The Ro*Tel Big Ten O'Meter Update
by Sean Keeley on Apr 29, 2010 4:13 PM EDT
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I've moved the arrow just a shade towards Happy JoePa. Not because of anything concrete but because of RUMORS, RUMORS, RUMORS!!!
Clearly the best rumor so far is Tom Dienhart's plan to bring Mizzou, Nebraska, Pitt, Rutgers and Syracuse to the Big Ten and split the mega-conference up into four divisions like it was the NFC.
Syra, Pitt, Rut., Penn St.
Mich., Wisc., Mich. St., Mnn.
Ohio St., Pur., IU, Ill./North.
MU, Iowa, Neb., Ill./NU.
Sure, why not?
You might have heard it's a "done deal" per ESPN that Missouri has been invited to join the Big Ten. Of course, that was actually as much of a "done deal" as the UConn "done deal" from last week.
Speaking of UConn, Randy Edsall has now gone on record as to saying that multiple coaches within the Big East are asking the conference to give Notre Dame a final ultimatum, one that everyone knows they will reject.
Everybody loves Rutgers, it seems. That is, except for Paul Tagliabue, the guy trying to keep Rutgers in the Big East by any means possible, which includes trashing the school's Northeastern appeal. Great way to fire Rutgers up...even if its in the opposite direction.
If teams do leave, the idea of expansion will have to be explored if the conference wants to survive. Rick Pitino is the first coach to make a case for adding UCF to the Big East mix. USF wouldn't be huge fans of that but then again they might not have a choice.
Aside from Boeheim (who hates the idea, obviously), no one else at Syracuse is talking. And that's probably for the best. There so much hearsay and rumor out there right now, to comment on something that's probably not true or only half-true just makes you look foolish when it doesn't happen.
And now my head hurts...
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This whole thing...
…just needs to be over soon, one way or the other. This sort of “will he or won’t he” bullshit that the Big 10 is pulling is completely absurd. You don’t announce that you plan on thinking about maybe wanting to consider the idea of expanding….A YEAR AND A HALF FROM NOW. That leaves way too much time in between for the talking heads to keep going round and round while discussing this, and then we’re left with nothing but speculation and rumors for 18 months. It’s just awful. I wish the 2004 ACC raid had never happened, because that really screwed up a good thing, and started us down a terrible path.
Fuckers.
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
We're only a couple weeks into this
and we’re all already over it. They’re gonna have to announce sooner than later just to get everyone off their backs
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This is the best publicity the Big 10 has gotten
since OSU/UM of a few years ago.
They must be loving it.
I think thats why they are doing it
just drop hints here and there during slow news days. Announce one school at a time rather than a blanked “hey we have been working behind the scenes and signed these 4”
the big ten hype machine at work. (well they need to sell their league somehow because their sports are DULL)
If we're going to retroactively wish stuff
I wish JoePa hadn’t insisted on Big 12-style football revenue splits and equal basketball revenue splits for his proposed new conference back in the late 70s/early 80s.
And I wish the rule allowing a championship game for conferences with 12 or more teams had been taken off the books immediately when the lower-division conference it was created for didn’t use it.
Combined, that would have prevented most of the crazy moves in college football in the last 30 years. Plus Utah, BYU, and Boise could join the Big 8 or the SWC without too much trouble.
If expansion happens and they take 1 or more teams from the BE
I hope its something like this. I want Syracuse involved for the security of our football program, and I want at least 2 of our current rivals involved for some semblance of normalcy. But if we are going, anyone from the Big East but Rutgers is preferred. Syracuse, Pitt, UConn to the Big Ten is my dream scenario. (at least realistic dream scenario)
All in all
I hope the Big 10 takes Mizzou and leaves it at that. But if a BE team has to go I’d be happy if it were Rutgers and no one else
To be honest, I'm really excited about going to a new conference, and I don't care which one.
I’m totally comfortable changing things up and being in a completely different environment. Plus how much are we really losing, football wise, with leaving the big east. I mean we’ve been crappy for a few years now, during the formative years of the new big east, so our “rivalries” really aren’t that big of a deal. West Virginia, Pitt, and SU have history and that makes for good games, but besides that we got Rutgers (perennial doormat who just now started to care), UConn (only had football for 10 years), and the rest of the conference (USF Cincy and Louisville) have only been there for 5 years.
All that being said, I have completely ignored basketball, and basketball will be markedly worse no matter where we end up. But I wonder if we only had to choose between ACC and Big 10how the vote would go down from the fans. Would the basketball fans go ACC and football fans go Big 10? I’m certainly in the latter group as a football fan, but I wouldn’t hate going to the ACC. Either option is better than what we have now IMO.
by Rocket Ship Science on Apr 30, 2010 7:13 AM EDT reply actions
How would it be worse?
Compare the basketball attendance in the1980’s to the attendance today. Syracuse fans have gotten complacent with the Big East opponents, unless it is a big time opponent like Pitt, UConn, Villanova, or Georgetown (especially if they are good).
However, there is ample filler that no longer generates interest: Seton Hall, St. Johns, Providence, Rutgers, So. Florida, DePaul, Cincinnati… even Marquette, West Virginia, and Notre Dame don’t generate a lot of fan interest compared to the above 4.
If the ACC wants us, all they have to do is ask. I am sure WVU, UConn, and Syracuse would jump at the opportunity to get a basketball/football mix. They will have to ask first because you can’t turn down the BIg 10 on hopes that the ACC will do something in the future…
The best news is that the other conferences do seem intent on keeping up with the Big 10. At least that poses the hope that Syracuse lands somewhere. The worst case scenario is staying in a toothless Big East.
ACC
From a basketball perspective, the ACC seems the more exciting option. From a football perspective the ACC seems to be the option that affords Syracuse the best chance to be competitive on the field soonest. Top to bottom, Syracuse would be competitive in the ACC. VTech, FL State on the road, and Miami on the road would pose the toughest challenges. Maryland? = winnable. Duke/UNC? = winnable. WF, GT, Clemson? Winnable, but certainly challenging. Affiliation with the ACC also preserves SU’s East Coast orientation, albeit with a bit more Southern attitude.
Orange you glad it's not football season?
We do not
belongin a conference filled with southern schools. I said that back in 04 and I’m saying it again. Don’t get me wrong. I live right in the middle of ACC country and being able to go see our boys play a few times a yearwould be nice. But we have nothing in common with any of the other teams, well except for BC who’sbeen the red headed step child since they joined.
Syra, Pitt, Rut., Penn St.
Mich., Wisc., Mich. St., Mnn.
Ohio St., Pur., IU, Ill./North.
MU, Iowa, Neb., Ill./NU.
SU, Pitt, Penn State, & The State University of New Jersey seems to have the most interesting match-ups of the four divisions listed here. All the other options seem pretty yawn inspiring – particularly Ohio State, Purdue, Indiana, and Northwestern… Missou, Iowa, Nebraska, Illinois doesn’t even seem like Big Ten anymore, it’s like mini Big-12 (The Farming Four?)
Orange you glad it's not football season?
"THE"
So if Rutgers joins the Big Ten will they insist on being called “THE State University of New Jersey” like all the pompous people from Ohio State, excuse me, THE Ohio State University… Fools.
Orange you glad it's not football season?
Surprised
they dont do that already
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