
I’m also a Detroit Lions fan so if you could come up with another pep talk after what happened today I’d appreciate it.
Not a Lions fan
But if the rules really do require that to be an incomplete pass, then the rules needs to be changed and the person who came up with that idea should be deported to Antarctica. What does he have to do, get up and snuggle with the ball while watching Fried Green Tomatoes? He caught the ball, bounced, and then the ball hit the ground. Just absurd.
Regardless, it is pro football. After the Akron game, I went to the pro football Hall of Fame, which is worth about 10 minutes of your time. Unless you have never had the Internet, in which case I could see spending upwards of 20 minutes of your time there. Kind of milled about just to feel like I got my money’s worth. Wallow in the Syracuse loss if you must, but I’d get over the Lions loss pretty quick. The Stafford injury is more concerning.
The ball was only on the ground
after Johnson decided to put the ball on the ground after he fully came down to the ground.
I don’t understand how he wasn’t complete with the “process” of going down to the ground before he placed the ball on the ground.
Sorry Lion fans, your team played good enough to win today and got jobbed. I will be rooting for them this year cause they showed a lot today, on the road.
Go Orange(men)!
That call was absolute horseshit
I was going against Calvin Johnson in fantasy today, but I STILL jumped off on my couch and screamed “They just got SCREWED!” Absolutely terrible interpretation of a stupid rule.
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
This reeked of "tuck rule"
Terribly worded rule, implemented terribly to cost a team a game
Go Orange(men)!
Fair weather fans
frustrate me so much. I know I’m probably not the best fan (I don’t always watch the end of blowout losses), but it sucks that a lot of times the people who “make or break” attendance are the people who only seem to show up when the team is doing well. It’s so easy to support a team when things are going well. It’s so much harder and so much more worth it to stick around when things are going bad.
Sadly, I’m not sure I’ll ever be able to see a team I root for make the playoffs in the rest of my life. Fan of Blue Jays, Bills, Orange, Kings. Note, I’m 27 so the odds of my teams never making the playoffs again are pretty slim. If it weren’t for Cuse bball, I’d be in sports hell right now.
Without Gerry McNamara we wouldn't have won 10 f-- games, not 10
I agree
I didn’t start seeing this as a winnable game until after we rolled Akron. I thought maybe – just maybe – we have a chance. Even if we brought our A+ game and they brought their C game I thought this was a UW win. There was just too much to overcome. Getting down or upset over this game is just pointless. Any team, and I mean absolutely ANY team in the country would have a hard time winning in Husky Stadium.
The fact that SU had a 10-0 lead is a difficult pill to swallow, but as you pointed out, it was basically the product of some early mistakes by UW.
GO ORANGE

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