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The Big East Denies Expansion Reports, But The Story Is Far From Over

Just as quickly as those Memphis & UCF rumors popped us yesterday, the Big East threw down with the denials

"Those reports are not true," Marinatto (right) told FanHouse Thursday.

"There is no truth to those reports," Big East associate commissioner John Paquette said.

And other such ways to use the word "true/truth" and "reports" in a sentence.

Now, while it might very well be true that the idea of expansion happening quickly are untrue, the idea that Memphis, UCF and other schools such as East Carolina haven't been chatting with any Big East official they can get in touch with seems ludicrous. 

Remember, Memphis hired former Big East commissioner (and John Marinatto's mentor & friend) Mike Tranghese as a consultant to help them get into a BCS conference.

And UCF has all but thrown itself at the Big East for the past year, thinking that if USF can do it, why can't they?

And East Carolina's athletic director has been openly discussing Big East expansion possibilities on his school website.  Not the kind of thing you do unless you've got a vested interest in the discussion.

Aside from the fact that the Big East NEEDS at least one more football member for common sense scheduling purposes, let alone two teams to get to the magic 10-member number, there's another reason the Big East has to be doing its due diligence right now.  The earthquake that shook NCAA football this week might be over, but the aftershocks are still coming.

Everyone's talked about Rutgers, Syracuse and Pitt to the Big Ten, but forgotten in all this discussion has been West Virginia.  While everyone's been focused on the Scarlet Knights, the Mountaineers have been working the phones and making headway.  West Virginia's The Daily Athenaeum spoke with WVU AD Oliver Luck who, along with the school president, is way too open about their ongoing discussions with...someone...about possibly moving the Mountaineers.

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"We have an opportunity … and I will guarantee you that the University administration and now with me on board that we are talking with a lot of folks to make sure we have a potential opportunity should certain contingencies take place."

"I’ve been trying to get the word out. People don’t know that we have the most watched Thursday and Friday night football games on ESPN, so I’m trying to sell that," [University President James P. ] Clements said.

Does that sound like the kind of stuff a school that intends to stay in the Big East says out loud?  If I didn't know any better I'd say West Virginia might not even wait for the Big Ten to poach it's conference mates before making a move.  And if this Arkansas thing gets some legs, the SEC is suddenly going to have a space to fill.  Whether they fill that space with a Big East or ACC team, the aftershocks will commence.

The Big East is apparently holding a conference call on Friday for all of the athletic directors and presidents of member schools.  While the topic of discussion is unknown, it doesn't take a scientist (even a USF one) to know what the reason for chatting is.  As to the specifics, we shall see.

Whether its expanding or contracting or something entirely different altogether, the Big East isn't done, or safe, just yet.

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IF football Armageddon were to resurface I honestly do believe that Congress, notwithstanding all the other major issues facing them, would get involved. Sen. Rockefeller from WV has said as much. Collegiate football is, essentially, a form of inter-state commerce. Congress has explicit power in regulating interstate commerce. Sen. Rockefeller, as was pointed out in the ESPN.com Big East blog earlier this week or last, has a son who is married to Paul Tagliabue’s daughter… the very same Tagliabue Marinatto hired to be his second once all the conference commissioners start dueling for teams. Talk about a marriage of convenience! I won’t go as far to say that Congress might save the Big East – but it could muck up the process sufficiently so that maintaining the status quo becomes the most palatable option for everyone. If conference expansion goes pear shaped, there would be no harm in Syracuse appealing directly to Biden to confer with his new best bud to work some Chicago style magic finding Syracuse a good home…

Orange you glad it's not football season?

by SUMB44 on Jun 17, 2010 6:41 PM EDT reply actions  

As unpopular and ineffective that Congress has proven to be in the past

I think it may be a good thing if that happens. There are entrenched monetary interests that do not necessarily have the same interests as the public, fans, or college football in general. Thus a congressman in some contentious state may try and score a few points with the college football fan at the expense of some narrow, out of state interest.

That being said, I would hope Congressional involvement stops at a few basic and baseline competitive levels between conferences and not outright administration of the game.

by Rocket Ship Science on Jun 17, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, Congress sure fixed

the BCS, the steroid issue in baseball, etc.

Congress can weigh in on the monopoly/anti-trust side of sports…but that’s about it.

Go Orange(men)!

by SUmonkey on Jun 19, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, no, a thousand times no

I’d rather us be relegated to C-USA for football or something like that, then congress get involved. No way. Shouldn’t happen.

by wildcatlh on Jun 17, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bah

Big East expansion rumors out of Memphis, Orlando, or Greenville have no credibility at this point. And there’s no evidence anywhere that the Big East powers that be have any interest in doing anything other than maintaining the status quo, no matter how important it is for the football members to get a 9th (that’s all I’d do for now, though; with the demise of the Big 12-2 all but assured, I’d want to leave open the possibility of adding Kansas, Missouri, and K-State if the KS legislature says we have to if we want Kansas).

by drothgery on Jun 17, 2010 7:59 PM EDT reply actions  

West Virginia was popular on Thursday nights before last season because it was playing Louisville. I wouldn’t read anything else into those ratings.

http://uoflcardgame.com

by TopCard on Jun 17, 2010 9:07 PM EDT reply actions  

good try buddy...

but WVU was getting great weeknight ratings long before Lousiville was in the Big East!

by Ryan Goodwin on Jun 18, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats odd

Because One of the games in question was against Rutgers and another was against Pitt. Also, the two largest crowds in Gator Bowl history, fastest sell out in ND history (per their athletic department), largest crowed ever for a USF home game, and If I’m not mistaken, largest crowed ever in the pizza box. hmmm, sure seems like that all has one thing in common, and its not Louisville.

by fireguy on Jun 20, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

No way Arkansas gets off the SEC gravy train

just to hang out in a fatally flawed Big XII -2.

by SlingStone on Jun 17, 2010 10:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Please.

No expansion until we get rid of Marquette and DePaul and Villanova comes up to play 1A football.

by adselver15 on Jun 17, 2010 11:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Get out of this league!

I just hope SU has the opportunity to get out of the BE. Treading water with nothing directional programs like UCF and ECU does nothing for the BE except delay the inevitable. SU better be doing everything they can to get out instead of getting trapped within. WVU seems to have the right idea…

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jun 18, 2010 12:44 AM EDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Thank you!!!!

Someone who has the right perspective on this situation. I know you have to do SOMETHING but bringing these programs in just further dilutes an already weak product and reinforces the idea nationally that the Big East is basically a mid-major football league, closer to the Mountain West than the SEC.

I’m sure that the diplomatic, politically correct message from the AD’s office at Syracuse is to be committed to the Big East and making this work and whatever, but behind closed doors, DOCTOR & Friends better be doing everything they can to get an invite to the Big 10 or (more likely at this point) the ACC. SU has too proud an athletics tradition to be languishing in a non-BCS-affiliated Conference USA Redux. (Not to mention lost TV/revenue sharing money and national exposure—for better or worse, sports put Syracuse on the map.) Syracuse has to cover its own ass and secure its own future. The idea of sticking in the Big East long term—with or without fricking Central Florida and East Carolina—is a joke.

by Girardi Party on Jun 18, 2010 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Could not agree more with you two. Well said.

"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998

by kotite4ever on Jun 18, 2010 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Any league that we join

has to have WVU, BC, UConn, PSU, Rutgers, Pitt, and probably Maryland as well. Plus we need a home-and-home against Georgetown every year. Memphis and ECU and UCF join and my standpat Big Eastiness will fade away. Still, we need to keep playing Georgetown twice a year.

by adselver15 on Jun 18, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

WVU

is the best football program in out league. We do not want to lose them! Two years recently, they have had a real shot at a national title.

by ryanwk628 on Jun 18, 2010 9:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Not Cinci?

They have one the conference title last two years with a 23-3 record.

Go Orange(men)!

by SUmonkey on Jun 19, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

But they have embarrassed us by getting the shit kicked out of them in both BCS games.

"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998

by kotite4ever on Jun 20, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, that is more from the difference between the BE and the other conferences

in football. We do good in the small bowls, but typically struggle in the big ones. We got several good teams each year, but rarely have a true great team. Other conferences can be more top heavy.

Go Orange(men)!

by SUmonkey on Jun 20, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Syracuse Pundits

It amazes me how people always pick up on what Syracuse affiliated people have to say about expansion. All that quoting of former AD Jake Crouthamel was out of left field… and now Boeheim on expansion:

“It’s really that crazy. Driven by football. Football all the way. And it’s ironic that basketball raises 90 percent of the money for the NCAA, and football’s making all these decisions. It’s amazing really when you think about it.”

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/12626/boeheim-amazed-football-drives-realignment

It IS amazing that the NCAA hasn’t spoken up on realignment. NCAA intervention in anything is probably less popular than Congressional intervention. Though, the thought of Congressional intervention probably terrifies the NCAA due to anti-trust fears… just as it should terrify the BCS.

Orange you glad it's not football season?

by SUMB44 on Jun 18, 2010 11:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Well played
it doesn’t take a scientist (even a USF one)

Hahahaha. Dummies.

"Size matters. At least in basketball." - James Arthur Boeheim

by Bernie Fine is the Man on Jun 18, 2010 3:30 PM EDT reply actions  

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