The Biggest Winner Of BYU Going Independent? The Big East
Sure, the Mountain West still has TCU and newcomer Boise State, but make no mistake, the conference is a lot weaker today with the news that BYU is almost-certainly going independent for football.
If you're a fan of Big East football...that's a very good thing.
The Big East is officially turning into college football's Dukes of Hazzard. They keep getting into crazy predicaments only to jump the General Lee at the last moment and live to see another day.
It looks like they're going to get raided by the Big Ten...somehow the mighty Big 12 crumbles instead.
Just when it seemed like a non-BCS conference was overtaking it in the hearts and minds of fans everywhere...that conference loses two of it's best programs.
The Big East doesn't do anything proactively to protect itself...but then again it looks like it doesn't have to.
Fact: The Mountain West has been considered a better football conference than the Big East for the past five years. You can probably give me stats and bowl games and attendance numbers that say otherwise but perception is reality.
Big East officials like to talk about how even and strong the conference is from top to bottom. But parity doesn't get people excited. You know what does? Being elite. Going undefeated. Being ranked among the best teams in the nation. And that's where the MWC (and new member Boise State) has been drop-kicking the Big East for the last few years.
Last year, Boise State (#2) and TCU (#6) finished higher than Big East champ Cincinnati (#8). BYU finished #12, ahead of #15 Pittsburgh.
In 2008, Utah (#2), TCU (#7) and Boise (#11) all finished higher in the polls than BE champ Cincy (#17).
When TCU caught up with Utah and BYU the last few years, you knew that something big was on the horizon. Either one of these teams was going to play for the national title very soon or the conference itself would gain membership into the BCS. Either of those things would only strengthen the case that MWC > Big East.
The MWC has had a pretty clear hierarchy. Utah, BYU and recently TCU made up the elite while everyone else fought for tablescraps. With Boise State coming in, a foursome like that could rival any other BCS foursome in terms of wins and conference titles over the past decade.
Whn Utah left, that was a blow. But they were replaced by Boise State, the football version of replacing Leonardo DiCaprio with Brad Pitt in your movie. Not much drop-off there. However, now that BYU has left, that's two of it's top tier programs on the outs. Here's what you're left with:
Air Force
Colorado State
New Mexico
TCU
UNLV
San Diego State
Wyoming
Boise State
With TCU and Boise, you've still got some quality. But there's a lot less bark in that dog. And BYU also takes a lot of history and tradition with them, which still matter in college football. The MWC had the chance to change the college football landscape for the better. Instead, it looks like it'll remain exactly where it is, no matter how many undefeated Boise State seasons.
In fact, Mountain West Connection posits that their blog might not have a reason for existing much longer if TCU and Boise read the writing on the wall.
The first thing that happens is TCU calls the Big-12 and Conference-USA immediately. The Big-12 will say, "call us in two years." But the CUSA will welcome them with open arms. With Utah and BYU gone, there is no reason for TCU to stick around. CUSA's current teams are equal with the remnants of the MWC (except for BSU). So going CUSA is a given, their travel will be greatly reduced and they have more natural rivals.
They even mention that Boise State might actually still have the chance to back out and return to the WAC if they do so by September 1st. Given how much weaker the MWC is today than it was yesterday, I wouldn't put that out of the realm of possibility. The WAC would welcome them back with open arms, I'm sure.
And of course, if TCU and Boise start to explore other options, the floodgates re-open. If Conference USA begins to expand, maybe the Big East does them a favor and takes Memphis and East Carolina off their hands. This is all getting way ahead of ourselves, but lesser events have sparked conference realignments (as we just saw).
In the meantime, the Big East can rest a little easier knowing that the populous will return them to the No. 6 spot of Best Conferences In All The Land. Don't be surprised to find out John Marinatto has already sent a dozen blue and white roses to BYU AD Tom Holmoe.
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Good for them
BYU is the only historically good program in that league (air force is considered the lesser of the 3 academies. USCGA is D3). Its not like they just sprang up out of now where. They have a following across the country by being the official school of Mormons. Then you get them against ND, thats not only two independents but a holy war. Utah was the big rival but with them gone…. why stay? Going indy allows them to lock up a life time series like UF and FSU.
Why wouldn't the Big East go rescue TCU?
If the league is obsessed with only finding members that improve the league… who else is going to shake out that’s better at football right now than them? They’re urban, they’re rich, and they’re probably desperate. GIT R DONE MARINATTO.
P.S. If the basketball schools whine, get Xavier in to keep them quiet.
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I dont see how it fits
geographically, but as a football only member that would be great. Does not make sense for the other sports.
They do suck at men's basketball.
Women’s hoops are OK. Baseball team went to the CWS this year. Don’t know about the others.
I guess my point is that our basketball team was at least as bad as theirs is now, and we still got in.
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by Jamie DeVriend on Aug 18, 2010 4:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'll file this under....
… will believe it when it happens, and no earlier. Along with the Pac 16.
BYU going independant would be really interesting
Why wouldn’t the MWC and WAC just merge? I get them confused anyway.
Why would the big east ever go after any U from Texas? More importantly why would a team like TCU want to have “yankees” like Syracuse and UConn as rivals? No chance any respectable Texas program makes a move to a North East conference….um we still are a north east conference right?
Talk of the Big East getting Memphis and ECU is just more crap on the pile.
I still want SU to find it’s way into the Big 10…ish conference or Super ACC
Best quote
“The Big East is officially turning into college football’s Dukes of Hazzard. They keep getting into crazy predicaments only to jump the General Lee at the last moment and live to see another day.”
That is…sublime.
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
by kotite4ever on Aug 18, 2010 5:46 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Right down to Bo/Miami and Luke/VT leaving
and the hijinks carrying on unabated with their cousins Coy/Louisville and Vance/Cincinnati.
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by Jamie DeVriend on Aug 18, 2010 6:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Johnny why you dumpin on ECU?
They have recently beat the BE champ, the ACC champ and have proven they can regularly beat certain teams in the BE. Someone mentioned Donovan Mcnabb, if I recall he never beat ECU in multiple tries. This was oging on well before Skip Holtz left.
ECU would be a good addition geographically, their stadium addition places them towards the top of our conference as far as stadium capacity (especially on campus), they sell their stadium out regularly, plus we can ruffle the ACC in their backyard. ECU brings multiple sports but football is king, they do need some help in basketball. I think Memphis may need some help post Calipari.
I don’t see Cinci and Lousiville fans snubbing their noses at ECU, they know them well from their conference USA days.
Check out their attendence numbers, not many in the BE can claim those very important #‘s. Forget the TV audience crap, they are th fastest growing school in NC. 2nd in undergrad #’s, and 3rd in total enrollment. From the tidewater of VA, Raleigh, Charlotte, Greensboro, Myrtle, Charleston and upstate SC people watch the Pirates. Check out their TV ratings for bowl games, quite impressive.
Don’t rush to judgment on them…..huge upside with a new conference.
Wow
Can you say 56-0?
“Check out their attendence numbers, not many in the BE can claim those very important #‘s”
That is just silly as WV, Pitt, RU, and USF all averaged well more. SU is coming off the worst stretch in its history and was right there. As was UConn. ECU has a small cult following that won’t grow much more than they have and never will.
You ECU fans are a trip.
by KingOttoIII on Aug 18, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Well come on
I mean, they have to be better at least than Memphis or UCF, right?
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
by kotite4ever on Aug 19, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually it's right on the shore
My cousin always bragged about how she could go on the beach when it was freezing up on Long Island in the fall when she went there haha
I'm not dumpin on ECU at all.
I like ECU for many reasons, which you cover above.
My point was more referring to what it does to raise the national perception of the Big East.
ECU is and has been a solid football program for over a decade now, but realistically ECU has no better shot then any existing BE team at becoming a national title contender. So they are providing what the Big East already has – another good team who might get lucky with an upset here or there but in terms of contending for a National Title or consistently being a ranked team they may be more challenged in this respect due to their geography and recruiting network.
So in the end they are a good program but they don’t do anything to raise the football profile of the Big East. I’m not saying they don’t belong or can’t compete and win in the BE, I’m more trying to say the BE needs major football programs.
And since most of the major powers are already comfortable in other conferences – if you can’t beat them, join’em. SU needs to get out of the big east.
Providence Mafia
Will the mafia allow the Big East to do anything? Seems like doing nothing but counting money in the checking account is all they boys in Rhode Island no how to do. Any day …another lounge chair and a beer.
History repeats itself
At one point the WAC had the MWC. Maybe the two conferences should combine again rather than fighting this Hatfield vs. McCoy war.

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