Delone Carter Snowballed Into Something That Caught Fire (Updated)
by Sean Keeley on Apr 15, 2010 12:45 PM EDT
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A snowball fight? This is what it's come to? Fine, Post-Standard, explain things....
Syracuse University football player Delone Carter was charged with misdemeanor assault Wednesday night after Syracuse police accused him of hitting and injuring another student in an on-campus disturbance that followed the Villanova basketball game in February, Syracuse police said.
Long story short, After the Villanova game, Carter and Gillum were driving by Kimmell, some idiot threw a snowball at their car, they pulled over, got out of the car, Delone punched a guy but that guy wasn't actually the guy who threw the snowball (he remains at-large).
The rest of the article details a lot of lawyer stuff from Carter and Gillum's lawyers. They claim the players were treated unfairly and taken away unnecessarily in handcuffs in front of their teammates yesterday. Players apparently both got the Detective Goren treatment for hours.
Punching a dude over a snowball fight hardly sounds like a job for the Major Case Squad but then you remember what Delone Carter's arms look like. Being on the receiving end of that must be like getting run over by a truck, especially when you're not expecting it cause you weren't the one who did it.
So...I guess now we wait. Players have been suspended by Doug Marrone for less. And Doug runs the ship the way Roger Goodell does...it's less about whether or not you did it and more about the fact that you put yourself in this position in the first place. Expect to eventually hear that Delone, and maybe even Ryan, will be sitting out a couple games. At least.
Need a silver lining in all of this? Chances are we're due for some Fulmer Cup points. So there's that...
Update: CNYCentral has comments made by the accuser via his Facebook page that described the outcome of the alleged Carter-izing.
"I was actually half blind! But long story short, got attacked on the street late Friday night...ended up with 5 broken bones in the face, a concussion, swollen right eye, and a fair share of cuts and bruises. Good times." wrote Hotaling.
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This is effing ridiculous.
Scholarship athletes need to know they are held to a higher standard. Maybe it’s not fair, but that is life and they need to learn to deal with it since they have an entire team relying on them.
This was just rage-fueled. I’d almost be happier if it were a late night drunken mistake. If someone threw a snowball at my car I would be angry. If they scratched my car I would try to find someone to pay for the damage. But I wouldn’t throw punches. Especially if the person is likely screaming for mercy and claiming they didn’t do it (which is what I would do if Delone Carter came after me threatening physical harm).
Yes, I don’t know the whole situation, but If he’s suspended by Coach Marrone I have no sympathy for Carter and support the coach’s decision 100%. Get with the effing program kids and be smarter about your actions!
I think I'm just angry at work and taking my rage out on DC.
If only it were a little colder here I could throw snowballs at things.
Look at the bright side
At least we now have players that are aggressive enough to beat people up. All that lifting and hitting and pent up aggression occasionally gets released in the wrong way.
For the past several years, we have been so soft that we were not even getting into real trouble. Breaking into Manley Field House? Opening up a hookah bar? Playing the slot machines after curfew? These are Ivy League violations.
When our teams were relevant, these incidents happened every so often. Just another sign that we are getting back on track.
Yep
Remember this from 2006?
“Syracuse police are investigating allegations that a Syracuse football player was given a Grade 3 Wedgie while sitting in class on Friday. The perpetrator was described as having large black glasses held together with tape on the right side, and a yellow pocket protector with at least two pens. Under HIPPA rules, Syracuse trainers declined to identify the player or comment on the medical status of the player. Head Coach Greg Robinson said that he could not provide any insight on the incident given that it was not taped for his review.
The incident is just three months removed from a scandal in July involving local teens kicking sand in the face of three football players. That incident resulted in changes to the security protocol at Green Lakes State Park. A lawsuit seeking damages has been filed by two of the three players."
by ezcuse on Apr 15, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I dunno
I gotta admit I’m a huge DC fan but you gotta use your head in this situation. But I don’t buy that the guy getting clocked by Delone was totally just minding his own business either. I know that if a guy with cannons bigger than my head comes after me, I run like hell regardless if I was the one stupid enough to provoke him or not. The guy probably mouthed off or was just overall acting like a drunken jackass in the first place & deserved it.
I’m sure Doug will do what he does best here and I totally support whatever punishment he’s about to throw down. When it comes to 18-22 year olds though, I don’t care how a tight a ship you run, dumb stuff is going to happen every now and then, its just a matter of who gets caught and who doesn’t.
"I'm going through a rough patch in my life right now. Syracuse is 0 and 3" - Adam Sandler
by bloodyyank44 on Apr 15, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I did mean to say that this guy that clocked didn't sound completely innocent either.
So I agree with you there. I don’t exactly have sympathy for him either. I just think DC needs to be smarter here, and if necessary, the bigger person (both physically and mentally).
I agree
But I’m not 100% convinced thia wasn’t actually Devendorf wearing a DC3 costume. Anybody know his wherabouts that particular evening?
"I'm going through a rough patch in my life right now. Syracuse is 0 and 3" - Adam Sandler
by bloodyyank44 on Apr 15, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I am guessing
In between two angry locals at a New Zealand pub.
by ezcuse on Apr 15, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I mean, if it really was Carter I’m surprised that they didn’t have to surgically re-attach the guys head.
All joking aside, we all know Doug will drop the hammer at some point, its just a matter of when, and I can say honestly will not question the punishment a bit because I completely understand what Doug is trying to do. But lets keep this in perspective. Its not football season. Spring practice hadn’t even started. They weren’t under any kind of existing probation from SU, and as far as I can tell, they weren’t violating team rules before it went down. Carter comes off as cocky to me at times, but seems pretty much 100% focused on football. Neither player strikes me as a hot-head, and I can’t truthfully say that I, or a bunch of my college buddies, wouldn’t have reacted in a similar manner.
Sounds to me like the cops in Syracuse should have better things to do. I wonder if they slap cuffs on the guy at the station who always takes the last donut and forgets to pill the coffee pot.
"I'm going through a rough patch in my life right now. Syracuse is 0 and 3" - Adam Sandler
by bloodyyank44 on Apr 15, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
*fill, not pill
"I'm going through a rough patch in my life right now. Syracuse is 0 and 3" - Adam Sandler
by bloodyyank44 on Apr 15, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Aren't they in the middle of spring practice right now?
They had a scrimmage on Saturday, which was something like the 12th day of practice.
incident happened in February after the 'nova game
"I'm going through a rough patch in my life right now. Syracuse is 0 and 3" - Adam Sandler
by bloodyyank44 on Apr 15, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Might have more to do with charged being pressed by the guy
than the police “wanting” to do something
Troy Nunes Is An Absolute Magician - The Syracuse blog that cares.
I dunno
Most of the time I defend the police for having to make decisions in the heat of the moment. In the end one guy gets charged with a misdemeanor and the other nothing. The fact that they cuffed them in front of the team and coaches, 2 months after the fact, just adds another level of ridiculousness to this story.
"I'm going through a rough patch in my life right now. Syracuse is 0 and 3" - Adam Sandler
by bloodyyank44 on Apr 15, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounds like these cops watch too much T.V.
Cuffing them in front of the team seems overly dramatic. Right before it happened, I bet one of the cops told DC3 and Gillum: “We can either do this here, or we can do this downtown.”
by el_bresidente on Apr 15, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
snowballs thrown on moving cars on the windshield can cause accidents
just sayin
being a douchey smart ass throwing a snowball at a car has its karma.
Would've only been fair if the snowball thrower was arrested too
Sounds like the cops probably know who it was. It’s illegal to throw something at a moving car in my state- probably in NY too.
by el_bresidente on Apr 15, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
as a former athlete who likes to get in fights, I can see where these two are coming from. A lot of people think athletes get special privileges and they resent them for it. Especially when the team they are on sucks. I have literally gotten “oh you play a sport? so you think youre better than me?” at the bar. “Dude, I only asked you who had the next game of darts.” Also, people like to prove their manhood by starting shit with people bigger than them, and drunk after a win is the best time.
Someone throwing something at your car is really dick. A snowball can dent your car and cost hundreds in body work, which a football player cant afford (unless they go to Oklahoma). I followed some guido kid all the way back to his house because he threw a milk shake at my car from his honda civic (pimped out of course). There was no confrontation because he ran inside and locked the doors. Coward.
I think Delone is getting it worse for being recognizable. Anyone else gets in a fight, they scurry off before the cops get there and no big deal.
I agree but I gotta say though, Carter running out and clocking the wrong guy makes him look pretty stupid and its unfortunate that because he’s an athlete, that just draws more attention to it. On the flipside, if you walk around any campus at 1am (probably drunk) with people that are stupid enough to throw snowballs or anything else at a moving car with a bunch of random dudes in it, bad things will happen to you.
"I'm going through a rough patch in my life right now. Syracuse is 0 and 3" - Adam Sandler
by bloodyyank44 on Apr 15, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
DC3 might not have thought that was the guy who threw the snowball
Maybe the dude just started talking smack when the players got out of the car. Not like it really matters at this point though….
by el_bresidente on Apr 15, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
bottom line
its downright stupid as fuck, to throw a snowball at a car. you might damage the car, or worse make visibility hell and cause an accident.
what if dc3 lost control of the car, slid into a tree, or worse hit someone else on the road because he couldnt see out the damn windshield?
such douchery kinda deserves to be groin-punched.
A Snowball Fight?
Isn’t that how the Revolutionary War got started?
You see
This is why Southern schools have an advantage over us. Try throwing a snowball in Gainesville. Plus, the kids down there can just ask for a new car.
If this was Kentucky, Calipari would be the one pissed off.
Calimari would take the cops out for dinner
and the incident would be forgotten.
Pitino would have taken the female cop out to dinner
And $10,000 later, the incident would have been hushed for three years.
Huggins would have climbed on top of the victim
and gently stroked away the tears.
by ezcuse on Apr 15, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
According to Dick Vitale
Mike K. would have simply touched the victim and he would have been miraculously healed.
How did I get on this basketball coach thing?
good question
I was going to call you out for making this into a basketball discussion. But it also made me realize, y’know, if this was an incident involving USC football players, they’d probably find a way to suspend a couple of their basketball players to make up for it!
"I'm going through a rough patch in my life right now. Syracuse is 0 and 3" - Adam Sandler
by bloodyyank44 on Apr 15, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Fulmer Cup
While this probably only a 1 poitn transgression, I think the fact a snowball started it should add an extra free form bonus point.
1,0000 cocktails to DanteAmore for the Revolutionary War refernce. Well Done.
BTW, Sean did you sue Orson yet for his Big East Coaches Confrence Call parody. All that was missing was the Chips and mango-peach salsa.
Oh, the shame!
The ‘Cuse scores the Fulmer Cup before the Wf’nVu Mountaineers. How will I ever live this down?
"I like the taste of danger most of all." - Jonatha Brooke
by MtnEer_in_SC on Apr 15, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it possible...
… that the kid that was “punched” just looked at Delone’s biceps and just FELT like he was punched?
Go Orange!
by MBorkowski on Apr 15, 2010 2:48 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Very
I felt that way just by searching for the photo
Troy Nunes Is An Absolute Magician - The Syracuse blog that cares.
This sorta
happened to my brother. He got in a fight in high school 2 months ago. They suspeneded him a few days and we thought that was the end of it. Months later, after the investigation, he gets formerly arrested with a really high bond. I think my parents were hoping for a scared straight thing letting him get booked, but the cops put him in a cell with THIS KID who proceeded to tell my little brother all the fucked up shit they did to their other drug addict friend. It had the adverse effect. Now my little brother thinks hes a tough guy.
But yea, they just let it sit for a while then start asking questions months later.
Just realized
if it was at 1am on the 27th it wasn’t after the Nova game…. so either the date’s wrong or the Nova part is wrong…. grounds for dismissal? (:
hehe
Those drunken nights are confusing. I know I always said “wtf I wasn’t drinking Sunday night” when I was in trouble, only to realize that it was indeed Sunday morning that they meant.
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