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Syracuse Football Over/Under

Brian Bennett did this on a Big East-wide scale but it got me thinking about the over/unders for Syracuse football this season.  Let's investigate:

Ryan Nassib over/under 1,800 yards passing

To give perspective, Cam Dantley threw for a measly 1,298 yards in 2008 while Greg Paulus threw for 2,025.  My instinct tells me Nassib will be closer to Dantley then he will to Paulus.  Not be cause he's not good, but because where is all this yardage going to come from?  He doesn't have a Mike Williams.  Hell, he doesn't even have a Taj Smith.  Since the TEs will likely play a bigger role in the passing game, I think the field's going to be small.  I'm going under.

Delone Carter over/under 1,000 yards rushing

Bennett says under but I have disagree and say over.  Carter rushed for 1,021 last year against a tougher schedule, not to mention having Bailey AND Collier siphoning carries.  This year it's only Bailey and maybe a couple to a freshman.  I'm not convinced DC3 will need a lot of time to get up to speed, no pun intended.  I think he hits the ground running (NPI) against Akron and has 400 yards by the time September's over.

Antwon Bailey over/under 500 yards rushing

It's a toughie.  Bailey ran for 312 yards on 67 carries last year.  I expect both of those numbers to go up, especially with Collier gone.  The passing game has no major threat, which means the offense will depend on the run more...but defenses will know that.  I'm going to go with over...but not by much.

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Lemon/Chew/Weaver trio over/under 8 TD receptions

Almost certainly, these are your three star receivers in 2010.  The good news for them is that SU scored sixteen passing TDs last season.  The bad news is that ten of those went to either Mike Williams, a TE or a RB.

The year before that, in which there was no Mike Williams, was a little more even.  Eleven passing TDs, but only five went to a WR.

The SU offense is more likely to grind out TDs on the ground or through short dumps to the TE.  I'm taking the under, but I'm hopeful that I'm wrong and the passing game flourishes.

Nick Provo over/under 20 receptions

One gets the sense this could be one of those years the TE is near the top of the receptions list.  If you take Cody Catalina and Mike Owens' numbers from that season, they equal 25 receptions, good for fifth overall.  Provo will be the go-to receiving tight end for the Orange.  Unless someone else steps up to be more than a blocker, he should be a big target for Nassib all year along.  I'm going to take the over on 20 receptions, and think it might even be much higher than that.

Chandler Jones over/under 4 sacks

I know it doesn't sound like much but I think you take the under here.  Chandler's brother Art never had more than three sacks in a season and the SU defense is more likely to see a LB grab the sack than a lineman. Mikhail Marinovich led the lineman with three sacks last season.  There's a chance some of those go Chandler's way since he's not the double-team threat that Art was...at least not yet.

Derrell Smith over/under 70 tackles

Derrell went from 36 tackles to 62 last season.  And that's the solo ones...that number jumps to 82 if you include assisted ones.  The beauty of the LB core is that offenses can't just key on Smith because Doug Hogue will make them pay, so they have to spread the respect around.  Expect the MLB to take advantage of that.  I'm going over.

#SHAMARKO over/under 12 career-ending hits

That's just assuming one per game, I think you have to take the over here to be safe.  Keep in mind, every time he hits one player, there's a good chance three more see it and run into the tunnel out of fear for their life.

Mike Holmes over/under four interceptions

Holmes had three INTS last year from the safety spot.  Now that he's back at corner, could we see that number skyrocket?  He had two INTs the year previous.  Math dictates he's due for four, but throw in the fact that he's going to be directly in the line of passes and I'm going to take the over.  Especially when you imagine the LBs putting pressure on QBs to make bad throws.

Ryan Lichtenstein over/under 68 points

Ryan scored 66 points last season on 27 XPs and 13 FGs.  His predecessor, Pat Shadle, scored 67 points in 2008 and 53 the year before that, though he did kick 69 points in 2006.  If we think the SU offense will be more potent in 2010, then it's good reason to believe Ryan will get his numbers higher, possible even crossing the 70-point plateau.  However, I'm taking the under.  Not only because I'm suspect of SU's scoring ability but also because of Ross Krautman, who might steal some of the kicks.

Rob Long over/under 2,925 punting yards

That's the number of yards he needs to become SU's all-time leader in the category.  He currently kicks 42.83 yards per punt.  Last year, Long punted 58 times for 2,538 yards.  That number is down from the previous year (2,898), which is down from the year before that (3,098).  So if history is any indication, he'll fall short.  We're also counting on the offense not being in as many punting situations as years past, so I'm taking the under.  Sorry Rob...though I don't think you'll mind.

Doug Marrone over/under 5,000 utterances of "tremendous" and "standpoint"

Over, over, over, over and over!

Syracuse football wins over/under 4.5

I'll stick with the same number that BB threw out there even though I'm clearly taking the over on this one.  Despite the fact that the Orange haven't won more than four games in a season since BGR (Before Greg Robinson), this is year to do it.  Akron, Maine and Colgate are wins.  I expect Louisville to be a win as well.  For the fifth (and sixth?), there's certainly a Big East upset or two waiting for this team along the way.

Let me know which way you'd go on each of these in the comments...

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Going over on the Wide Receivers

I’m cautiously optimistic about that group. Unless we really just don’t have any corners that can cover a decent receiver (which is possible), then I’m thinking Lemon has a terrific year.

He’s definitely Nassib’s go-to-guy and they seem to have a decent rhythm on the practice field. I think Lemon can probably grab five by himself.

Weaver looks like a decent goal-line threat too, so I think he’ll grab a few.

Besides, teams are going to be stacking the box against us trying to stop Carter (which, of course, will prove futile), so the receivers will have some space to work with.

by dkelz1888 on Aug 20, 2010 1:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Read Bennets piece

I gotta say I was insulted to the point that I lashed out on his comments section. My picks

Nassib: Under, we will be a run-based offense this year.
Carter: Over. I don’t think he misses a beat. And I think he will be near the 200 mark again @ Akron
Bailey: Over, see Nassib
Lemon/Weaver/Chew Trio: Eh, Over, just because its Friday and I’m feeling nice
Provo: Way Over. If he’s healthy for more than 6 games.
Jones: Under. I’m not sold on him or the DL yet. Prove me wrong, dammit!
Smith: Over. Really the only question is what is the O/U for the bone?
#SHAMARKO: if you don’t take the Over, you’re not a true fan.
Holmes: Over. SUs defense was actually good at creating TOs last year. Unfortunately, so was the offense.
Lichtenstein: Under. Something doesn’t seem right so far.
Long: Way Under. This is a good thing.
HCDM: Way Over. As if there was any question.
Wins: Over. In his first year, with a brutal schedule, the injuries, defections and suspensions HCDM found a way to win 4. That being considered, SU and HCDM should be better off in each of these departments, so how anyone can come up with less than 5 wins is a mystery to me.

"I'm going through a rough patch in my life right now. Syracuse is 0 and 3" - Adam Sandler

by bloodyyank44 on Aug 20, 2010 1:55 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't know what BB is thinking on Carter

If he’s healthy, eligible, and stays out of trouble, he’s going to beat 1000 yards easily. Of course, none of those are given with Carter.

by drothgery on Aug 20, 2010 1:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Over/Under

defections/dismissals from the team during the season

Ill set the number at 3.5

by YodaWore44 on Aug 20, 2010 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Speaking of Taj Smith

Did anyone see him make that Bills corner his bitch last night?

by Rocket Ship Science on Aug 20, 2010 2:57 PM EDT reply actions  

That was awesome

He looks like he’s got a decent shot to make the roster as their last WR. His possible downfall might be that he just doesn’t seem like he’d make a good ST player to me.

by SpotOnSpotwood on Aug 20, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah he wasn't very big when he was here, and that might be tough going down the field to cover kicks

That said, he proved to be stronger and faster than that corner on two straight plays. So I don’t know.

by Rocket Ship Science on Aug 20, 2010 3:10 PM EDT reply actions  

I love Taj

but my grandmother could embarrass a Bills corner.

by dkelz1888 on Aug 20, 2010 3:21 PM EDT reply actions  

The Bills were 2nd in the NFL is pass defense last season

Of course it was a WVU grad he was torching, so that explains it….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 23, 2010 3:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Maybe I'm too confident but...

Nassib – Over. 1800 yds is only 150 a game. Dude’s got an arm and should hit a couple bombs this year.
Carter – Over – Same reasons he went over last year, but as mentioned no Collier
Bailey – under – will have a bunch of total yds by catching passes out of the backfield
Lemon/Chew/Weaver – under – really have no idea though, not sure HCDM does either. any of these guys, or Sales, or the TE’s could step up
Provo – over
Jones – under. Bigger against the run
Smith – Way over. Grab the bone baby
Shamarko – way over
Lichtenstein – over. Counting on a lot of PAT’s
Long – under.
Marrone – Tremendous standpoint of being over
Wins – over. 7-5 and going bowling

by SF Cuse on Aug 20, 2010 3:29 PM EDT reply actions  

"wanna be patois"

i may be a male chauvenist, but i do take issue with the casual use of wanna be" mucho macho types who use the term bitch". as in bitch slap" or the percieved say prison male -male homosexual realationship where one is the dominant male figure and the other the female" role figure? and there is no way rutgers, ct, or pitt, as far as i know, is every gonna challenge for a bcs championship with a pro set" offense. much less SU which of course right now has far less talent then say pitt. even penn state and o hio state have been using spread offense /opton and dual threat qbs lately.teams like WVU and navy, kansas, missouri, et al have to play gimmick" spread run or pass or triple opton offenses to beat the big dogs.i hope for the best . but senior bloody yank also forget to mention after his rationalzatons, that marrone also found a way to lose 2 games, last year, vs mn and louisville, neither at this point a powerhouse. would have been a lot more promising to be 6-6. and as we have seen with weis at ND, grob here, etc, college defense staffs are not usually confused at all by West Coast or pro set" offenses. and i f anyone out there seriusly believes that rutgers, ct, or pitt can run a pro set" and beat say bama, usc, UT, florida they are in dream land. those teams will ALWAYS have a higher talent level then big east teams.

by eiremist on Aug 21, 2010 12:13 PM EDT reply actions  

your right

We should relocated to florida so we car recruit better athletes! Why didnt anyone think of this before?

by ryanwk628 on Aug 22, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

That

Dont make no sense. Im having trouble figuring out what you were trying to get across with post.

by Pinker on Aug 23, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

common sense dictates....

that in certain parts of the past decade.. right in our confernce, both louisville at one point, as well as rutgers, naturally, had meteoric rises to national promienence with large scale recruiting of florida players. even WVU recruits heavily down in florida. that is a good sign of marrones junta that they are focusing on florida. i lived couple years ago, down in FMB-fort myers beach. and lee county, probably has more primo football players in one county then say all of new england. and teams from all over the us of A recruit lee county florida.

by eiremist on Aug 23, 2010 11:32 AM EDT reply actions  

We've always had a nice influx of Florida kids...

…or at least as many as can be lured to cold and windy Syracuse, NY. Marrone has definitely made a push for talent from that state, but frankly, the fact that Robinson did not says less about Marrone identifying Florida as a source for talent (which is obvious) and more about Robinson’s lazy recruiting. It was very clear from day one that Robinson did not “have a plan.”

"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998

by kotite4ever on Aug 23, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd

Y’know, now that you put it that way I also contend the real reason why Mike Williams quit is because he’d rather take his chances with NFL Safeties than risk another hit from #SHAMARKO. He should just start practicing blindfolded to give our WRs a chance.

"I'm going through a rough patch in my life right now. Syracuse is 0 and 3" - Adam Sandler

by bloodyyank44 on Aug 23, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

What is the over/under on the amount of times opposing receivers refer to God when they suffer a #SHAMARKO attack? Anything less than 100 and take the over.

by Orange Chuck on Aug 24, 2010 1:25 PM EDT reply actions  

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