Big East Leadership In Action
These are the bold moves that our conference is willing to take...in that Marinatto sat at home and prayed that realignment would go away.
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Phila-cuse
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The Big12 is like a fat guy who just had a heart attack. He’s limping along in critical condition right now. Maybe he survives. Maybe he doesn’t. If he does make it he definitely won’t be the same afterwords.
The Big East is like a victim of some terrible accident. They’ve already had a transplant. Now they’re in a coma. It’s only a matter of time until he buys the farm.
Instead of sending flowers for a show of unity (lamest thing I’ve ever heard by the way) they’ll probably both be sending flowers for each other’s wakes
Serious on the Big 12?
They lost Colorado and Nebraska.
Texas and Oklahoma carry the conference. A better comparison would be tearing a muscle. It takes a while to heal but you get over it and eventually it’s back at full strength.
I don’t think you realize how much that conference is messed up at its core. They got Texas back to the table by giving all the penalty money from Neb and Colorado leaving to Texas, OU and A&M. Texas still maintains the tv rights to their games so they can make their own network. So they don’t have the option of a conference network. Losing Colorado means the lost Denver which is their 3rd largest tv market. Losing Nebraska means they’ve lost their 2nd best program from a tradition standpoint and Nebraska is highly ranked preseason after coming off of being a controversial 1 second away from a conference championship and a mostrous bowl win.
So yeah, what remains of the Big12 is still in critical condition. Even with this miraculous tv deal (I’ll believe the projected revenues Beebe is throwing around when I see them) they still won’t be making as much money as the other conferences. So there’s a strong possibility that within a few years more schools bail on the Big12. If your conference is getting progressively weaker, your revenues don’t compare to other conferences’, and you have to spend more and more money for kneepads for your AD when he “goes to Austin to keep Texas happy” wouldn’t you try to leave too?
If more defections occur then the conference will either collapse completely or become dilluted by adding weaker teams from Mid Majors. The Big12, as it is right now, does not look very healthy at all.
by HawkeyeInExile on Jun 16, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
And this is why our conference sucks
With a bold commissioner, when the Pac 16 seemed like a done deal, the Big East commissioner would have been in Lawrence and Manhattan and Columbia telling them that there’s definitely a place for you in the (post-split) Big East, and would sell ESPN on getting the best basketball conference in the country for the low, low price of a sweet combined football/basketball TV deal.
Which would have meant KU and the rest of the Big 12 North leftovers would have options other than just doing whatever Texas told them to, and they probably would have taken it.
Dear lord that is pathetic.
The Big East is doomed. Done. All the speculation about dumping Depaul and bringing in another two sport school or more is completely out the window. I don’t know that I can even pretend to imagine it happening at this point. Marinatto will do nothing to ensure the safety of the conference, he (and the other BE powers that be) will only react to the most dire situations. Only the next dire situation will be the last, so the reaction won’t matter.
by NOLACuse on Jun 16, 2010 5:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Completely correct
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
No
>12 football teams, still stupid. Without Big Ten megabucks, makes no sense.
Well
Since it’s a matter of time before the Big East is destroyed, we’d better start lobbying to go SOMEWHERE. It’s clear our conference leadership has no intention of helping the football schools at all. None. Zero. Zilch.
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
Maybe, but there's nowhere to go
Unless someone decides to roll the dice on a super-conference, and I’m 100% sure that would suck. Unless we’ve got Big Ten/SEC levels of money to console us with for illogical and unbalanced schedules, I don’t want any part of that. Sixteen teams for basketball is bad enough.
I hear you
I just really wish that we could drop some basketball dead weight. It’ll never happen.
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
Why?
Once you get past 10, you eliminate the round robins for football and basketball. The Pac 10 just deep sixed that.
12, 14, 16… all require unequal opponents.
With 16…9 conference games. 7 against your division. 2 against someone from the opposite division—rotate through everyone once every 4 years. The two best teams play for a meaningful championship.
The perfect number is probably 10.
Which means that the next perfect number
must be 20.
Hmmmm.
Nothing's perfect
You can make a good case for 9, 10, or 12. But more than that you’re really just two conferences than play slightly more than the ACC and SEC.
9 gives a round-robin in football with 8 games and a double round-robin in basketball with 16 games (which is good, because that’s what almost everyone plays), but it means one team has to have a bye or a non-conference game every week in football, and you have to have a dorky play-in game in any conference tournament (or leave the last-place team out).
Ten avoids the issues with an odd number of schools, but you need 9 games (which will be imbalanced home and away by definition) for a round robin and 18 for a double round robin. Though you can generally have one school you don’t play without too much risk of a split title between schools that don’t play.
If you accept divisions as a good thing, or a necessary evil, 12 is easily the best setup (though ‘protected rivalry’ games screw it up). You play your division and half of the other division for an standard 8-game football schedule, and play your division twice and the other division once for a standard 16-game basketball schedule.
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