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Must-read piece up over at the Daily Orange from Brett LoGiurato on the other side of the 28 players who left the Syracuse football team since Doug Marrone took over

I'm as guilty as the rest in automatically assuming that when a player left the team it was because they couldn't hack it, or they up and quit or some other easily-explainable reason.  As the article shows, that might not be the case (or perhaps it proves it?).

Brett breaks down the tale of Lamar Middleton, former Orange DT, who apparently was kicked off the team over a complete misunderstanding.  Middleton explains how, after missing a morning meeting with a stomach bug and then later missing questionably missing a curfew the night of a concert, he was kicked off the team the next day no questions asked.  He wasn't even allowed to speak or ready a letter he prepared later on.  He lost his scholarship and promptly left school, much to his own embarrassment and confusion.

At face value, when looking at the story in black and white, that's pretty crappy.  But like most things in life, there's some gray mixed in there.  Middleton claims that Marrone was under the assumption he was an alcoholic and put Middleton in counseling.  Middleton says this misunderstanding comes from a time when Lamar told Doug he had drank a Long Island Iced Tea.

Hold on here...Middleton tells Doug Marrone that he had one mixed drink and Marrone is so deluded as to think Lamar is an alcoholic and needs professional counseling? 

No.  Sorry.  Not buying that. 

Doug Marrone might not be "hip" or "with it" or know "what the kids do these days" but he's not a moron.  He was a college kid too.  I'm sure he's drank plenty of LIITs in his day and knows the difference between someone who drinks one and someone who drinks fifteen.  Not that I'm saying Middleton was indeed an alcoholic, but....there just has to be more to that story.  There just has to.

Star-divide

Some of the other former players commented on Marrone's policies and the reasons they left as well and their answers range from confusing to "well what did you expect?"

JohnMark Henderson, who spent a whopping four months with the program, quit because practice was too tough and he didn't like the idea of being asked to cut his facial hair.

Mike Jones says he left the team "because he wasn’t happy with where he was headed academically at Syracuse."  Alright.  Jones also shares the Doug Marrone mantra that has become abundantly clear:

"There’s no bullshit allowed."

Donte Davis, who was a senior this past season, sums up what I think is the entire point of all this in one fell swoop:

"I mean, I think he didn’t have to go that far," Davis adds. "But then again, I was seeing what he was trying to do. Because coming off (Robinson), we got away with a lot of things. (Marrone) was just a stickler on doing the little things right."

Maybe Doug Marrone is unfair, maybe not.  But the real problem for a lot of the players seems to be that the pendulum swung so far in a different direction than what they were used to that it must have felt like a death camp.  Had many of them come to Syracuse with the understanding of how it would be, it might have been different.  Expectations being what they were under Greg Robinson influences the way many players see Doug Marrone, I'm sure of it.

If the article feels one-sided, well, it probably should.  The side effect of "not discussing players no longer on the team" is that Doug Marrone will never speak up about "his side" on the matter.  So, we're left to take what the players tell us happened and figure it out from there.  Ironically, Marrone does share one tidbit about his time as a player at SU and how he resented Coach Mac's style every so often.

"When I was a player here, there were a lot of things Coach Mac did that I did not agree with," Marrone said. "And all of a sudden, when I left college and went along in my career and became married and had children, I’m always calling Coach Mac and I’m always saying, ‘Hey, I get it now. Thank you.’"

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This is definitely a must read.

If for no other reason than Middleton’s Iverson-esque rant about curfew. He actually says "We’re talkin’ about curfew. " Middleton’s seems to suck the most because it didn’t seem to be a case of not buying in, but I agree, there has to be more to that Long Island story. Still, that’s a lot to lose for what might be trivial issues. For the most part, it just seems that Robinson ran such a loose ship that any respectable coach would have ended up losing the numbers Marrone did. It also kinda sucks about Jones leaving for academic reasons, because it didn’t seem he had a problem with the football stuff.

by NOLACuse on Apr 28, 2010 12:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Let me get this straight...

Middleton had to go to the hospital for a “stomach bug,” which caused him to miss a 6am mtg the following morning. Then that night he managed to go to a T-Pain concert.

Um. This could be a sad misunderstanding, but there could also be more to this story.

by DMF on Apr 28, 2010 1:00 PM EDT reply actions  

the night before the spring game? Yea I dont care, if youre at a concert the night before any game, youre off the squad.

by ryanwk628 on Apr 28, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

T-Pain

He should be off the team just for listening to T-Pain. What an awful bunch of crap.

by nc44 on Apr 28, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

2 tackles at JMU

The most telling part of the story is the mention that he had a whopping 2 tackles at JMU. For an article about Marrone, that’s as harsh an indictment of GRob as you’ll ever find. JMU is a quality I-AA program, but a transfer from Syracuse to JMU ought to start and excel immediately. 2 tackles isn’t excelling. On a football level, he probably should have been in a I-AA program from the get go.

by domeranger on Apr 28, 2010 1:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Not a D-1A Player

Glad you made this point domeranger. Middleton is not a D-1A player. In fact he is a poor D-1AA player. Bottom line Marrone didn’t want him around and he was right. The 28 players say more about Robinson in my opinion. This guy recruited a ton of untalented and undisciplined players and Marrone had to clean up the mess. I am glad we finally have a real coach working for SU Football.

by cuseXC on Apr 28, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem was G-Turd couldn't recruit.

He got some, what we thought at the time was, okay talent the first season but that was still mostly from coach P. After that train-wreak, he couldn’t get any good DI level talent and was left with the bottom of the barrel. Now a good coach could have coached them up into something that could catch fire then start recruiting good players again. As we all know, that didn’t happen. Bad recruiter + bad coach = SU football before HCDM.

I hope Michigan goes 0-all this season.

by moosedontbounce on Apr 29, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sooooo...

This article is about a kid being booted for missing practice AND curfew, a kid leaving because practice was too hard, and a kid exiting due to academics. How are any of those Marrone’s fault? One broke team RULES, you know those things that come with consequences when broken, and two left on their own.

I imagine others left due to similars reasons and also a culture change which, if you ask me, was and is extremely necessary for SU football.

None of this bothers me as a fan. Doug “Binders” Marrone has the right plan. Hard work, passion, conditioning and the right attitude (basically what Marrone is demanding) is a recipe for winning, especially if blue-chippers are not filling the locker room.

Think of the players lost as a new beginning, a fresh start, a clean slate from the misery that has been life as an SU football fan.

If you can’t give what it takes to win. Adios.

by orange in veins on Apr 28, 2010 1:33 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

nice piece; but still unexplained

What was the content of the altercation between Lamar and graduate assistant? What exactly was said, and in what manner? Perhaps Lamar stated in no uncertain terms that he would whoop said GA’s punk a** if he spoke one f**king word about curfew. Or something menacing.

Also how did he tell HCDM that he had a drink? Was he a total dips**t about it? Obviously small things like that can add up; especially during a volatile transition time for the program, and especially if someone sets a precedent about it during practice.

HCDM certainly has his ways; hopefully they are not tedious to the point of counter-productive. But there’s probably a counter-story to tell about the situation.

by lemonysnicket9 on Apr 28, 2010 2:54 PM EDT reply actions  

I say....

these people are dumb. We cut bait! Move on!

by nleary66 on Apr 29, 2010 12:32 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

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