Where I Come From: Expectations For The 2010 Syracuse Football Season
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I like me some Doug Marrone. I think that's obvious. I think he's tremendous from any standpoint. But the facts are facts. At the end of the day, nothing else matters but wins and losses. As Doug gets more of the former and less of the later, he will have officially "proven himself," whatever that means.
That's not to say this is a make-or-break year or anything like that. I think most sane Syracuse fans do not expect the Orange to find themselves lining up against Texas in the Fiesta Bowl after a 10-2 campaign and Big East title. No...that's next year (right, Doug???).
2010 is going to be a weird season. Syracuse might not have a very good record, but they might have a great year.
Slowly but surely, the team is losing all hints of Greg Robinson. Many of his players are gone, either via graduation or weeding out due to academics, infractions or "misunderstandings." There's still plenty of juniors and seniors who played in the GRE here, but sufficed to say they've been "Marrone'd, for lack of a better term.
The recruits know what they're getting into. Many of them aren't blue chippers or four-star guys but, let's be honest, those are just rankings some guy at a magazine came up with based on one or two game-tapes he's seen. (Not entirely true but not far off either). Good coaches win with what they got. My guess is that Marrone will do that to the best of his ability.
Will Syracuse go bowling in 2010? The odds are against it. Due to scheduling two FCS squads, we need to win seven games. That's something we haven't done since 2001. Plus we're coming off five-straight seasons where we've won no more than four games.
That said, the Orange intend to take a Mark McGwire attitude into 2010. They're not here to talk about the past. What happened in 2005 is irrelevant and quite frankly so is was happened in 2009. A 2009 season, I might add, that the Orange were a couple bad breaks away from finishing with a bowl appearance. And the truth is, the chance they'll do so in 2010 isn't as crazy as you might assume.
The aforementioned FCS games against Maine and Colgate are foregone wins (right???). We expect to win at Akron as well. We automatically assume that Syracuse will struggle in Big East play but, let's be honest, the Big East isn't exactly the juggernaut that the Big Ten or SEC is. Rutgers, Louisville and UConn are all beatable. The Orange have a tendency to play Pitt and West Virginia tough. USF and Cincy are both in transition years after losing their coaches and star QBs. As for season-ending match with Boston College, throw the records out in that one.
Now back to that whole "bad record, great year" thing. I know it's hard for Syracuse fans...hell, ANY fans to think long-term. But when you've spent what feels like an eternity at the bottom of the college football well, changes don't happen overnight. They can happen quickly...schools go from bottom-feeder to bowl squad in 2-3 years all the time. But the learning curve is different for everyone.
If Syracuse can show improvement with a 6-6 or even 5-7 record, it will move mountains for the program. We're already wrestling back control on New York State in terms of recruits and showing improvement will help expand our ability in the tri-state area. Not to mention nationally where it's vital to be a good program in order to convince a quality player from Florida to head north. From there, it's a snowball that catches fire.
Of course, that means 2011 has to be a bowl season. The pressure will officially be on Doug by that point, fairly or unfairly, to field a winning team. But until then, he's still got time to build and mold the program in his vision. 2010 Syracuse Football: The Moldening.
At the end of the day, the offense will dictate how well Syracuse does. I full expect the defense to improve even more so than they did in 2009. The D-line and LBs will again be solid and the DBs should be wiser, if not more-improved. Offensively, it's a toss-up. Nassib could go either way, Delone Carter is question mark and the wide receivers look like a good unit but lack a star play-maker. Coupled with Doug Marrone's first go at being the full-time play-caller, it should make for an interesting season to watch.
Hopeful Prediction: 7-5; appearance in The Beef Bowl.
Realistic Prediction: 5-7; in the right direction but a year away.
Honest Prediction: 6-6; so, so close and such a good sign of what's to come.
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Right on
I think 5-7 to 7-5 is exactly where this team will be. Obviously I’m leaning towards the “hopeful” end. I also agree that it’ll come down to the offense. I honestly expect the defense to dominate this season, but that doesn’t always translate to wins when your offense can’t keep from going 3-and-out or turning over the ball. It will be interesting to see who steps up on offense and how quickly the players grasp Marrone’s system.
The BC game is going to be epic. Regardless of how this season turns out I’m hoping to make the cross country trip to be at that game.
"I'm going through a rough patch in my life right now. Syracuse is 0 and 3" - Adam Sandler
6-6 is pretty realistic
I know it doesn’t get us into a bowl, but it would be a very positive step in the right direction. Looking at the schedule, you can hopefully count on the two FCS and Akron as wins. Then Louisville in the Dome and either Rutgers on the road or UCONN in the Dome gets them to five wins. Then pull just one upset over not-that-good BC in the Dome and that gets you to six wins, with potentially only one road win (at Akron). I’d say that’s very possible.
As the Coach at Syracuse,
…..If you play Akron, 1000 times, how many times do you expect to win ???
by OrangeinJersey on Jul 12, 2010 12:40 PM EDT reply actions
1000!!!!!!
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
by kotite4ever on Jul 12, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Not Accroding to G Robinson
I believe his response was…." More often than we lose" :(
by OrangeinJersey on Jul 12, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup
he would be happy with 501-499.
Homer: Aw, twenty dollars! I wanted a peanut!
Homer's Brain: Twenty dollars can buy many peanuts!
Homer: Explain how!
Homer's Brain: Money can be exchanged for goods and services!
Homer: Woo-hoo!
by bigbluethruandthru on Jul 12, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
2000
"I'm going through a rough patch in my life right now. Syracuse is 0 and 3" - Adam Sandler
by bloodyyank44 on Jul 12, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we are Bowl Bound
6-6 is a realistic outcome for the season, and we should still be eligible at 6-6 despite 2 FCS wins. I recall reading that when the NCAA expanded the number of bowl games to 35 they changed eligibility rules where two FCS wins from a 6-6 team could be counted toward bowl eligibility.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but if both FCS wins count I can’t picture our squad NOT going bowling this season.
Not generally
But there’s now some sort of exception that would let a 5-7 team or a 6-6 team with two FCS wins play in a bowl if there are no available teams with 6 FBS wins.
Too many bowls
works in our favor if we finish 6-6. They’ll have no choice but to let us in
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And we've got to do that this year
Because next year some of the too many bowls will undoubtedly fold due to not actually making money.
yeah
for that reason I think 6-6 will do it this year.
"I'm going through a rough patch in my life right now. Syracuse is 0 and 3" - Adam Sandler
by bloodyyank44 on Jul 12, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
De-Fault, De- Fault!
The two greatest words in the English language!
Homer: Aw, twenty dollars! I wanted a peanut!
Homer's Brain: Twenty dollars can buy many peanuts!
Homer: Explain how!
Homer's Brain: Money can be exchanged for goods and services!
Homer: Woo-hoo!
by bigbluethruandthru on Jul 12, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Dont forget the pinstripe bowl this year....
Is that bowl below the Beef Bowl???
by OrangeinJersey on Jul 12, 2010 12:44 PM EDT reply actions
New Big East Bowl lineup
2010 BIG EAST Bowl Lineup (in selection order)
1. BCS Bowl – BIG EAST Champion
2. Champs Sports Bowl – BIG EAST vs. ACC
3. Meineke Car Care Bowl – BIG EAST vs. ACC
4. New Era Pinstripe Bowl – BIG EAST vs. Big 12
5. Papajohns.com Bowl/AutoZone Liberty Bowl – BIG EAST vs. SEC or C-USA
6. Beef ‘O’ Brady’s Bowl – BIG EAST vs. C-USA
Pinstripe would be a great Bowl for the Cuse this year
NYC exposure….
Cold Weather Bowl Outside
Yankee Stadium
DId I say NYC Exposure???
Seriously, us landing in the Pinstripe bowl, and RU stagnating in the beef bowl again with wins against Norfolk, Howard, FIT, Tulane and Morgan St etc would really change the momentum that Shady and the delusional RU Fans think they have.
by OrangeinJersey on Jul 12, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Well played sir
I couldn’t agree more.
SU in the Pinstripe Bowl THIS SEASON is my dream scenario.
Lets make it happen boys.
True
As much as I want Beef, Pinstripe would be “better”
Plus, Beef is way early in the bowl season and Pinstripe is late which means much more practice time.
That’s why USF doesnt want to be play in it if they don’t have to.
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Indeed
I dont want to sully the good name of Mark McGwire
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I think
McGwire’s biceps might have actually been in the same ballpark as HCDM’s thighs at one point. However, we’re not here to talk about the past.
Without Gerry McNamara we wouldn't have won 10 f-- games, not 10
by PoetryInMoten on Jul 12, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess I should know this....
O/U on total wins?
Given this analysis (and I swear I haven’t looked this up yet) I’m guessing that the almighty ’Cuse will be 5½ wins.
First post in 4EVA!! I miss you guys (and girl). With football season starting soon I fully expect to be obsessing over this sort of crap far more often than is socially acceptable.
HUUZAH!
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I forget
who did that last time, but they probably wont compile again until end of year
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Welcome back Cody K
This site has been sorely lacking in degenerate gambler-ness (I say that with nothing but love).
I think 5 1/2 is a fair number, and I’ll take the over!!!!
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
I don't know what our O/U is....
But I do know that the Cuse is +35,000 to win the National Championship. If that isn’t a great investment of $100, I don’t know what is…..
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by Bernie Fine is the Man on Jul 12, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
here is how I see things playing out
@Akron – W – That program is on hard times, and we should kick em while they are down inspite of our habbit of sucking on road openers.
@Washington – L – 6 hour flight plus surging program with stud QB
Maine – W – And hopefully more convincingly than last year
Colgate – W – But Im nervous. A good Colgate squad is probably more competitive than Akron, its essentially a home game for them, their bowl game if you will, and we have a tendency to sleep on opponents we should beat.
@USF – L – I think Holtz is a good coach and has too much talent there. They wont miss a beat. We play em close the first half and fall off
Pitt – L – They run all over us
@WVU – W – Honestly, I think we could win this one. Without Pat White WVU has looked beatable and we have played them tough each year. I think our guys get pumped up for this one after HCDM chews them out for the Pitt loss. Upset.
@Cincy – L – Riding high off the WVU win and some clout on campus, the guys start out sloppy and make a bunch of mistakes.
Louisville – W – Our team got better, their team got a new coach.
@Rutgers – L – Payback for last year. We are on the road. Freshman QB becomes a Soph QB and play improves.
UConn – W – Run D and home field. We stop the run. UConn does its anual underachieving. HCDM beats up Randy E. in a no holds bars grude match after the game
BC – Toss Up – Coming in at 6-5 we need a win to get into a bowl. Fans pack the dome for a rivalry game. Its get bumped up from ESPN 3 to real TV. Hows it turn out? Show up and find out.
So I think if we win the games we should, go 50/50 on the even money games (uconn and rutgers) and pull one upset (I said WVU but could be USF, pitt or Cincy) we should go into the BC game with a chance to go Bowling.
Am gonna be at that USF game, we better not play as badly as last time we were down there.
I got laughed at as I left Buccaneer Stadium.
Had the last laugh when we beat their ass in basketball though.
W at WVU? Dont see it.
I can also see a L at Rutgers. Agree with you on that.
Schiano will get ’em fired up for that one.
we nearly beat WVU the last time we were in morgantown, and were it not for 2 big plays, would have. I dunno… we just always seem to play up against them. Remember gregger’s first game? Nearly took that one too.
Like I said tho, we only need one of two out of uconn and rutgers… and one upset of the better Big east teams. It could be cincy, usf or pitt at home just as easily. But like rutgers last year, we can pull an upset at least once.
This season is only a success if Deon Goggins straight up murders someone on the football field.
Otherwise, we’re just jerking around for bowl swag.
I guess it depends
If we are 5-7 with wins over Akron, Colgate, Maine, Louisville, and a 6th place Cincinnati, I doubt that is really a good season at all.
I’m very optimistic and think that if there is improvement, it won’t stop us from going past 7 wins. That Washington game could become a “snowball that catches fire” for us because it would basically mean we go undefeated into Big East play with Pitt first. If that happens, expect a rowdy crowd at the Dome and a much tougher game for the Panthers.
Winning that Washington game isn’t impossible. It’s between a BYU game and a Nebraska game for the Huskies. That pretty much defines trap game. They were 5-7 last year and 0-12 before that. Locker might be good, but Jevan Snead was supposed to be the Heisman winner last year and look what happened to him. You could go back to 2008, but Locker didn’t do much against us then. 14/19 142 yards.
I would take exception to this:
You could go back to 2008, but Locker didn’t do much against us then. 14/19 142 yards
He also ran with the ball 10 times for 83 yards and 2 TDs. That’s over 8 yards per scramble/rush. He did plenty against us I would say. He wasn’t a polished passer then (though efficient), but he has vastly improved in that regard since 2007. I agree that winning that game isn’t impossible, but winning it would be huge.
yes
those are exceptional numbers for any QB on the first game of the season, let alone his collegiate career.
"I'm going through a rough patch in my life right now. Syracuse is 0 and 3" - Adam Sandler
by bloodyyank44 on Jul 12, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
True
Although their running back ran for almost 200 yards also. I don’t think it mattered who had the ball that day, they could run all over the field at will.
I look at the Washington game this way
1 – SU was winless on the road last year. That includes that disaster at Louisville. Washington was 4-2 at home last year, losing to only LSU and Oregon (who were both #11 at the time they played), while beating USC and Cal, teams ranked #3 and #19 respectively at the time they played.
2 – Not only is this a road game, but Seattle is about 3000 miles from Syracuse. UW probably a better team than SU right now, but in they end UW doesn’t even have to be that good to make this a tough game to win.
3 – No way this is a trap game. This will be the home opener and a must-win game for UW. If they lose to @ BYU the week prior, look out. This game very well may serve as their only OOC win, so they need to lock it up. The only chance that UW looks past SU is if they absolutely paste BYU on the road and come in overconfident. That won’t happen.
The way I see it, the only way SU wins this game is if they play out of their minds on both sides of the ball. It could happen, it just isn’t very likely.
"I'm going through a rough patch in my life right now. Syracuse is 0 and 3" - Adam Sandler
by bloodyyank44 on Jul 12, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
As long as we don't wear our all-orange pumpkin uniforms
like we did the last time we played them, I’ll be happy.
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998

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