Hey Vermont, Guess What? We Hate You.
The NCAA Selection Committee must had a nice chuckle when they decided to slot Vermont against Syracuse in the first round of the NCAA Tournament. In case you have the shortest-memory in the world, let's get reminded on what happened last time.
In one of its worst post-season losses ever, Syracuse infamously suffered a 60-57 overtime loss to Vermont in the first round of the 2005 NCAA Tournament. Syracuse was a 4-seed that year, while Vermont was a 13-seed. The loss was the final game for Syracuse seniors Hakim Warrick, Craig Forth and Josh Pace, who two years earlier had played key roles on SU’s national championship team.
I missed the Richmond debacle and many of the Syracuse fans from my generation did as well. For us, the run Syracuse had in the early 90's is a part of history, not something we can tangibly remember. But we can remember 2005. We can remember how sure we were that the '05 squad was special. We remember that it felt like SU could go deep in the tournament and end up, well, who knows. We remember feeling like this was once again our year.
When we lost 60-57, it stung more than most other fans can imagine. Syracuse fans felt robbed. Sure, the team could only blame itself for the upset, but, it's so much easier to blame Vermont. Especially when the insufferable Tom Brennan went on to get an ESPN career based on this one win. And it seemed like anytime SU was playing, there he was at halftime to taunt us with his visage. A cruel reminder.
And then there's Taylor Coppenrath. I mean, look at this schnook. This is the reason Hakim Warrick never got to lead the Orange back into the Final Four? Unconscionable.
Syracuse fans have spent the better part of the last five years continually seething over that loss. Just like the garbage fire that burns underneath Centralia, PA and forced all of the residents to move away, the Vermont loss continues to simmer and smoke below the surface and we've been unable to put it out.
Until now. The NCAA has given us a grand gift this year. A chance to once and for all rid ourselves of this stink. Sure, we've played Vermont since '05 (uh, no we haven't, idiot) but not in the NCAA Tournament under the same circumstances. The Orange already enter the tournament with a touch of uncertainly and doubt. They can no only put that to rest by beating Vermont, but they can put the haunting specter of 2005 to bed as well with a dominant performance.
It's not very often that the fans of a 1-seed want to see the 16-seed demolished. If anything, the fans of the top team usually feel bad for the over-matched little guy. Not here. We take no such pity on the Catamounts. If we win by 30, there will be Syracuse fans disappointed it wasn't by 40. If we only win by 10, there will be a lot of Syracuse fans bothered we didn't do more.
The Vermont players say they're excited because they remember what happened in '05. Guess what...so do we.
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FINALLY
Words can’t express how much I want to see the Cuse just abuse Vermont. The 2005 loss sent me on a rampage that is still remembered at my college (and has only been topped by the events in the 2004 ALCS, also known as The Week Doesn’t Exist). I want Reese in the game with 5 minutes left. Friday at 9:30 is the reckoning.
by LynchyOX on Mar 15, 2010 10:34 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
i went to a yankee game the summer after that, and it happened to be noneother than...
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UVM APPRECIATION DAY.
i had an SU hat on, and was getting shit on left and right.
couldn’t say a word though. sucked.
couldn’t it just have been modells bobblehead day?
Who is the bobblehead of
on Modell’s Bobblehead Day?
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by Sean Keeley on Mar 15, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
touche.
carl pavano bobblehead day? it was 2005, after all…
I remember from that game....
Hak getting repeatedly gang raped and nothing ever getting called. Maybe I am just bitter or a sore loser, but my memory is if we had a fairly officiated game, despite everything else that happened, we win by 10.. The refs let the crowd and momentum get to them….
57 points???
They could play 100 times and Vermont couldn’t legitimately hold them to 57 points. I recall that being a bullshit loss – like so many others, Pitt this year?- but it so happened it was in the tournament. That sucked, without question.
Yup
by AndyKinsella on Mar 15, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
The worst call
was when Terrence Roberts got called for a technical foul for slapping the backboard after a dunk. That was one of the most ridiculous calls I’ve ever seen made, and was absolutely crucial to the SU loss.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Ugh, I remember that call
Whoever the color guy was openly talking about how it was a terrible call immediately after it happened.
by Rocklionheart on Mar 15, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Len Elmore….PS, Gus and Len (who caled the 05 game) are calling this game
by nymetsfan1226 on Mar 15, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
HOWEVER
Doesn’t that one moment perfectly summarize Terrence’s four year relationship with Syracuse basketball?
"Size matters. At least in basketball." - James Arthur Boeheim
by Bernie Fine is the Man on Mar 15, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
A little Dennis Miller anyone?
Great reference to Centralia. That’s why you get the big bucks, I guess. I’m sure I’m not the only one who feels this way but I can’t shake this feeling of uncertainty going into the tourney. What’s more is I can’t recall ever feeling this way before. After back-to-back lossed and AO going down, it’s like I can’t remember them being dominant. Villanova seems like a distant memory now. All season long I’ve been convinced that they were truly the best team in college basketball and now I’m worried about the prospect of facing K-State. What the hell happened? Friday can’t get here fast enough.
Yup
That's exactly
why I get the big bucks.
//sneezes into $50 bill.
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by Sean Keeley on Mar 15, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
It feels weird to be so uneasy about a number-one seed
especially after such an incredible, special season… but AO’s injury, Joseph’s mystery knee ailment, Triche’s disappearance in Big East play, and Rick Jackson contracting Jeremy McNeil’s Disease (also known as stonehands) all have me really worried.
I think Triche will re-emerge though. It’s tough competition in the NCAAs but it’s not as physical and intimidating as the Big East.
...it's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.
by Girardi Party on Mar 15, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
The record for largest margin of victory in the tournement is 69 points
With Loyola beating Tennessee Tech 111 – 42….
Anything less would be mailing it in.
by Rocket Ship Science on Mar 15, 2010 11:00 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Hate UVM
Try living in Rhode Island. Sorrentine this and Sorrentine that. He’s now coaching at Brown, so much like Brennan, made a career off of one big win. Plus the game was in Worcester, 45 minutes up the road. All my friends went and texted the crap out of me throughout the game. Not that I’m biitter or anything.
su-richmond
i have a memory of the su-richmond loss. i’m 25 years old, but my parents are both alums, so i’ve been rooting for syracuse since birth, literally. i’ll never forget getting the NY Post the day after the richmond game, and turning to the sports section to the college scores (times have changed so much since then that this was the ONLY way to find out who won!) and seeing that syracuse lost. i was only 8 years old at the time but i remember being very sad. i was shocked to see that we had lost.
imagine having to wait til you get the newspaper to find out the outcome of a game? now we can stream the games on our computers and not miss a single play.
I only vaguely remember this one....
Excitedly getting off the school bus only to hear the final few minutes on the radio. And more excuse making from me but didn’t Sherman Douglas have the flu, and even though he played through it wasn’t very effective…………?
That was Rhode Island in 88
The Richmond loss was in 91 with Billy Owens and Red Autry at point.
Destruction.
Absolute destruction is the only acceptable outcome. I hope GMac tells this team what they need to do and why they need to do it.
And I’m old enough to remember Richmond, but I hate Vermont more.
Go Orange!
If I remember correctly...
The officiating in the 2005 game can be neatly summed up by the referees calling (Pace?) an intentional foul for hanging on the rim. At a critical juncture in the game.
by NickBloomfield on Mar 15, 2010 11:09 AM EDT reply actions
Terrance Roberts
Got called for a tech for dunking, then slapping his hands on the backboard.
All this Vermont must be destroyed.
No fucking Ben and Jerry’s, if you must use maple syrup make sure if is from New York, and no wearing socks with your sandles. How about no fucking sandles as a general rule. SU needs to win this game by 30 to put a little fear back in the field. 2-3 zone is coming to get you. FUCK VERMONT.
The technical on Roberts is the example my dad and I use for awful tournement officiating. You see that happen all regular season and then some Tim Higgins wanna be decides they are going to call this on by the book. Total bullshit.
The Hoyas shuffled off with their twin cocktails of discontent - Dana O'neil 2/18/10
HOLD ON
Does that embargo include….umm…. nature’s gifts from the Earth?
"Size matters. At least in basketball." - James Arthur Boeheim
by Bernie Fine is the Man on Mar 15, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, it does.
You punk ass biotches will be beggin’ us to lift it after we hose your candy ass #1 seeded bunch of wussy stone-handed mamas boys. GO VT!! GO CATS!!! BLAKELY IS THE FREAKIN" MAN!!!
So put that in your pipe and smoke it, cause you sure aren’t gonna be smokin’ the good VT grown any time soon.
by Gonna Own You Twice Bitches... on Mar 15, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
blaaazzin
ha ha ha this chump from vermant smokin and puffin the crunk. cuse ownin it. we grow it proper.
by MRSyracuseIlikeass on Mar 19, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Second Round
Not to look ahead, but what time would the second round game be on Sunday?
My guess would be between 2pm and 5pm. Since we play in the 2nd session on Friday, we will most likely play in the 2nd game in Buffalo on Sunday.
by nymetsfan1226 on Mar 15, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
There will be no sympathy
if Syracuse loses this game. I don’t care if AO doesn’t play, K-Jo gets injured, and Wes’s eye flares up. We will be the first team to lose to a 16-seed. EVER. Every time a #1 seed is leading by less than 5 points with 30 minutes to go… the Syracuse score will flash up there. We got lucky with Richmond in that a few other #2’s have gone on to lose games. It could be 40 years before another #1 loses.
A quick anecdote
My freshman year of college in Boston I meta girl who was a fellow CNY’er. In a city filled with Yah-Dudes and Daddy’s-Credit-Card girls, it was always refreshing to meet someone with a common upbringing. We shared some mutual friends (mostly girls I was trying to spread my baby batter to) but didn’t really hang out that often.
I ran into her somewhere near the end of my sophmore year, fresh off the loss to Vermont. She casually mentioned she wasn’t too upset about it because her cousin happened to be none other than Taylor Coppenrath.
What ensued could never have been broadcast on cable television. I went on probably a three minute tirade questioning Coppenrath’s sexuality, his masturbation habits, his taste and love for phallic shaped fruits and vegetables, his grab-assing post-game shower rountine… you name it.
Needless to say she never spoke to me again. I’m not sure if there is a moral to this story other than the fact that I may or may not be a true gentleman of Syracuse Basketball.
Oh, and I hope we make Vermont sorry they ever stepped into the gym on Friday.
by NotBrentAxe on Mar 15, 2010 11:42 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You did a noble thing
..For Coppenrath’s devious affair with various fruits and vegetables is well documented. Its not rude if its stating the facts.
You sir,
Make me proud and are indeed a true gentleman.
by Doc Gross's Phones on Mar 15, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I also remember not wanting to pick against UVM in 2005.
I watched a lot of the Coppenrath & Sorrentine Show and vowed to pick them to upset anyone in the first round. Except Syracuse.
SU overlooked them in ‘05. They won’t make that mistake again.
Same thing
I had told a couple freinds that I was going to take UVM to the Sweet 16 and then they go SU in the draw. I really hated that game.
The Hoyas shuffled off with their twin cocktails of discontent - Dana O'neil 2/18/10
Everyone who's hating on UVM - read this appeal
#BeatVermont has to beat Justin Beiber as a trending topic on the twitter machine.
VMT Blog?
Is there a Vermont blog we can talk trash to? Or are they all too busy getting high and playing World of Warcraft to realize that there is a major sporting event about to happen this week?
http://thevermonster.tumblr.com/
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by Sean Keeley on Mar 15, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice
FYI that address works if you put it into your browser but if you click it, it’s linked to this page again
Thta's just Sean getting his clicks
The man’s gotta eat!
"Size matters. At least in basketball." - James Arthur Boeheim
by Bernie Fine is the Man on Mar 15, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
these catamaniacs are insane
looks like this is their inbreeding ground:
by MRSyracuseIlikeass on Mar 19, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
My vision for this game...
Remember what Cuse did to Maine earlier in the season?
It was 60-12 at halftime. Then they let up in the second half and the game ended 101-55. Yeah, I want them to do the first half twice. Anything less than 120-24 is going to be a disappointment.
Also, I want the halftime show to be a Gerry McNamara vs. Tom Brennan boxing match.
by DMF on Mar 15, 2010 12:10 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I concur - REVENGE is necessary!
In 05 I was a newlywed, and my wife had learned my love of the Orangemen through watching the 03 championship. So, March 05 rolls around, we’re sitting on the couch, and she’s there rooting for VT! The nerve!!
After the loss she tried to “console” me by saying “but you should feel happy for them because they were the underdog”. F that!
I don’t want anything less than complete destruction of the team that lives in my hometown. I want them to know how it fees to stick your hand in a hornet’s nest. I want sad faces on everyone wearing green and gold. I want them to wish they didn’t make the NCAAs. I want REVENGE!!!!!!!!
by TheOrangeVermonter on Mar 15, 2010 12:29 PM EDT reply actions
why was she cheering for Vermont in the first place?
she’s excused if she went there but if it’s just ‘cause she’s from Vermont and not a big college bball fan then it’s your fault for not molding her to cheer for the proper team starting in ’05.
Before the selection
I came across a story that a Vermont players mom just died of cancer, and I was hoping they would match up with Georgetown so that I could root for them.
Also, we know Kris Joseph’s brother is on the team, and he wanted him to do well. I figured, whatever, it will give us company if Vermont beats someone else.
Of course, my reaction to seeing the pick was online and I typed…
Syracuse in Buffalo vs…
AHHHHHHHHH
I couldn’t believe my eyes…
And quite frankly, I wish we didn’t have to play them. If anyone is going to be the first to lose to a 16, it will be the team that is without a player that has already lost to LeMoyne…
Richmond loss was far, FAR worse
first 2 seed to lose opening round to a 15 seed ever. Moten, after having a spectacular year, getting brought to tears.
That loss had SU perennially labeled as a choking team. Fuck, until ’03 the overall opinion of SU and Boehiem was nothing but chokers, blowing 1st round games, easy to be upset.
As bad as 05 was, it was nothing compared to the fucking Spiders. Not even close.
Go Orange(men)!
Moten
I know I’m getting old, but wasn’t his freshman year ’91?
Institutional memory: ‘91 team wins BET, beats Princeton in Rd 1, lose to UMass (in Worcester) in rd 2.
’92 on probation for lax violations, but make the finals in the BET to lose to Seton Hall’s Terry Dehere by 30.
‘93 (I can’t remember BET) Beat Hawaii in Rd 1, Cal (with Jason Kidd) loses to Wisconsin-Green Bay, so we beat them in Rd 2 (in Odgen Utah) Then lose to Mizzou in OT (Autry scores 33 in the second have, including a bucket from his knees that was waived off) in LA.
‘94 (Again, can’t remember BET, but can you see where this is going?) Beat Southern Illinois in round 1, then lose to Arkansas in Rd two in OT (f$%k Corliss Williamson) after Moten calls timeout with none left. Lucious Jackson’s last second game winning three goes in and out with no time left.
I graduate, and Wallace takes the team to the Finals against Kentucky.
Ala Simmons, I will now go light myself on fire.
by imisseditnews on Mar 15, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe it was his freshman year
wasn’t sure though…he had an AWESOME freshman year
Go Orange(men)!
I want to beat Vermont by such a large margin...
…that they consider folding the program right after the game, vowing to never again take the court after such a brutal ass-beating by the Orangemen. We can’t beat these goddamned hippies badly enough.
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
by kotite4ever on Mar 15, 2010 12:49 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
AKA
The exact thing they did with their football program
F you, long-hairs!
"Size matters. At least in basketball." - James Arthur Boeheim
by Bernie Fine is the Man on Mar 15, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed, when they show highlights on ESPN and CBS I want this to be the disclaimer they play before airing it again
http://wavcentral.com/cgi-bin/log/log.cgi?id=1203&sound=/sounds/movies/trading/tradpl23.mp3
Heck, I hope that even my DVR has to be recalled just so they can add the disclaimer before I watch it over and over again.
what you may not know about the UVM game of '05
Uconn had played in the morning session at the Worcester Centrum now the DCU Center. So considering Connecticut’s proximity to worcester, ma walking out of that game because no way was I staying to watch michigan state take on old dominion after a loss like that was tantamount to running the gauntlet a miserable experience. Not to mention we students were almost removed from the arena for refusing to sit down and eventually were forced to switch seats at half time with the paying customers behind us. That being said. I want to shut out vermont. I hate everything about them and their ridiculous 3 point attempts.
"You a big orange Imma put you in the fridge!" -Stanley Robinson in response to my heckling
20 point victory will suffice
I hope we will by about 20. We need to be conditioned and ready. If we crush them then our starters will be sent to the bench early.
We need the minutes and break out the rust.
Did you see Vermont on SportsCenter Top 10 Plays this morning?
The Media Darling Crusade begins. I am worried sick for Friday.
Side note: when was the last time SU played a game where its opponent missed its first three? Seems like ages. We can’t get down—not even by one point, for any part of the game. Place foot on throat. Apply pressure.
Buffalo Regional has been sold out since Wednesday (!) and I can only hope throngs of Cuse fans will prevent any building of momentum by Vermont.
...it's the most bullshit thing I've seen in thirty years.
got my tix a couple weeks ago
And if I only get to see 1 SU game like I did at MSG, I may have to go drink bleach afterward.
Syracuse players have a lot of length.
Dont know why I thought we did
changing
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We're gonna roll 'em, folks
Be cool, fellow ‘Cuse fans. Taylor Coppenrath, T.J. Sorrentine and the insufferable fuck known as Tom Brennan are not walking through that door. We’re gonna bust their asses like we should have in ‘05. A 20-point win will be good for me. I mean, I was sorry about that guy who’s mom died earlier in the week and I thought dude that put down that ill dunk on BU during the Amer. East title game was nice. But right now, when I see SU vs. UVM, I just want scorched earth. I want UVM’s campus to be the epicenter of sadness by Friday night.
We shouldn’t look ahead, but we’re gonna win this game. I was confident when I saw Boeheim end his press conference by saying “we’ll be ready to play.”
Let’s Go Orange! Let’s kill the Catamounts!
Night before my wedding
I watched that game the night before I got married. In the bar there was some guy who used to play for Vermont…and my cousin who hates Syracuse. This had better be payback because that sucked.
Do you guys remember?
How badly the Orange got destroyed by Vermont in ’05? Geez there was so much hype surrounding the team and we our team of uneducated ballers was outplayed by a school that graduates 99% of it its athletes. How is that possible??
Personally im afraid that UVM will outsmart us on the court this year. Blakely can play with anyone and Fjeld will be playing his heart out.
I mean we lost to DII Le Moyne this year. First #1 seed to lose comes this week.
by SyracuseHomeboi on Mar 15, 2010 10:00 PM EDT reply actions
hahaha
I love how you say “us” when you’re clearly just a troll.
Syracuse players have a lot of length.
Love it!
Thanks, “SyracuseHomeboi”. I always find it amusing when someone tries to insult the intelligence of others while writing a message riddled with mangled syntax and incorrect punctuation. That was hysterical! Keep them coming!
Haha
I was unaware that leaving out a comma and maybe an apostrophe, while posting on a Blog site nonetheless, was cause for uproar. You blatantly attack me in order to deny the fact that we were ousted by the University of Vermont in 2005. Oh and “Keep them coming!” should not have a capital “K” because keep them coming is a fragment. Damn you are a moron.
by SyracuseHomeboi on Mar 15, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
“Keep them coming” is a command sentence dumb ass. Especially since the punctuation mark called an exclamation point followed the preceding word.
by nymetsfan1226 on Mar 16, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL!
Is that “K” the start of a new thought appearing after an exclamation point? And you don’t believe it should be capitalized? What a refreshing and original idea!
I am absolutely doubled over with laughter that you left out a comma in the same sentence in which you impugned my intelligence (by engaging in juvenile name-calling). This is great stuff! I can’t stop laughing.
Happy trolling!
P.S. You might want to look up the definition of “uproar”.
UVM Alum but Syracuse fan wants an Orange win
I graduated from UVM, covered the Men’s Basketball when I was a reporter for the school newspaper in the late 90’s. But when I moved to Syracuse in 1999, I became a hard-core fan of the Orange. My wife and I lived in Vermont for 1 1/2 years between 2004-2006, and I had to endure rooting for Cuse while living in Vermont in 2005. All of my friends are Vermont fans or alumni. I predicted that the Orange would crush UVM…I had my humble pie and it was awful. Now, I can’t wait for this Syracuse team to pummel UVM. The NCAA Committee hates Boeheim and wants to see Syracuse be the first #1 seed to lose, but that’s not going to happen because SU is going to dominate the Cats all night long. Let’s Go Orange!!!
Scared much Syracuse fans?
All this trash talk just leads me to think one thing. You’re scared. And you should be.
by Geoffrey Stuart Calver on Mar 16, 2010 7:06 AM EDT reply actions
Ahh UVM trolls
Hopefully they’re more entertaining and coherent than some of the Georgetown and UConn folks we’ve had visit. So far all we’ve gotten is an (incorrect) grammar lesson. You can do better.
by Trapped_In_ACC_Hell on Mar 16, 2010 9:45 AM EDT reply actions
Haha
I’m receiving grammar lessons from a New Yorker? That is irony at its finest. Maybe if you were more concerned with your team rather than flaming via English lectures, then Syracuse wouldn’t be filled with so many bandwagon fans. It’s a SPORTS BLOG. I cud tipe like dis if i wunded too. Which is probably how you typed before you revised the entire paragraph on Word.
by SyracuseHomeboi on Mar 16, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Crying 101
It always amazes me how often the reason for a Syracuse loss is the refs…you all must be enrolled in Crying 101. The reason for the 2005 loss to UVM was Boehiem. He pressed an undermanned team once…it caused them problems but he decided to take it off. Had the kept it on the Orange would have won. Hopefully he will do something foolish again.
Vermanters are funny karachters
listen up all you honkeys in the cuse we dont take kindly to funny biznass. we were embassrred in 05 and will not be aggin.
i was reading the vermant blog and laffing my a$$ off. these kids are nuts. cute but nuts (no homo).
http://www.vtsportsnetwork.com/index.php?option=com_fireboard&func=view&catid=1&id=15509#15509
ha ha ha shut vermont down shuld be remix
by MRSyracuseIlikeass on Mar 19, 2010 12:13 AM EDT reply actions
blahhhhhhhhhhhhhhzin in 'lo
im drsankin tonite for prep tommrw. gunna stomp on the cows from vermant in buff
by MRSyracuseIlikeass on Mar 19, 2010 12:14 AM EDT reply actions















