A Syracuse Fan's Rooting Interests In The Final Four
Syracuse fans still feel a little like Mouth in The Goonies. We're down at the bottom of that well, rummaging through the coins strewn all over, finding wishes and hopes and dreams that we threw down there at the beginning of the season. This was our dream, our time. Syracuse is supposed to be arriving in Indianapolis today to begin preparing for the Final Four and a run at the National Title.
Alas, the goondocks had other plans for us. Now, we're just spectators watching four other teams live out our dreams while we eat Rocky Road in a dingy basement with a creepy guy in a Hawaiian shirt with an oblong head.
That doesn't mean we're done rooting, however. Even if you don't have a horse left in the race, instinctively you look at the four remaining teams and some part of you is going to want to root for one over the other. Now that we can't, let's try to pinpoint which one is the team we're the most happy with winning it all.
Duke: No.
Michigan State: On one hand you gotta respect what Tom Izzo has done there. I know I'm not supposed to go behind Boeheim's back like this but Izzo has to be the best coach in the game right now. Of all the gaudy stats people will throw around over the next couple days, none is more impressive to me than this one.
Every 4-year player in Izzo's program has gone to a Final Four. That streak is now intact through the Class of '13.
How's that for a sales pitch? Come to Michigan State: You Are Guaranteed To Play In a Final Four.
Of course, on the flip side, Syracuse fans still haven't forgiven the Spartans for beating us in the '00 Sweet Sixteen. Well-documented on this site, that game might rival the Butler loss as the last time SU fans were absolutely certain their team was going to the Final Four only to watch it all go up in smoke within minutes.
And then there's the way Mateen Cleeves systematically stalked Gerry McNamara around the globe, from Bakersfield to Greece, stealing his job at every turn.
The Spartans may have our respect but they won't have our cheers this weekend.
West Virginia: This is who we're supposed to root for, right? I mean, I guess as a whole the Big East needs to root for the Mountaineers to win it all to save what's left of the conference's reputation after a dismal NCAA Tournament showing. And I highly doubt there are many SU fans, or fans in general, who will choose Duke over WVU, so by a matter of elimination they at least get our vote in that game.
But I can't root for them to win it all and it's for completely selfish reasons. This is our sport. Not theirs. They get football. These are the rules. Like the way pigeons get out of our way in NYC when you walk past them, West Virginia and Syracuse have an understanding. You guys are better than us in football and we're better than you in basketball.
The balance has been shifted, however briefly. And the thought of those couch-burners holding a national championship trophy over our heads all summer might be too much to bear. Especially since we beat them.
I will pull for them begrudgingly in the Final Four. As for the title game...it depends on who they play.
Butler: The reason not to root for Butler? If they win it all, we're going to have to re-live highlights from that game forever. They won't haunt us as much as the Vermont footage because at least Butler is a good team who was worthy of losing to, but it still won't be pretty.
That said, I think you have to pull for them over everyone else. I don't think they're the Cinderella that everyone wants them to so desperately wants them to be. Bud Poliquin says "this is "Hoosiers" meets "Rudy" meets "Rocky" but I disagree completely. The Bulldogs are 31-4. They're a five-seed. They've been ranked in the top twenty almost the entire season. They've won 24 games in a row. This isn't a Cinderella, this is top-tier program that happens to play in a mid-major conference.
If 16-seed Vermont had beaten Syracuse in the first-round and made a run to the Final Four, it would be Hoosiers meets Rudy meets Rocky. Butler has no less of a right to be in the Final Four than Michigan State, a fellow five-seed.
Of course, that won't stop everyone from waxing poetic about them. And they're still a great story even if they're not exactly what folks wish they were. At the end of the day, if Butler wins the NCAA Tournament, that's a much better story than Duke or Michigan State or even West Virginia. It could be a game-changer, the kind that we all assumed Gonzaga would have done by now.
For proponents of a college sports playoff system, it's a win that validates the idea that anyone can rise above the class system. For whiners who would rather watch Kentucky play Kansas, I guess you'll always have the BCS. But Kentucky and Kansas (and Syracuse) aren't walking through that door. Cause they lost when it mattered most. Butler won. Credit where credit is due.
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I disagree with this:
The reason not to root for Butler? If they win it all, we’re going to have to re-live highlights from that game forever.
This is why you do root for them. If they win it all, or even just beat Sparty on Saturday, the final weekend games are the ones that will be the enduring image of the tournament, not the Syracuse game. If Butler loses on Saturday, then yes, the Syracuse and Kansas State wins are the ones that most will remember from the Little Pretty Good-Sized Engine That Could.
...it's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.
Butler
I find myself going back and forth on whether or not to root for Butler.
On one hand, losing to the eventual champ could have validating, redemptive potential vis-a-vis our loss to them. There’s no shame in losing to the best, and all that.
On the other hand, I think the way I’ll get some closure on this tournament and season is for Butler to get crushed in a “wow, there’s no way Syracuse wins that one if they made it that far” way.
Either way
The Butler loss will not be national news. If Butler wins it all, beating MSU and then either Duke or WVU will get top billing.
Rhode Island, Richmond, and Vermont are special class of upsets.
Even if Butler loses to MSU, the Syracuse-Butler game will be forgotten by most. Painful… but gradually drifting away. Like the loss to Penn in 1980 (or whenever) and the loss to Navy in 1986 (when they had David Robinson and Raf Addison was struggling with injuries). If you don’t recall those upsets… well… that should give you some comfort.
I am rooting for WV, like you mentioned, after the pathetic showing in the tourney by BE teams, you have to root for the team thats left. I am also rooting for Butler, I want to believe that Cuse lost to the eventual national champs. Not rooting for Duke, never have, never will. I like Tom Izzo, you have to agree he is one of the best basket ball coaches, college, or pro.
by Hassanali181 on Mar 29, 2010 12:59 PM EDT reply actions
It might as well
be Butler because there’s some solace, I think, in losing to the team that goes on to win the whole thing. If that’s Butler this year then so be it. Besides that, I can’t root for Huggins. I get the Izzo thing. Ya gotta respect a guy that wins and isn’t arrogant about it. Seems like a good guy. Duke? I hate to say it but I don’t mind Coach K so much as it’s been all the players I haven’t liked. And he and Boeheim coach the Olympic team together so…..well, I don’t know what that means. Go Butler, I guess.
Yup
I'm going WVU.
Butler winning it all isn’t interesting enough to me to override wanting to see the Big East on top (as long as that BE team isn’t G-Town). Besides, as you said, this our sport right? So if WVU wins it in basketball, that replaced energy must shift. That should, karmically speaking, mean that our football is due for improvement. And possibly a win over WVU will be included. I’ll take that for now as I trust our basketball team will be contending again in no time (possibly as soon as next year for example). Also, I really just am not liking Butler right now. I don’t buy the whole we lost to the best team argument, because as we know, in a FF anything can happen. We look better since Butler is in the FF, but I think it stops there frankly.
I don't think WVU winning it all necessarily shifts the balance permanently
so I’d be OK with them winning and repping for the (much-shat-on-) Big East. Syracuse will be fine. I’d like a WVU/Butler final and I wouldn’t really care who wins. But I’d take West Virginia over Sparty, Butler over Duke, and a giant meteor destroying the arena over Sparty / Duke.
...it's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.
by Girardi Party on Mar 29, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
same here - WVU
for reasons we discussed earlier. I really am not all that impressed with Butler (Cuse biases aside for the most part). They’re very good (i’d go so far as to say third tier), but not great and watching them is like pulling teeth. They’ve scrapped their way to 3 of 4 wins and had 3 opponents just flat out beat themselves (UTEP, Cuse, and K State). Butler should have about 3 losses in this tourney if they were allowed to have more than one. Also, I don’t like the idea of their head coach winning a title when he’s only been head coaching for a few years. He needs to pay his dues. Took Jimmy B over 25 years to win one.
That mini-rant aside, I think WVU is the best team left in the field, everyone else has been more lucky than good, which i know is how the tourney works most of the time, and you need some luck to get to a final four, it happened for us. But WVU has impressed me the most. I accused them of being soft most of the season, with Ebanks pulling some of his disappearing acts on and off the court. It could be that the lofty expectations placed on them at the beginning of the season weighed on them. It’s kind of the opposite of Cuse, because WVU was supposed to be here, remember? Then Cuse and Nova got all the attention and WVU went about their business and peaked at the right time while the expectations at the end of the season crumbled Cuse.
This definitely won’t be the first time this has happened, but next week, you could really ask yourself “did the best team in college basketball win the title?” and you’d have a valid reason to say no.
This is going to be an ugly final four, but if you love 60 point games, then your pants may not be able to handle all the excitement!
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WVU
Because thinking about Huggins reminds me of the end of the slightly underrated 1991 film, “Let it Ride,” with Richard Dreyfuss; paricularly at the end whilst they wait for the photo finish results. I remember the barkeeper pronouncing to God about the here-to-fore down-and-out Dreyfuss, “Let the guy have it…”. Meaning—let him win.
Huggins has done his time; let the guy have it…and then let him nail Terri Garr.
Terri Garr... Highly underrated talent back in the day.
by moosedontbounce on Mar 29, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Rooting for WVU
However… I’d love to see Butler beat Duke in the final. Only because that would likely be the game remembered for a long time, as opposed to their victory over us.
I would never root for a team that beat mine in a playoff game.
Ever. No exceptions. I hope Butler gets nervous loses by 100, and they abandon their program due to being shameful of losing by 100. I don’t care if it’s ridiculous, that’s how much I love my team.
I would root for WVU, because they’re from the Big East, and they’re the only team that I can stand in this Final Four.
This Final Four sucks big ones. I wish Baylor was there, I’d have no problem rooting for them – and I blame the NCAA 110% for that, because I have no doubt in my mind they wanted Duke in there.
I'll wait until the finals to decide who to root for in the finals
I’m rooting for Butler and WVU to win their next game.
Syracuse players have a lot of length.

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